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[Pachterballs]

Well not a doctor I would have trusted. They were all bagging and tagging her ass for cryo. She had to escape and take care of it herself or she would have been floating in a test tube eventually.

BTW my favorite scene looking back was when the two lost guys got attacked by the slither hugger. The guy has his arm constricted and it just kept getting worse by the second. I thought that they did that scene very well.

death scenes were indeed great. The extremely quick way it ended them both was shocking... to a degree.

penis in mouth for both SJ + other dude was somewhat amusing visual imagery though. Both times that it happened; unlike the facehugger where you don't see it as much - both times in prometheus; its a big penis like thing in their mouths. Kind of amusing to watch. Just LOL

 

[agrajag]

Why do you need a doctor when David can attain knowledge of any medical procedure and has more precision than the world's best surgeons? Why did the crew need any specialists when they had David, srsly.

 

[bangai-o]

Why do you need a doctor when David can attain knowledge of any medical procedure and has more precision than the world's best surgeons? Why did the crew need any specialists when they had David, srsly.

why didnt Caine do everything in Alien? why didnt Bishop do everything in Aliens?

 

[agrajag]

why didnt Caine do everything in Alien? why didnt Bishop do everything in Aliens?

I don't know, because that's how they wrote the script? You tell me. Ash was the android in Alien, btw

 

[oktarb]

Why do you need a doctor when David can attain knowledge of any medical procedure and has more precision than the world's best surgeons? Why did the crew need any specialists when they had David, srsly.

The age old human element. Android still run off of procedures and are terrible at making judgement calls. For example we've all heard stories of the guy on the table that flat lines. Everyone slumps but the one doctor continues to shock, chest thump and resuscitation. Bam! beep beep and the guys back. In concept an android wouldn't show they human determination to not give up.

Additionally its been established in all the movies that not everyone is OK with androids. Repeatidly actually - its a common theme. Some people don't trust them. So I think insisting on human doctors would be a very normal thing.

 

[universalmind]

Why do you need a doctor when David can attain knowledge of any medical procedure and has more precision than the world's best surgeons? Why did the crew need any specialists when they had David, srsly.

Instinct, man. But also so they can die.

 

[agrajag]

The age old human element. Android still run off of procedures and are terrible at making judgement calls. For example we've all heard stories of the guy on the table that flat lines. Everyone slumps but the one doctor continues to shock, chest thump and resuscitation. Bam! beep beep and the guys back. In concept an android wouldn't show they human determination to not give up.

IMO that, can easily be programmed into his algorithms or whatever, just like his love for Lawrence of Arabia.

Additionally its been established in all the movies that not everyone is OK with androids. Repeatidly actually - its a common theme. Some people don't trust them. So I think insisting on human doctors would be a very normal thing.

Well, they trusted him to save Shaw and Holloway's life, heh.

 

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

why didnt Caine do everything in Alien? why didnt Bishop do everything in Aliens?

...you do know why, don't you?

 

[ResidentDante]

Btw people saying they walked out confused... I really wasnt. I walked out really happy with the movie and I loved that we got this movie. I really enjoyed it and even after I read about the plot holes, I still really like it when I watched it the 2nd time.


BLURAY STAT!!!!

Agree completely. Some of the complaining here is going on waaaay too small details.

 

[oktarb]

Well, they trusted him to save Shaw and Holloway's life, heh.

Well in a crisis we tend to shed our biases but that's a big difference from putting together a crew. At some point there were all selected to go on the 2-3 year mission. Having a well rounded human team seems like the only way to go.

Commercial and combat planes, can today, land on auto pilot but we still prefer humans in control. It speaks to a deep seeded human fear of machines taking over. We're programmed (heh) to trust the human element, the soul.

 

[agrajag]

Well in a crisis we tend to shed our biases but that's a big difference from putting together a crew. At some point there were all selected to go on the 2-3 year mission. Having a well rounded human team seems like the only way to go.

