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[gofreak]

Since there's some recent discussion about David and his motivations, I guess I can throw this in here unspoilered.

The director's commentary, IMO, makes the heavy hint that David is at least partially working to an independent agenda. Not just 'what daddy says'/what the corporation wants.

Has the whole idea about the dual theme of the father killing the children (Engineers/Humans), the child killing the father (David/Humanity) been discussed?

Thinking back I think David was working to a large extent to his own agenda.

 

[JB1981]

Since there's some recent discussion about David and his motivations, I guess I can throw this in here unspoilered.

The director's commentary, IMO, makes the heavy hint that David is at least partially working to an independent agenda. Not just 'what daddy says'/what the corporation wants.

Has the whole idea about the dual theme of the father killing the children (Engineers/Humans), the child killing the father (David/Humanity) been discussed?

Thinking back I think David was working to a large extent to his own agenda.

IIRC there is a scene where David says to Shaw "don't we all want to kill our parents?" or something to that effect.

 

[CadetMahoney]

IIRC there is a scene where David says to Shaw "don't we all want to kill our parents?" or something to that effect.

Yea that was a pretty obvious hint tbh.

 

[Erigu]

The running thing doesn't really bother me because it's a matter of perspective. We see the exact size and everything, we're the observers-- but if you were one of them all you would be able to see is some big gigantic fucking ship about to roll over top of you.
I think rationale would go right out the window, personally. Panic is a bitch.

But don't you think it would have been a good idea to simply not have the ship roll in a straight line like that?
(Or maybe to not kill one of your (supposedly!) main characters in such a silly way in the first place?)

The director's commentary, IMO, makes the heavy hint that David is at least partially working to an independent agenda. Not just 'what daddy says'/what the corporation wants.

That's not-so-subtly implied when he discusses that with Shaw towards the end, but does that really help/add to the movie? Which of David's actions make more sense in that light?

 

[gofreak]

IIRC there is a scene where David says to Shaw "don't we all want to kill our parents?" or something to that effect.

Yeah, it's in that scene in the director's commentary were Scott says 'David hates his father for creating him'.

He then goes on to say something along the lines of hoping people still aren't writing essays about it in 20 years, that all the clues are laid out etc. Which makes me think that his - David's hatred of his father/humanity - is an underlying motivation for a lot of what he does.

I think the taking of the goo back to the ship and his subsequent playing with it...that was perhaps his own experimentation based on his observations of what happened to the engineers. Maybe he was thinking of unleashing this back on earth? Same reason he perhaps wanted to put Shaw in stasis...to keep the little WMD in her safe and sound til they were back at earth.

Also potentially puts another colour on David's communication with the Engineer. Who knows what he actually said before the engineer became enraged.

Just thinking back...but it seems to fit with a lot of things. His help to Shaw at the end too, even.

 

[Kinyou]

The running thing doesn't really bother me because it's a matter of perspective. We see the exact size and everything, we're the observers-- but if you were one of them all you would be able to see is some big gigantic fucking ship about to roll over top of you.

I think rationale would go right out the window, personally. Panic is a bitch.

That's something I could agree on if it was portrayed better. The movie doesn't really show that they're absolutely panicking or anything like that. It actually just shows you how obviously they could have moved just to the side.

When tons and tons of the people who watch that scene think "why aren't they going to the left or right?" then the director has failed.

But don't you think it would have been a good idea to simply not have the ship roll in a straight line like that?
(Or maybe to not kill one of your (supposedly!) main characters in such a silly way in the first place?)

Yes, I was so disappointed that this was Charlize Therones way out. All the time I was hoping that there was some bigger agenda behind her acts (like killing the infected Holloway) but apparently was she just accompanying her father on his last trip. And when he died she just wanted to go home.

 

[brandonh83]

But don't you think it would have been a good idea to simply not have the ship roll in a straight line like that?
(Or maybe to not kill one of your (supposedly!) main characters in such a silly way in the first place?)

Yeah I thought it was a stupid death for her. I'm just saying that the running thing doesn't bother me because it'd be kind of hard to really imagine myself in that position... again we see it from a cinematic standpoint and they're seeing it from on the ground, this gigantic thing about to crush them so I can't really say for sure how I would have reacted in such a situation.

 

[Erigu]

I think the taking of the goo back to the ship and his subsequent playing with it...that was perhaps his own experimentation based on his observations of what happened to the engineers. Maybe he was thinking of unleashing this back on earth?

He had no way of knowing what contaminating a crew member with that goo would do. Never mind why exactly he did that: it was crazy all the same. He was endangering the crew, the ship, and his own existence.

Also potentially puts another colour on David's communication with the Engineer. Who knows what he actually said before the engineer became enraged.

Exactly what he was asked to, actually, according to the guy who translated those lines for the movie.

That's something I could agree on if it was portrayed better. The movie doesn't really show that they're absolutely panicking or anything like that. It actually just shows you how obviously they could have moved just to the side.
When tons and tons of the people who watch that scene think "why aren't they going to the left or right?" then the director has failed.

