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[Chichikov]

The script can't even tie its own loose ends, I think it's best to just think of it as a standalone movie and not try too hard to tie it to the Alien franchise.

I mean, it's not like it adds anything to the other Alien movies, outside general universe backstory, but to me it's as relevant as knowing who won the US presidential election of 2028 in the Alien universe.

 

[Nappuccino]

Another thing that keeps bothering me

So Prometheus had Weyland, founder and owner of the company, on board. Supposedly the trip cost tons, so I am sure it wasn't a hidden secret trip. People, at least at his company, know about it. Not only that but his daughter is on board too. They both die. Yet before Nostromo nothing of this incident is known, investigated, or discovered?

Of course they could address all this if they do Prometheus 2, but considering how Alien begins with no knowledge of previous events, it just seems impossible.

most likely, the company would assume that the mission was a failure, but it would probably take them 2.5 years /at least/ to start to realize that about it.

 

[crazy monkey]

movie needed more alone moment without dialogues and with great music. Engineers were very badly designed characters about on par with avatar blue people. Space jocky should have left the helmet on.

 

[Canuck76]

The script can't even tie its own loose ends, I think it's best to just think of it as a standalone movie and not try too hard to tie it to the Alien franchise.

I mean, it's not like it adds anything to the other Alien movies, outside general universe backstory, but to me it's as relevant as knowing who won the US presidential election of 2028 in the Alien universe.

This is sort of why i wonder what was the point of even making this movie.

 

[maharg]

Another thing that keeps bothering me

So Prometheus had Weyland, founder and owner of the company, on board. Supposedly the trip cost tons, so I am sure it wasn't a hidden secret trip. People, at least at his company, know about it. Not only that but his daughter is on board too. They both die. Yet before Nostromo nothing of this incident is known, investigated, or discovered?

Of course they could address all this if they do Prometheus 2, but considering how Alien begins with no knowledge of previous events, it just seems impossible.

Buh? They almost certainly *did* know what happened. They *sent* the Nostromo to collect a sample of alien life they knew would be there, and they knew it would likely be highly weaponizable. The events of Alien weren't an accident.

 

[WordAssassin]

I think it started out with a point but it got lost under all the rewrites and editing tomfuckery

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[JB1981]

Just watched Alien and the Space Jockey is clearly a non-humanoid alien creature that was fossilized to his seat. It has a huge ribcage and bones .... Big retcon in Prometheus

 

[Nappuccino]

Buh? They almost certainly *did* know what happened. They *sent* the Nostromo to collect a sample of alien life they knew would be there, and they knew it would likely be highly weaponizable. The events of Alien weren't an accident.

But Alien took place on a different planet/moon.

 

[jett]

Just watched Alien and the Space Jockey is clearly a non-humanoid alien creature that was fossilized to his seat. It has a huge ribcage and bones .... Big retcon in Prometheus

There's really no retcon because they're only two Alien movies. And that's how it will be until the end of times.

 

[Freshmaker]

Nobody's talking about the real issue with the film.

Why in the future does everyone elect to wear gauze diapers for underwear?

 

[Halvie]

Nobody's talking about the real issue with the film.

Why in the future does everyone elect to wear gauze diapers for underwear?

if given a choice why would you want to wear any other kind?

 

[mantidor]

Just watched Alien and the Space Jockey is clearly a non-humanoid alien creature that was fossilized to his seat. It has a huge ribcage and bones .... Big retcon in Prometheus

how is it a retcon? they just explained in Prometheus the ribcage/cranium was actually a spacesuit/helmet, the fossilized one in Alien is just another suit/helmet fossilized, I don't see the problem.

 

[Chichikov]

how is it a retcon? they just explained in Prometheus the ribcage/cranium was actually a spacesuit/helmet, the fossilized one in Alien is just another suit/helmet fossilized, I don't see the problem.

The problem is that they turned something that was cool and mysterious into white hulk in an armor.
You didn't need to explain that, it was just some poor alien who got eaten by Alien.
Done.
I don't care about the backstory of the space jockeys' John Hurt, I don't even care about the real John Hurt's backstory.