Commercial and combat planes, can today, land on auto pilot but we still prefer humans in control. It speaks to a deep seeded human fear of machines taking over. We're programmed (heh) to trust the human element, the soul.

But Weyland assembled the team, and David is like a son to him!

I get what you're saying, I'm just talking shit at this point, since almost every possible detail of the film has been discussed already.

 

[Ashhong]

And that could have not been achieved in a way that wouldn't make large parts of the audience go "whaaa?"
Also, why does that point need foreshadowing?

You are missing the point that Vickers was not supposed to be there, and that that was Weyland's medpod and room.

 

[oktarb]

But Weyland assembled the team, and David is like a son to him!

I get what you're saying, I'm just talking shit at this point, since almost every possible detail of the film has been discussed already.

heh ya. kinda like that comment "When you spend a trillion dollars you can be boss."

 

[Chichikov]

You are missing the point that Vickers was not supposed to be there, and that that was Weyland's medpod and room.

True.
And even after you pointed it out, I'm still missing that point -
I still don't understand why that information was at all important and I still think it was a really bad way of conveying that information to the audience.

Seriously, it's bad screenwriting if you have to explain to people why "it's not as stupid as it first look".

 

[Mondriaan]

It's healthier to think of a script as something someone wrote rather than as a representation of a real world.

So the issue with the "it's only configured for men" line is not that it's a 100% inconceivable or impossible proposition, but that it's sound stupid and more importantly, it has serves no fucking purpose.
It should have said - "this machine does not support c-sect", which would actually make perfect sense and wouldn't make you wonder (once again) if everyone is stupid is that universe.
I mean, the point of that scene is to have an alien caesarean, not to provide commentary on the state of medical equipment in the 21st century, it just need to not sound stupid.
And the script failed at that.

p.s.
No, I don't think this particular line is a huge deal, but man, it's emblematic of the film's problems.

I think this is actually supposed to be political commentary- equating pregnancy with hosting a parasite, not being able to easily have an "abortion" to save one's own life, and having Shaw's health depend on an indifferent, medical machine that was calibrated to extend the life of an old man.

 

[Eppy Thatcher]

Well in a crisis we tend to shed our biases but that's a big difference from putting together a crew. At some point there were all selected to go on the 2-3 year mission. Having a well rounded human team seems like the only way to go.

Commercial and combat planes, can today, land on auto pilot but we still prefer humans in control. It speaks to a deep seeded human fear of machines taking over. We're programmed (heh) to trust the human element, the soul.

One could argue that it's a much darker element of the human mind at work here. That need for there to be someone responsible if everything goes to shite. Not having a person to hold accountable if the plane crashes or the android accidentally takes out your heart instead of your liver you can't really say hey... what the fuck?
You put your trust in a robot and it's your fault. Not someone elses.

 

[Demoncarnotaur]

I need to catch up, but I do not believe this was posted yet:

Shame we got zombie man rather than creepy mutated alien man.

Also, decent look at the Deacon:

I would like the Deacon more if it didn't remind me of the AVP alien so much.

 

[Neuromancer]

Bottom one looks kind of like a grey. Hmm not sure if I like it better or not.

 

[MNC]

I need to catch up, but I do not believe this was posted yet:

Shame we got zombie man rather than creepy mutated alien man.

Also, decent look at the Deacon:

I would like the Deacon more if it didn't remind me of the AVP alien so much.

Where do people get this? I love the behind the scenes. It also shows there's soooo much changed during filming.

Anyway, this is the one with the longer arms, isn't it.

 

[WordAssassin]

Why do people call the Xeno "Deacon"? I'm not familiar with the word and a google search did nothing to clear it up for me.

 

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

Even I could come up with something better then that, no idea why the elegant/albino concept was dropped for something that looks like it came from the AVP arcade game.

 

[noah111]

Even I could come up with something better then that, no idea why the elegant/albino concept was dropped for something that looks like it came from the AVP arcade game.

Source? Pics? Guess i'm not up to date, but that's the first i've heard of 'elegant albino'.