Yup.

 

[gofreak]

That's not-so-subtly implied when he discusses that with Shaw towards the end, but does that really help/add to the movie? Which of David's actions make more sense in that light?

Bringing the goo back on board covertly after observing its impact on the Engineers. The poisoning of Charlie - the effect, I think, manifested a lot faster than he expected...I think he wanted to infect crew with an eye on that infection spreading back to earth. Putting Shaw in stasis, or wanting to - to bring the infection back to earth rather than having it destroy the mission. I'm not sure these little experiments were Weyland-instructed. The sort-of giddiness when he realises the Engineers were journeying to earth with this cargo. The apparent contradiction in saving Shaw really only serves his own agenda, potentially, in the long run - if he didn't save Shaw he had no way to get off-world himself, with the opportunities that might present later for bringing these wmds back to earth (hello sequel - david vs shaw on an engineer vessel?)

I don't know, I'll have to re-watch the whole thing with this idea in mind to see if it all slots together. I'd like to try and remember what David said to Weyland for example, when he was dying, if there was anything significant there.

 

[Jinroh]

2. What happens to the guys that escape with the truck from the Zombie guy? They just drive off and are never seen again. I assume that the rest of their scenes was cut?

Actually it's because of the stupidly bad editing. It's Shaw with Weyland who are leaving with the truck. One of the mercenaries killed by fifield can be seen later alive next to Weyland when they are all about to leave... why?

Because originally, they left with the truck during the fifield attack, and cruch him in the process. Ridley Scott messed everything up when he moved that part later in the movie, AFTER the fifield attack.

Bad editing. And the movie is full of it.

 

[Erigu]

The poisoning of Charlie - the effect, I think, manifested a lot faster than he expected...

But that's the thing: he had no way of knowing what it would do, nor how quickly.

The apparent contradiction in saving Shaw really only serves his own agenda, potentially, in the long run - if he didn't save Shaw he had no way to get off-world himself

Well, he flat out asks for her help, at the end.

Actually it's because of the stupidly bad editing. It's Shaw with Weyland who are leaving with the truck. One of the mercenaries killed by fifield can be seen later alive next to Weyland when they are all about to leave... why?
Because originally, they left with the truck during the fifield attack, and cruch him in the process. Ridley Scott messed everything up when he moved that part later in the movie, AFTER the fifield attack.

Yeah, that's what I had gathered, too...
Maybe they moved the scene so it would give the crew some kind of an excuse for letting Shaw wander in the ship like that, in that pregnancy sequence?

 

[Zombie James]

Actually it's because of the stupidly bad editing. It's Shaw with Weyland who are leaving with the truck. One of the mercenaries killed by fifield can be seen later alive next to Weyland when they are all about to leave... why?

Because originally, they left with the truck during the fifield attack, and cruch him in the process. Ridley Scott messed everything up when he moved that part later in the movie, AFTER the fifield attack.

Bad editing. And the movie is full of it.

Future medicine.

 

[gofreak]

He had no way of knowing what contaminating a crew member with that goo would do. Never mind why exactly he did that: it was crazy all the same. He was endangering the crew, the ship, and his own existence.

Assuming it was his intention to bring an infection back to earth - and the recovery and use of the goo wasn't Weyland-instructed - it is legitimate to ask why he would infect crew rather than wait until they were back on earth since the latter approach might seem less risky. But maybe he felt the goo might not survive long once 'activated' (which it had become in the pyramid). Or maybe he thought his goals would be more likely achieved if the ship carried infected humans back rather than just the infecting agent - which would be at risk of being spotted by other crew the longer things went on etc. I don't think there was any hint that anyone else in the crew knew about his little 'vase'? Finding it could end his little game, but if a human or humans on board were (longer incubation) carriers, finding the vase alone wouldn't stop his agenda.

Maybe he weighed the risk of there being an insanely short incubation period against the risk of having the goo discovered and decided the latter was a bigger risk. He did seem a bit surprised with what happened to Shaw, how advanced her impregnation was. I can't remember how he reacted around Charlie though, once his infection was becoming apparent...

 

[Kinyou]

Actually it's because of the stupidly bad editing. It's Shaw with Weyland who are leaving with the truck. One of the mercenaries killed by fifield can be seen later alive next to Weyland when they are all about to leave... why?

Because originally, they left with the truck during the fifield attack, and cruch him in the process. Ridley Scott messed everything up when he moved that part later in the movie, AFTER the fifield attack.

Bad editing. And the movie is full of it.

Ahh, that makes sense. Also explains why they just drive off to begin with. Not because they're scared but because protecting Weyland is their top priority.

 

[Jinroh]

Jon Spaights talking about his script, before it was taken over by Damon:

http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/3547/jon-spaights-interview-about-his-original-script

Honestly, I would have much preferred that version of the movie. Most of the stupid and incoherent things featured in prometheus exist because all those alien elements were removed from the movie while trying to stick to the original plot.

For example why and how Shaw gets pregnant, the Alien (that emerged from her) killing people around instead of a mutated fifield, etc.

