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[Zakalwe]

in my experience even in the uk people generally tip in 3 places - restaurants, taxis and barbers.

Taxis? I've see. That maybe once or twice in my 35 years in the UK. I would consider it if they were particularly great (like helping with bags, etc...), but never by default.

Barbers if they do a good job (many don't actually listen to what you ask for).

Retardants always, unless they do a bad job.

 

[Cocaloch]

I don't understand why Americans can't see that tipping is scam created by the rich so they can get away with not paying people a proper wage.

They do, but they also realize not tipping in the current system hurts the poor not the rich. I don't understand wbt people can't see that.

 

[CloudWolf]

that is weird to read, for me at least.
Cash is still normal stuff here in Italy, since bars and pubs don't take credit cards.

Must be a Dutch thing then, aside from a few pubs here and there, I can pay pretty much everything with just my bank card.

 

[sirap]

Taxis? I've see. That maybe once or twice in my 35 years in the UK. I would consider it if they were particularly great (like helping with bags, etc...), but never by default.

Barbers if they do a good job (many don't actually listen to what you ask for).

Retardants always, unless they do a bad job.

Go home Zakalwe, you're drunk lol

 

[meijiko]

I hate the tipping culture as much as the next person, but you don't get rid of it by stiffing the people who rely on it. All you're doing is making someone miserable, and I don't see how people are okay with doing that on a regular basis.

 

[TurtleSnatcher]

Barbers today pay chair fees to the place they are working or the owner of the place. It's essentially renting their spot in the place. Big chains do this as well... . Sports Clips, Floyds etc..

Tipping is what they rely on to pay through those..

 

[StayDead]

They do, but they also realize not tipping in the current system hurts the poor not the rich. I don't understand wbt people can't see that.

The problem is it's a double edged sword. As long as people keep tipping nothing will change, but if you stop tipping then people suffer. American tipping culture is so awful. Who let them get away with it in the first place? People should be paid a proper wage and tips should be extra if they've done a good job, not mandatory because if not they can't feed themselves.

 

[Subpar Scrub]

You're going to regret this when obligatory tipping becomes the norm in your country.

Seeing as waiters earn $14-$22 per hour, I don't think they rely on tips as much. I usually tip delivery drivers if my order is close to a $5 increment too, but I don't make it a must. My barber, on the other hand, owns his own establishment and is fantastic. Always charges me $12 instead of $20 because my cut is simple AF, so I always like to tip.

I'm also aware you're joking about OP, but figured I'd clarify

http://www.payscale.com/research/AU/Job=Barber/Hourly_Rate

Yeah so from now on don't tip

My dude runs his business solo. Slow days he sometimes gets like 4-5 cuts, because there's a chain barbershop across the street. He's always fantastic, and the only guy in my area who still primarily uses straight razors. Usually his cuts take 30 minutes because he's so meticulous.

Also note that I make $20 p/h retail, and I'm on the lower end of average retail salaries. Australians earn more because we're taxed to oblivion and our dollar isn't amazing.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I have a no-tip policy for hair cutters because I don't want to enable tips becoming an obligatory thing for the hair industry, like restaurants.

1) It has always been one.

2) You sound like a terrible person.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Place I get my hair done at doesn't accept tips. But it's more a salon than a barber so maybe that's different. It comes with a head/neck/shoulder/hand massage, shoe shine, and other perks.

Visits cost like $50-150 though depending if I'm just getting a cut or whole style. Worth it.

 

[Kieli]

Hmm didnt know that. Good thing my barber owns her establishment.

Still. I wonder what prices are like in the US. In Canada the average price seems to be >$20. Even at shitty supercuts its gonna be a good $17. For 5-15 minutes thats pretty damn generous.

Haircuts for girls are like $50 to $100.

It's madness!

 

[Fudgepuppy]

Being Non-American, I just can't fathom the concept of being shamed for paying the price that was advertised.

It sucks that you're only screwing over the little man when resisting in the hopes of in the long run, creating industries where people have a fair wage.

 

[Zakalwe]

Go home Zakalwe, you're drunk lol

It's 8am and I'm lying in bed. The whiskey was the closest thing I could find.