 

[mantidor]

The problem is that they turned something that was cool and mysterious into white hulk in an armor.
You didn't need to explain that, it was just some poor alien who got eaten by Alien.
Done.
I don't care about the backstory of the space jockeys' John Hurt, I don't even care about the real John Hurt's backstory.

OH thats for sure, I understand the sentiment.

Honestly I did like the backstory, because I watched Alien when I was like 6, everything was just freaky stuff, I didn't even realized the weird alien fossilized was an alien, it was just a weird world full of bone sculptures. Of course I didn't even got the sexual imagery at all.

 

[Tom_Cody]

Just watched Alien and the Space Jockey is clearly a non-humanoid alien creature that was fossilized to his seat. It has a huge ribcage and bones .... Big retcon in Prometheus

?

The other suited engineer bodies at the LV-223 site are "fossilized" as well. That the Space Jockey on LV-436 is "fossilized" simply indicates he died some time in the past, presumably in the same incident that killed the engineers on LV-223.

 

[Ledsen]

The problem is that they turned something that was cool and mysterious into white hulk in an armor.
You didn't need to explain that, it was just some poor alien who got eaten by Alien.
Done.
I don't care about the backstory of the space jockeys' John Hurt, I don't even care about the real John Hurt's backstory.

Yep. The space jockey has always been so amazingly evocative simply because it was a mystery. Imagining what it was and what happened to it based only on the short glimpse of it in the movie is the stuff great sci-fi is made of.

 

[crazy monkey]

The problem is that they turned something that was cool and mysterious into white hulk in an armor.
You didn't need to explain that, it was just some poor alien who got eaten by Alien.
Done.
I don't care about the backstory of the space jockeys' John Hurt, I don't even care about the real John Hurt's backstory.

100% agreed.

 

[Zombie James]

how is it a retcon? they just explained in Prometheus the ribcage/cranium was actually a spacesuit/helmet, the fossilized one in Alien is just another suit/helmet fossilized, I don't see the problem.

A spacesuit/helmet... with teeth...

 

[Maxrunner]

interesting:

 

[mantidor]

A spacesuit/helmet... with teeth...

I honestly don't see teeth. Is giger art anyway, you can spend thousands of words trying to describe it and it still would be unexplainable.

 

[JB1981]

how is it a retcon? they just explained in Prometheus the ribcage/cranium was actually a spacesuit/helmet, the fossilized one in Alien is just another suit/helmet fossilized, I don't see the problem.

Because it's all one big creature. It's not a suit, the exoskeleton is grafted into the seat...

 

[SquiddyCracker]

interesting:

Superior to the zombie.

 

[Maxrunner]

lets see how the long version deals with this...

 

[mantidor]

Because it's all one big creature. It's not a suit, the exoskeleton is grafted into the seat...

The seat fuses with the suit. I don't see how it changes anything. This is very standard in Giger's art, look at this for example (I'm not sure if its NSFW, I think is not);

Is a torso, but it also blends with the background, Giger loves to fuse inorganic and organic stuff, there's a reason a whole collection of his is called "biomechanoids". It makes it even cooler than if it was just a suit, the little scene in Prometheus when the engineer literally "fuses" with his seat is pretty neat.

 

[Chichikov]

Yep. The space jockey has always been so amazingly evocative simply because it was a mystery. Imagining what it was and what happened to it based only on the short glimpse of it in the movie is the stuff great sci-fi is made of.

Yes.
Imagining and speculating is fun.
But you don't go and make a fucking movie about that stuff.

That's what separate movies from fan-fiction.
Well, that's what separate some movies from fan fiction.

 

[JB1981]

The seat fuses with the suit. I don't see how it changes anything. This is very standard in Giger's art, look at this for example (I'm not sure if its NSFW, I think is not);

Is a torso, but it also blends with the background, Giger loves to fuse inorganic and organic stuff, there's a reason a whole collection of his is called "biomechanoids". It makes it even cooler than if it was just a suit, the little scene in Prometheus when the engineer literally "fuses" with his seat is pretty neat.

The suit in Prometheus isn't made up of massive bones

 

[Kurdel]

This has to be he most over analysed movie of the last 10 years.