 

[Loofy]

Everyones coming up with different theories on what david said.
More likely it isnt that deep, and he did exactly what weylan told him to say.
"Hey alien guy this old man here seeks immortality. Mind helping us?"

 

[Escape Goat]

He said "Joss Whedon is a visionary. James Cameron is a has-been."

 

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

Source? Pics? Guess i'm not up to date, but that's the first i've heard of 'elegant albino'.

More here
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/gallery/view/5

 

[oktarb]

Everyones coming up with different theories on what david said.
More likely it isnt that deep, and he did exactly what weylan told him to say.
"Hey alien guy this old man here seeks immortality. Mind helping us?"

Ya my take was probably a basic Hi and can you help. The Engineer flipped out because the android was a mockery of life. The exact opposite of what they may have been about - seeding life throughout the universe. At the same time humans have already been deemed doomed so the rest is rage at what they are doing. proving everything they feared. Humans were too dangerous to keep around.

I got zero to back this up but I also had a thought - maybe the human were sentenced to extermination because the Engineer saw that the xeno virus worked way to well with their DNA. Humans make the perfect killing machine templates. Just a thought.

 

[Aselith]

True.
And even after you pointed it out, I'm still missing that point -
I still don't understand why that information was at all important and I still think it was a really bad way of conveying that information to the audience.

Seriously, it's bad screenwriting if you have to explain to people why "it's not as stupid as it first look".

We didn't know he was alive still yet. It was probably meant to tip you off that something wasn't quite right. An observant person might be able to guess the reveal based on that and earlier stuff. It was probably meant as more of a "whoa" moment for repeated viewings.

 

[Alebrije]

I watched it for a third time. The first half is easily as enjoyable as Alien. The 2nd half is hit and miss but man the film looks so good

Fifield getting lost was pretty funny, I guess that whole pyramid structure is like a maze. I really don't know what the point of the proto xeno was at the end, Shaw has left so what is there for him to do? I really cant see such an alien pilot a ship.

I the field of speculation :


Years later Space Jokeys return to the planet , they find the mess and the Proto-xeno. They decide to experiment with it and get an Alien queen so they get a lot fo eggs from it.

They travel with the eggs but something gets wrong and Space Jokeys are infected by the face-hangers and this result on the ship landing/crashing on a planet.

Now you have Alien.....

 

[JB1981]

Why do people call the Xeno "Deacon"? I'm not familiar with the word and a google search did nothing to clear it up for me.

Its called the Deacon in the art book

 

[ThatObviousUser]

I don't even remember any of the 3D in this film, and I saw it in IMAX 3D. Completely forgettable stuff.

 

[Zeliard]

I don't even remember any of the 3D in this film, and I saw it in IMAX 3D. Completely forgettable stuff.

What about the various electronic displays on the ship?

 

[effzee]

I don't even remember any of the 3D in this film, and I saw it in IMAX 3D. Completely forgettable stuff.

Even though I liked the 3D and thought it was really well done, just like most 3D movies I forget its even 3D half way through.

 

[mr2xxx]

Just saw it and I enjoyed it overall but it had its fair share of problems.

Why was everyone in the movie pretty much an asshole? David is an android but damn did everyone need to rub it in his face every time they spoke to him for no reason. David is the biggest asshole of the bunch and no justification is given? Did Weyland order him , was he mad at everyone or did he simply want to watch the world burn? They find an "engineer" and he goes straight into hulk mode, doesn't really fit the whole highly advanced race thing.

What happened in the first scene? Seems like the engineer dude is on earth, takes alien substances, dies and probably sets up human life.

How did the engineers die off? The "head" guy was infected by the virus but the others were running away from something. Most logical thing is the aliens but they seem like they would fight them off and the bodies didn't appeared damaged in any way.

 

[Toski]

I don't even remember any of the 3D in this film, and I saw it in IMAX 3D. Completely forgettable stuff.

Having seen the movie twice (first time 2d, second time IMAX 3d), the 3d version "popped" for me. I didn't expect to be impressed by the 3d in this movie, but after seeing the IMAX I thought it was mostly well done.