 

[How About No]

The problem is it's a double edged sword. As long as people keep tipping nothing will change, but if you stop tipping then people suffer. American tipping culture is so awful. Who let them get away with it in the first place? People should be paid a proper wage and tips should be extra if they've done a good job, not mandatory because if not they can't feed themselves.

Advocate for worker's rights and fair wages. Hope for change. And good fucking luck cuz we're gonna be waiting a while.

 

[Transhuman]

My dude runs his business solo. Slow days he sometimes gets like 4-5 cuts, because there's a chain barbershop across the street. He's always fantastic, and the only guy in my area who still primarily uses straight razors. Usually his cuts take 30 minutes because he's so meticulous.

Maybe he should charge more. Or move. It's not your fault hos business is failing.

 

[Ratrat]

In America its cool to give shitty service if your customer is rude or doesn't tip.
This is just baffling.

 

[Sky Chief]

Tips for people who cut hair ARE obligatory

 

[Johnny Cage]

Literally couldn't imagine tipping a barber here. Where does tipping stop? What's the point of setting a price if you just always expect more after the fact?

 

[The Chosen One]

"Pressing NO TIP" ???

I guess I'm used to going to a black/mexican barber shop but pushing buttons or swiping a credit card to pay for a hair-cut sounds weird.

Where I come from, you give the barber cash+tip and a bro-handshake. If you fail to do any of those three then it'll be your ass on the street.

 

[Fat4all]

always tip your barber

always tip your bartender

tip them twice if they can do both well

 

[toxicgonzo]

The OP next time he gets a haircut

 

[Enco]

1) It has always been one.

2) You sound like a terrible person.

Lmao.

No tipping = terrible person?

Fuk outta here with that shit. Tipping at restaurants is already annoying enough. Especially as it's expected. Tipping should never be expected as the norm. It should be an 'extra' for good service. What bullshit this shaming is.

1. You pay for service (set by business at reasonable price)
2. You get that service
3. You shouldn't be fucking shamed into paying even more. Restaurants have slightly more reason but lmao at food trucks and hairdressers. Just a sneaky way to make more money without upping the price.

 

[scotcheggz]

Okay so I'm a hairdresser, not a Barber. I work in a salon and do like 90% women. I'm also in the UK. but, here's my thoughts.

Firstly tips are already huge in the industry dude. However, deciding whether the tip is kinda 'necessary' or something you should feel guilty about not doing is a bit tricky for a client in my opinion.. most hair stylists rent the chair or work on commission and depending on the level and type of salon the tips can either be a massive deal or not really a concern. I'd wager that barbers being so competitive and setting usually lower prices than salons, the tips are a big deal to a lot, but even that's not totally true with the rise of the upmarket Barber Shop in the past 10 years. There's a huge disparity between min/max wages in hair styling. On one hand you've got low earners that are typically recently qualified, on the next you've got people pulling in £50-60k+ a year without breaking a sweat.

If your Barber is working in a decent place I think they won't really care about tips. But you'll also probably be paying more for the cut anyway. I shouldn't generalise but.. The stylists working in upmarket places often won't care about tips, those places will give them opportunities outside the shop in fashion and editorial work which is probably the whole reason they are there and they'll also be earning a decent wedge without tips. That's not to say there isn't talent or passion in the £10 shop, but in general I think you'll find a different approach in those places, where it's much more about just cutting hair as a job for a lot of people. The whole thing is basic in the sense its no fuss service and a good standard cut, but tips are often integral to their income as there is no hourly wage and prices are low to compete. After that its all about volume and the tips add up.

Having said all that, the misconception that hair stylists don't earn much money is severely out dated in our shiny, modern service based culture. Honestly Ive felt guilty at times to recieve a tip.

Anyway, do what you want about tips, I'd give everyone exactly the same service and level of professionalism regardless and if you suspect that they wouldn't be doing the same, then why are you trusting this person with your hair in the first place?

 

[EVOL 100%]

Tipping sounds like a horrible practice, but you're not helping anything by simply not paying somebody who relies on tipping to get by.

