SCULLIBUNDO
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I haven't got time to read your whole post (lol) since I'm on my phone. But I'm not saying it's related to Prometheus. Only that the company knew something was on LV426 and wanted it before sending the Nostromo near the system.
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Nappuccino
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Right... but maharg seemed to suggest that they sent the Nostromo there because of the events of Prometheus. That is what I was responding to since that doesn't make sense to me (unless LV426 is way closer to the other system than I thought). Seems more like a coincidence, of sorts, that Weland-Yutini end up at both SJ incidents.
When this happened I realized the rest of the movie was gonna be dumber than a bag of bricks.
Lindelof really needs to be stopped.
maharg was responding to a post, by you or someone else, who complained that this big ass mission was unknown to the people in Alien. The fact that W/Y sent that Nostromo specifically to investigate alien life shows that the events of Prometheus was known.
This is what he quoted. Obviously the incident is known to at least W/Y as they sent the Nos in with the expectation of finding alien stuff.
Speedymanic
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Um what the hell is that in top right hand corner?
A dismembered claw?
Plus it was a warning anyway, NOT a distress beacon
robertsan21
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So got a question, as the end scene made it obvious that there is a sequal coming, did Ridley ever confirm that he will be directing that one ?
SquiddyCracker
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1. Because the engineer fell face-down onto the Goo, and there's a chance that one of the mutated worms entered him and started mutating him.
2. For some reason, the Goo seems to kill engineers rather than mutate them, I assume that particular engineer had the goo inside of it which immediately started breaking shit down upon revival and probably caused some gas build up in the skull that made it explode.
robertsan21
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How come the crew of prometheus could see the Hologram engineers running and doing their stuff inside the engineers spaceship all the time?
I feel that it was sort of an easy way to show the audience what happend there, felt it could hav ebeen handled in a much better way.
I feel that it was sort of an easy way to show the audience what happend there, felt it could hav ebeen handled in a much better way.
The worms just killed. Ala what happens to the biologist. Fifield Mutated due to falling in the goo.
black goo.
WordAssassin
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Because David turned them on.
If you're asking why they existed in the first place, probably like a Black Box on an airplane.
Elvin Atombender
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Edit2: found this image -
I thought they looked a bit like the suits in the Pixeljunk Shooter games...
Agreed.
I really didn't like that scene.
I get it that you sometime need exposition in a sci-fi film, but man, what information was even conveyed in that scene?
Like, had they found a dead alien with his head on the other side of a door they wouldn't realize what the fuck happened?
Also, the fact that the scientists didn't immediately recognize it to be a hologram made them look stupid.
And this is not even the worst case of unnecessarily convoluted exposition in that film.
No, that would be the "do androids watch other people's electric sheep?" scene.
Of all the ways to tell a character backstory they had to go with "magic technology that we never even mention after that one scene" approach?
And the options are so fucking obvious too, the movie open with a flashback, so you can do that, also (and even better) you made it so the crew doesn't know each other, yeah, it's a bit stupid if you think about it, but you know, they can talk among themselves and we can learn that information.
It had a really cool retro look to it, and the connection to 2001 was done in a clever visual way too, too bad I didn't figured it out on my own...
Escape Goat
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Im watching Aliens and had a question. If there have been colonists terraforming LV244 for 60 years why have they lost contact with them days after Ripley is picked up in hypersleep? Were the aliens just chillin for 60 years before they decided to harvest the colonists? Can somebody give me the timeline of events?
Well let's see.
Aliens takes place 57 years after Alien.
Colonists have been living on LV244 for 20 years, not 60.
Ripley is found
A family of colonists finds the Derelict Ship from the first movie and gets face-hugged.
Havok ensues.
I don't really understand the problem in your first question, as for the second I guess the alien eggs were sort of left undisturbed for 57 years, so they were kind of just chilling there. They didn't really decide anything though, if the Derelict Ship had been left alone nothing would've happened.
Exactly. The supposition is that nothing about the Prometheus mission got back to Earth, which I'm not sure why anyone would think. The Company clearly already knew there were alien lifeforms out there and that they would want samples brought back at any cost, so it seems extremely likely that they either knew or found out what happened in Prometheus. At least in broad strokes.
Again, though, they basically wanted to find the derelict ship. Wasn't there a DC scene that made the whole thing far far more sinister?
I liked how David was shining his flashlight at the holograms.
Eh, Weyland Yutani knew exactly what went down there, that's why the colony was established in the first place.
Yeah, it's possible that no one noticed anything there while building a colony and that the alien outbreak coincide with Ripley defrosting.
The problem is that it feels like a an overly convenient coincidence.
As the old saying goes, you can ask your audience to believe the impossible, just not the improbable.
Now I don't think it's the end of the world, it's a small part of the movie and it kinda needed to set the story in motion, but I think it could've been handled better.
I also felt that sending Ripley back there felt a bit forced as well.
That seems an efficient way to do it.
Why did it take 20 years before something happened there though?
JoshuaJSlone
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It's worth noting that though I don't think this is made clear in the shorter theatrical cut, the family was checking the area due to Ripley's claims, so it's more than coincidence that it happened shortly after she woke.jett said:
Yeah it's a coincidence, movies are filled with them.
*shrugs* I don't know, and I'm not gonna start theorizing about the movie.
Oh I didn't remember that.
*shrugs* I don't know, and I'm not gonna start theorizing about the movie.
Oh I didn't remember that.
I think this movie would have been okay with me if they:
1) Better fleshed out the motivations of David's character.
2) Better fleshed out the motivations of the Engineers.