 

[linkboy]

Just saw it and I enjoyed it overall but it had its fair share of problems.

Why was everyone in the movie pretty much an asshole? David is an android but damn did everyone need to rub it in his face every time they spoke to him for no reason. David is the biggest asshole of the bunch and no justification is given? Did Weyland order him , was he mad at everyone or did he simply want to watch the world burn? They find an "engineer" and he goes straight into hulk mode, doesn't really fit the whole highly advanced race thing.

What happened in the first scene? Seems like the engineer dude is on earth, takes alien substances, dies and probably sets up human life.

How did the engineers die off? The "head" guy was infected by the virus but the others were running away from something. Most logical thing is the aliens but they seem like they would fight them off and the bodies didn't appeared damaged in any way.

They were assholes because they don't view Androids as being equal to humans. That's a parallel to the Engineers not viewing Humans as being equal to them.

Weyland ordered him to basically do whatever it takes. He infected Holloway to see what the black goo would do to a human.

The Engineer in the first scene drinks the goo and his DNA is the building blocks for life on Earth.

It was Alien related (the end goal of the goo are creatures with Xenomorph abilities). The big pile of Engineers had some with holes in their chests.

 

[jett]

I'm guessing this is the official "let's shit on prometheus thread", right? Because if it isn't it should be.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I'm guessing this is the official "let's shit on prometheus thread", right? Because if it isn't it should be.

 

[Escape Goat]

 

[jett]

such a stupid fucking movie, it's not often that I feel insulted by a film I paid to watch.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

I'm guessing this is the official "let's shit on prometheus thread", right? Because if it isn't it should be.

I would say that 95%, easily, if not more, of the posts in this thread have been negative (or neutral, leaning negative.)

 

[jett]

You know what's funny, 20 minutes into the movie the video went out for a couple of minutes(they fixed it and rewinded a bit). Someone out there didn't want me to watch this. I was warned. I was warned.

Although frankly I knew this was trash from the first five minutes. What an awful scene.

 

[JB1981]

I'm guessing this is the official "let's shit on prometheus thread", right? Because if it isn't it should be.

Told you you'd hate it

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

The trick, ma'jett, is not minding that it sucks.

 

[JB1981]

You know what's funny, 20 minutes into the movie the video went out for a couple of minutes(they fixed it and rewinded a bit). Someone out there didn't want me to watch this. I was warned. I was warned.

Although frankly I knew this was trash from the first five minutes. What an awful scene.

What ? The first five minutes are majestic as hell

 

[jett]

What ? The first five minutes are majestic as hell

Kind of, until the albino space guy comes into the picture and self-disintegrates for the lulz and I get to watch some seriously b-level, tasteless CGI imagery of DNA and other stupid shit.

Seriously, how did the guy behind Alien and Blade Runner make this.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

The trick, ma'jett, is not minding that it sucks.

If nothing else, this film gave us some 3D Lawrence!

 

[jett]

The trick, ma'jett, is not minding that it sucks.

Told you you'd hate it

I guess you were right, although I massively lowered my levels of expectations after finding out that a lot of people hated the thing. It's just, too stupid. It really is. Braindead, idiotic characters and dumb plot that makes absolutely no sense. Ridley must be suffering from the early stages of Alzheimer's to agree to shoot this thing.

 

[Escape Goat]

I would probably do an engineer but it would just destroy any human with snu snu.

might be worth it...

 

[jett]

If nothing else, this film gave us some 3D Lawrence!

Oh my god I forgot to mention this. I swear, that bothered me for a good five minutes. Fucking blasphemy is what that was.

 

[JB1981]

Kind of, until the albino space guy comes into the picture and self-disintegrates for the lulz and I get to watch some seriously b-level, tasteless CGI imagery of DNA and other stupid shit.

Seriously, how did the guy behind Alien and Blade Runner make this.

I honestly don't know what you mean. The CG was fine. What was so bad about the DNA helixes ??