Also, how many barbershops can afford the inevitable decrease in sales when they raise prices when the majority of barbershops are going to maintain the current system?

Tipping culture just seems too engrained in American culture to make any substantial changes to it or removing it altogether.

 

[Sky Chief]

Lmao.

No tipping = terrible person?

Fuk outta here with that shit. Tipping at restaurants is already annoying enough. Especially as it's expected. Tipping should never be expected as the norm. It should be an 'extra' for good service. What bullshit this shaming is.

1. You pay for service (set by business at reasonable price)
2. You get that service
3. You shouldn't be fucking shamed into paying even more. Restaurants have slightly more reason but lmao at food trucks and hairdressers. Just a sneaky way to make more money without upping the price.

But we live in a reality where tipping IS expected as the norm so not doing it is wrong

 

[Laughing Banana]

Wow, I actually don't know that it's "mandatory" to tip your barber if you are having a haircut in the US.

Mannn, I live in a country much much poorer economically than the US and we ain't having that kind of shit here, just set prices that you pay and that's it, and yes, even for regular barbers, you know, the friendly ones that chats with you and do your hair good.

For me, that is such an utterly bizarre thing to hear. You're really weird sometimes, US.

 

[Johnny Cage]

always tip your bartender

Why? For pulling a lever to make a pint or using a bottle opener?

 

[Costa Kid]

As a college student in Europe, I would only ever tip a very small amount in a circumstance where service was amazing. For example I was in Madrid two months ago, and we got free bread throughout the mea andl three free alcoholic beverages at the end. On top of that the waiters were friendly and the service was very accommodative so we all put a small tip.

I cannot believe some people (are they joking?) are calling the OP a horrible person. If I walk into a shop, I pay the price advertised. If I walk into a barber, I pay the price advertised. If I fly somewhere I pay for the price of the ticket. What is the whole deal with tips? I simple don't understand.

Reading this thread puts me off even a short term visit to the USA.

 

[plidex]

I'm from South America and I always tip my barbers.

I have wondered if other people do it, the barbers don't stand beside me like waiting for a tip, they start cleaning and after paying to the cashier I go back and tip them.

I go to a chain barber, I guess that's how it's called, it's a guy who owns more than one barbershop and all the barbers are hired employees.

It's pretty expensive too, it costs like $15 - $17, which is expensive for my country, I have female friends who would think I'm crazy if they knew I pay more than them.

I've been going there for around 10 years, going to the barber is not a good experience for me.

I have anxiety so there's always the problem of talking / not talking, thinking that I may look like I'm mad and I'm not liking the haircut, I still don't know what to say when they ask me how I want them to cut it, but they always end up cutting it pretty well. They always ask me if I want them to put hair wax after finishing and I say yes just because I think it's what they think is best, but I'm sure they can tell I don't use it on my own.

New 2017 resolution!

 

[MindCollizion]

You shouldn't feel shame. Nobody should expect anything which is not mandatory from anybody else. If you are close to your barber, just continue going back to him. That alone proves you enjoy his service. If you want to tip him then you do so.

 

[tolkir]

Tips for people who cut hair ARE obligatory

And why is there a 'No Tip' button?

Seriously, I don't have idea. Where I live, we don't have tip culture.

 

[How About No]

As a college student in Europe

I cannot believe some people (are they joking?) are calling the OP a horrible person.

Well there you go

For me restaurants/bars are the only place where I feel tipping is mandatory and I don't even know why. You can practically see how you're being ripped off when you're already very clearly paying good money for the food/drinks.

If tips were eliminated and fair wages enacted the advertised price would go up. And I'd be ok with that

 

[Zojirushi]

This is probably different in the US somehow but I'm definitely on team tipping is for suckers on this one.

I pay for the service/thing and expect the business to include fair wages in the price. Fuck off with any extra payments on top. It's the business' job to pay wages not mine so they can save taxes.

For me restaurants/bars are the only place where I feel tipping is mandatory and I don't even know why. You can practically see how you're being ripped off when you're already very clearly paying good money for the food/drinks.