3) Have Weyland's daughter have some kind of arc and relevance to the story.
Also, never include that last scene. Completely irrelevant and pandering. It felt like that cheesy 80's move where the bad guy would raise one hand out of the water and then it would fade to black.
1) Better fleshed out the motivations of David's character.
2) Better fleshed out the motivations of the Engineers.
3) Have Weyland's daughter have some kind of arc and relevance to the story.
Also, never include that last scene. Completely irrelevant and pandering. It felt like that cheesy 80's move where the bad guy would raise one hand out of the water and then it would fade to black.
It would've been better for sure.
But still, the story is basically ancient aliens meet intelligent design.
I'm not saying you can't polish that turd, but man, it's a challenge, especially in a movie that at least tries to be hard sci-fi.
Couldn't agree more with this. It was so unnecessary.
SquiddyCracker
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The last scene was pure fan service.
Only most fans probably didn't appreciate it.
Only most fans probably didn't appreciate it.
I think it tried to be hard sci-fi for the first hour and then takes a decided turn into becoming a standard horror movie . Which I'm not against, as Event Horizon pulled it off pretty well. But, you have to pay off on the horror end with something new or twisted. Prometheus failed hard.
The amount of steps involved to lead to that scene is ridiculous. It's like a game of 'follow the DNA'.
Alien proved you can be both (though I do agree with you about Event Horizon).
And by the way, the first half of the movie fails miserably as a hard sci-fi as well.
Not as bad as the 2nd half, but that's a pretty low bar.
Nappuccino
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But how do they know what happened in Prometheus, even in broad strokes? For all they know the ship had a malfunction and blew up. I guess that's my confusion with your theory.
This bothered me too. It's a plot convenience
Well, you can only go 'hard sci-fi' so much in a mainstream Hollywood movie. The people that put up the money are not going to go along with it. If you do get away with it, you are not going to be a summer release either. You will get shoved into Fall.
Really, that should be warning sign of any sci-fi movie released from here on out. If it's released in summer, it's going to be dumbed down and borderline unwatchable. If it's released towards the end of year (Solaris, Gattaca come to mind) it has a chance.
I guess A.I. is one of the few exceptions to this rule.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
I wanted to like this move so bad... but it was retarded. 
Beautiful to look at... but so dumb. Do they not have a single biologist or even science-minded person there to explain why the DNA "match" was completely impossible?
I wonder.
I knew things were about to get ugly when the one skeptical guy on the crew asked about overturing 300 years of "Darwinism". Ugh. Red flag #1 no one but creationists really use that word. Then her answer, my eyeballs almost rolled out of my skull.
That shit isn't sci-fi, it's antiscience. Things just got dumber and dumber from there.
Even if you look past the movie being dumb, there was the fact they never really gave any explanation of character motivation... some of the main characters seemed purposeless, lacked an arc, and their actions made no sense at all. I left the film thinking that outside of visuals, it was mindless.
Beautiful to look at... but so dumb. Do they not have a single biologist or even science-minded person there to explain why the DNA "match" was completely impossible?
I wonder.
I knew things were about to get ugly when the one skeptical guy on the crew asked about overturing 300 years of "Darwinism". Ugh. Red flag #1 no one but creationists really use that word. Then her answer, my eyeballs almost rolled out of my skull.
That shit isn't sci-fi, it's antiscience. Things just got dumber and dumber from there.
Even if you look past the movie being dumb, there was the fact they never really gave any explanation of character motivation... some of the main characters seemed purposeless, lacked an arc, and their actions made no sense at all. I left the film thinking that outside of visuals, it was mindless.
I'm talking about in context to other Hollywood movies of it's era.
I'm a physics major, so I see plenty of softness in so called hard sci-fi films (I don't really read sci-fi books).
What I really mean when I say hard sci-fi is that you don't get to use fake science as a magical plot device to resolve shit.
As far of scientific plausibility, Alien is good enough for me, and I don't think you gain much by going the extra mile.
Or in other words, I don't need it to make sense, but I need to not notice that it doesn't make sense.
At least not on first viewing.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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Why does it matter? There's no theory here and I'm not advancing any idea of how they found out. Maybe they went there. Maybe David was communicating back home the whole time. Maybe maybe maybe. It doesn't really matter. WY in Alien was aware of the existence of aliens and the potential for weaponization in them. That much is clear.
JoshuaJSlone
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At the very least they'd know there were suspicions of alien life in an area and the first investigation sent had a mysterious disappearance. Enough to tell a robot passing that way "If you find something, GET IT." Past that it's hard to say; I'm not clear on their level of communications tech, or whether the ship might be automatically sending back daily status updates or something.Nappuccino said:
The frame of the story being somewhat of a fairytale doesn't really make it not hard SF. I think it's valid. There's nothing in the movie that's impossible or really bends established science. It is more advanced science, but there's no reason to believe we won't be able to make fairly lifelike robots in the not-so-distant future. The actual human element of the story is also quite minimal.
Messypandas
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i don't think it is. ripley comes out of hyper sleep and starts raving about the alien and ship. that creepy business guy sends a family to look for the derelict spaceship. thats why the timing is similar. the egs can't do shit if they're not disturbed
Nappuccino
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All I'm saying is that thinking that there are aliens out there and wanting to obtain their samples for research doesn't inherently require them to have any idea about the events of Prometheus.
Yep. This is much better explained in the Directors cut. Although the Hadlee's Hope family getting facehugged scene is pretty naff and you can see why they cut it.
Also made me laugh that the head of the colony in Aliens basically plays the same part as captain of Red Dwarf.
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