Ridley Scott should have know people would obsess over every detail of this movie while making it.

 

[mantidor]

The suit in Prometheus isn't made up of massive bones

yes it is, the whole chest part is like that.

It's not an exactly 1:1 replica I know, but I really don't see that as a problem, the one in Alien is old as hell and kind of rotten, so of course it can't be the exact same one.

Now if what you people mean is that you don't want this to be the jockey, and want to disregard Prometheus as a non-canon movie then, well, that's another thing entirely. But there's no retcon.

 

[Zombie James]

yes it is, the whole chest part is like that.

It's not an exactly 1:1 replica I know, but I really don't see that as a problem, the one in Alien is old as hell and kind of rotten, so of course it can't be the exact same one.

The differences go beyond age by the looks of things:

 

[jett]

So, been thinking, was anyone the tiniest bit scared during this movie? Just realized that it completely fails as a thriller.

 

[mantidor]

So, been thinking, was anyone the tiniest bit scared during this movie? Just realized that it completely fails as a thriller.

Yeah that was disappointing.

It did deliver in body horror, the arm breaking made cringe, without being too gory, the cesarean was also pretty disturbing. Those were great now that I think about it, it got in your skin without being overly bloody/sadistic like so much of the torture porn of these days.

 

[ToxicAdam]

I managed to stay spoiler-free until tonight. I'm not really a fan of Alien, just a fan of sci-fi and Ridley Scott.

But wow, what a let down. I kind of figured all the negative reactions on the internet were overblown. That feeling was reinforced after watching that first hour and being wildly entertained. But then it just completely unravels. The drop-off wasn't even a bell curve .. it was a precipitous cliff.

It was worth my time and money .. but that's about as much praise as I can give it.

 

[JB1981]

So, been thinking, was anyone the tiniest bit scared during this movie? Just realized that it completely fails as a thriller.

I thought it was tense but not scary

 

[Dead Man]

I managed to stay spoiler-free until tonight. I'm not really a fan of Alien, just a fan of sci-fi and Ridley Scott.

But wow, what a let down. I kind of figured all the negative reactions on the internet were overblown. That feeling was reinforced after watching that first hour and being wildly entertained. But then it just completely unravels. The drop-off wasn't even a bell curve .. it was a precipitous cliff.

It was worth my time and money .. but that's about as much praise as I can give it.

Yup. Join the milling throng that are also disappointed.

Yeah that was disappointing.

It did deliver in body horror, the arm breaking made cringe, without being too gory, the cesarean was also pretty disturbing. Those were great now that I think about it, it got in your skin without being overly bloody/sadistic like so much of the torture porn of these days.

Yeah, but it had no suspense to it at all.

 

[Erigu]

While we're waiting for the scripts...

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

So, been thinking, was anyone the tiniest bit scared during this movie? Just realized that it completely fails as a thriller.

I was really scared when the music was amping up that Vickers was going to say 'Father'. Then it happened and everybody in the audience reacted badly to it.

 

[mantidor]

While we're waiting for the scripts...

Holy crap LOL

I really didn't want to get into the hate Lindelof bandwagon without knowing his work, but seriously, fuck off Lindelof, if this is how Lost was I'm glad I completely ignored that series.

 

[Salsa]

I was really scared when the music was amping up that Vickers was going to say 'Father'. Then it happened and everybody in the audience reacted badly to it.

so fucking bad. That delivery was terrible, worst part of the movie for me, I cringed.

I loved the suits. They have kind of a retro thing going on while still feeling modern. Visual design of the movie in general was top notch.

 

[Erigu]

if this is how Lost was

Yup.


Also: an archaeological perspective.

 

[DTKT]

While we're waiting for the scripts...

Amazing.

 

[mantidor]

so fucking bad. That delivery was terrible, worst part of the movie for me, I cringed.

oh yeah it was almost Star Wars episode I-III bad, because you know Theron (or Portman) are actually freaking good actresses, it makes it the more sadder that they are wasted in those scenes.