 

[superdeluxe]

Not verbally. If I'm at a restaurant, I'm aware that I should be tipping due to the part of the receipt that tells me so. If I'm at a barbershop, there's no such indicator. If I've never seen anyone tip a barber and I've never been told that's a thing, how am I expected to do so? I can't read minds. I'm not saying I'm against paying tips, I'm just saying I seriously wasn't aware this was expected.

Leave a piece of paper or a cup up or something that says "tips appreciated!".


Again, thankfully it's a non issue because I'm now living in a country who's culture considers tipping to be insulting.

The receipt has a tip line, now many places are going to those Square reader tablets where there is a tip option

 

[Melchettsmoustache]

There's plenty about the US tipping setup that I don't agree with however I don't think I've ever not tipped my barber.

 

[HolySheep]

peope tip their hairdresser in US? wow... What does a haircut at a decent place usually cost?

 

[superdeluxe]

Just tip a dollar. What's the big deal

This is a barber, not a barista

 

[No Love]

OP is a cheap butthole.

 

[Symphonia]

Tip culture is fucking stupid. I've paid you for your service, why should I pay you more?

 

[GrizzleBoy]

Tip culture is fucking stupid. I've paid you for your service, why should I pay you more?

This.

If you want x amount of money for your services, fuckng ask for that.....why advertise lower, but expect more??

 

[neorej]

always tip your barber

always tip your bartender

tip them twice if they can do both well

Always tip everyone, just to be sure. If someone let's you through the door first, tip 'em. Girl says hi? Tip. Random guy in videogamestore recommends you a game, tip him. If your mom comes to visit, tip her. After you boned someone, tip him/her/them.

 

[dc89]

The tipping culture in the US in particular always fascinates me, but I guess it's just how it is.
I tip the girl who does my hair once or twice a year tops, usually around Christmas and new year.

If she wants to charge me more not a problem, I'd pay it. I'm in Brexitland btw.

 

[sinkfla87]

Tips should never be mandatory. If you go somewhere for a service and the person excels at what they do, then feel free to tip. Or if you don't feel comfortable, then don't. I don't really understand the big fuss about tipping and the posts where people are calling people who tip suckers lol. You have every right to not want to tip, just as much as someone who relies on tips to pay their rent to think of you as a cheapskate asshat. Not tipping on the principle that these people SHOULD be getting paid more is a flimsy cover, pretending that you're standing up to the system and it has nothing to do with wanting to keep your five bucks. Of course these people should make more but in America, greedy corporations and employers refuse to have anything extra taken from their pockets and have the legal power of instituting a casino like atmosphere where the house always wins. Not giving your Barber 5 bucks isn't going to create a revolution where workers will have more rights, it just means they will make the pocket change their employers call a livable wage.

 

[HardRojo]

I remember my first few days in the US, I had no idea tipping delivery guys was a thing and it was always awkward when they'd just stand there till I remembered I had to tip. I'm pretty sure that cute waitress from an Italian restaurant in Connecticut thought I was an asshole because I didn't tip (I forgot) after acting all cute and trying to speak some Spanish when she realized that was my native language. She even wrote a small note on the receipt lol, I felt bad after I realized what I had (not) done.

 

[scotcheggz]

After you boned someone, tip him/her/them.

Before or after clapping?

 

[Brinbe]

Tide always turns in these threads when it's late in NA and Euro-GAF is awake lol.

But seriously, toss in a few bucks man. That's not hurting anyone. I don't think people really understand the shitty wages these servers/barbers/etc make. I understand you don't want to perpetuate that, but not tipping your barber isn't gonna change that. Of all the people you don't want to upset/fuck with, the person who regularly takes damn good care of your hair should be one of them.

 

[Derwind]

I usually tip my barber at least 10%.

I tip in most situations.

...

Can we tip GAF yet?

 

[iPaul93]

This thread made me cringe.How can you not tip your barber if you're a regular?

 

[Mr.Shrugglesツ]

i stopped tipping barbers when i found out they sell the cut hair on the black market

 

[Numb]

i stopped tipping barbers when i found out they sell the cut hair on the black market

Bruh
What barbers are you going to?