 

[D.Lo]

The problem is that they turned something that was cool and mysterious into white hulk in an armor.
You didn't need to explain that, it was just some poor alien who got eaten by Alien.
Done.
I don't care about the backstory of the space jockeys' John Hurt, I don't even care about the real John Hurt's backstory.

Exactly.

I think it could have been done, but it's like it was forced into this movie.

The differences go beyond age by the looks of things:

It just makes no sense as a suit.

 

[mantidor]

It just makes no sense as a suit.

It makes all sense as a suit.

I don't see how people don't get it, the whole suit/organic stuff makes the most sense for these ships and interstellar travel, it reminds of Homeworld (the game) and how races were "bound" to their ships, and how that made them "unbound", like, technology allows you to directly tap into the fabric of the universe or something, is pretty cool.

Is not just a suit, your own body becomes part of the ship.

 

[zchen]

At this point I just want to see the 20+min of cut footage.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

While we're waiting for the scripts...

"Hey Noomi, just giving you a heads up. The Engineer’s on his way there and he said something about being a huge Rooney Mara fan!"

 

[maharg]

But Alien took place on a different planet/moon.

Yes... so? I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. The person I was replying to said they apparently didn't know/investigate what happened in Prometheus, but they sure as hell knew enough to send the Nostromo to investigate a distress beacon in hopes of finding a WeaponAlien. To me that means they knew something about what went on in Prometheus.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Back to join the party.

 

[Nappuccino]

Yes... so? I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. The person I was replying to said they apparently didn't know/investigate what happened in Prometheus, but they sure as hell knew enough to send the Nostromo to investigate a distress beacon in hopes of finding a WeaponAlien. To me that means they knew something about what went on in Prometheus.

I guess that is just an interesting leap in logic. There are 100's if not 1,000's of reasons for a distress beacon to go off and it makes sense that a company would write in some kinda "good will" clause in their bylaws (who doesn't love good press?) or maybe just because they'd want to salvage or save their own ships because they are so expensive.

I don't mind that idea you're putting forth, but I'd like some of that in context just because there are so many other reasons why they'd want to go look into distress beacons.

Back to join the party.

Looks like a sweet rave lol.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I guess that is just an interesting leap in logic. There are 100's if not 1,000's of reasons for a distress beacon to go off and it makes sense that a company would write in some kinda "good will" clause in their bylaws (who doesn't love good press?) or maybe just because they'd want to salvage or save their own ships because they are so expensive.

I don't mind that idea you're putting forth, but I'd like some of that in context just because there are so many other reasons why they'd want to go look into distress beacons.

You have the fact that the company at the last minute replaced Dallas' regular science officer with somebody he had never worked with before. Then upon Ash confirming the findings, they say that the entire crew is expendable. They had some idea of what they were looking for and needed somebody aboard to be able to do whatever was necessary to bring it back.

 

[Nappuccino]

You have the fact that the company at the last minute replaced Dallas' regular science officer with somebody he had never worked with before. Then upon Ash confirming the findings, they say that the entire crew is expendable. They had some idea of what they were looking for and needed somebody aboard to be able to do whatever was necessary to bring it back.

That's all well and good... but I'm not seeing the direct relation to Prometheus here. At least in the initial post it seems like maharg was suggesting that, because of the events of Prometheus, they sent the Nostromo into a completely different section of the universe to mine something so they could, on return route, catch a distress signal and end up at a completely different planet with similar aliens.

That seems more far fetched than "They knew something was there so they sent an expendable team and an android to get it back." which is all that Ash being replaced/Crew expendable suggests to me. I guess maybe they had suspicions that what happened to the Prometheus crew would happen there? But I'm not sure how or why considering Prometheus never reported on their findings. So I'm not sure what they thought they would find since they never heard back from the crew.

I'm not sure if that makes sense... pretty much I don't think anyone at w/y sent the nostromo there because they lost contact with the ship Prometheus.

Though, what might happen is in Prometheus 2, Shaw gets her answer in regards to why they decided to kill us, grows to agree with the engineers, and sends coordinates of lv426 to earth... though that doesn't make sense since she'd be better off sending them to Prometheus's planet unless it is some how farther away and would take more time.