I think the moment they deceived to can the Aliens is when the script became non-nonsensical and silly. They should have started again from scratch.

 

[Hutch]

So Charlie gets infected because David hands him a glass he first touches with the finger he was observing the sludge with (before realising and changing?), right?

 

[Darknight]

I got a question. Did the worms inside that place with all the vases become those aliens due to the black stuff or no??

And those holograms that you see in the cave area....what where the engineers running from?

 

[Kinyou]

So Charlie gets infected because David hands him a glass he first touches with the finger he was observing the sludge with (before realising and changing?), right?

I think he actually puts some of the black goo into Holloway's drink

 

[gofreak]

I got a question. Did the worms inside that place with all the vases become those aliens due to the black stuff or no??

And those holograms that you see in the cave area....what where the engineers running from?

I think the suggestion is that something went wrong with their black goo and infected/attacked them. At least Shaw seems to deduce that. Of course it seems to be unexplained why there is no trace of the other mutated creatures - no remains etc.

As for the worms, yeah, I think that's supposed to be what happened. They mutated into the snake things that killed the biologist.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

I think the suggestion is that something went wrong with their black goo and infected/attacked them. At least Shaw seems to deduce that. Of course it seems to be unexplained why there is no trace of the other mutated creatures - no remains etc.

I guess you could probably assume whatever attacked them left the structure (there were other structures that are never even explored) or died in an area that the Prometheus team never explores?

 

[SJRB]

I think he actually puts some of the black goo into Holloway's drink

True. You can see him not touching the glass with his index finger, but quickly dipping it in the water when he hands over the glass.

Sneaky bastard.

 

[Hutch]

I think he actually puts some of the black goo into Holloway's drink

Ok... But why?

 

[gofreak]

I guess you could probably assume whatever attacked them left the structure (there were other structures that are never even explored) or died in an area that the Prometheus team never explores?

Or maybe wasted away to nothing over time. A lot of the mutations we see probably don't have bones so there'd perhaps be no more durable remains. I think the engineers were only as well preserved as they were because they were in suits.

Not sure what the logic behind the holograms was. If they were meant as a warning, surely some more direct communication could/would have been made to their homeworld. If it was meant as a more general warning - to visitors from other places, such as humans - it would call into question whether the engineers were actually as malicious as assumed.

 

[CadetMahoney]

I guess you could probably assume whatever attacked them left the structure (there were other structures that are never even explored) or died in an area that the Prometheus team never explores?

Yea, it's long gone, 2000 years have passed. When they discovered the pile of bodies didn't Miburn say "this thing is opened up from the inside" so at least one of them was actually carrying a xenomorph traditional style. Whether it was the deacon-style or a traditional Alien is anyone's guess.

 

[Jinroh]

They all got chestbursted/killed by something. Problem is, again, it matches the original version of the script in which there were alien eggs, not jars.

With that whole black goo story it doesn't make any sense to have chestbursted engineers if nothing was there to lay eggs in them in the first place.

 

[Kinyou]

Ok... But why?

It is not really explained. I think the theories are that David either acted out of his own curiosity, or that Weyland ordered him to do it just to see how the human body reacts to it. (After all was Weyland looking for eternal life, there could have been a chance that humans react positively to it)

 

[JB1981]

Yea, it's long gone, 2000 years have passed. When they discovered the pile of bodies didn't Miburn say "this thing is opened up from the inside" so at least one of them was actually carrying a xenomorph traditional style. Whether it was the deacon-style or a traditional Alien is anyone's guess.

There is also a deleted scene called 'skin' where the team comes across what looks like Xeno skin

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

So, do we know if we are getting an "extended" version?

 

[CadetMahoney]

So, do we know if we are getting an "extended" version?

nah only deleted scenes in the extras menu.

 

[Nappuccino]

There is also a deleted scene called 'skin' where the team comes across what looks like Xeno skin

Jesus, how late in the game were they changing things? No wonder this movie is such an unfocused mess at times.

 

[zoukka]

Jesus, how late in the game were they changing things? No wonder this movie is such an unfocused mess at times.

Probably thought it was unnecessary, when there already were scenes with evidence of xenomorphs at the dome.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

nah only deleted scenes in the extras menu.

Lame as hell. The only way I'll ever buy this movie is if it gets a "Kingdom of Heaven" treatment.

 

[Kinyou]

nah only deleted scenes in the extras menu.

Meh, would be funny if they'd release a director's cut that changes the movie as dramatically as Kingdom of Heaven.

edit ^beaten

 

[ToxicAdam]

I don't think that will ever happen as there are sequels planned.

I kind of wish Fox had the balls to (initially) make this movie a two-part movie. Maybe the extra time would have allowed for the story to breathe some more.

Yeah, it's in that scene in the director's commentary were Scott says 'David hates his father for creating him'.

He then goes on to say something along the lines of hoping people still aren't writing essays about it in 20 years, that all the clues are laid out etc. Which makes me think that his - David's hatred of his father/humanity - is an underlying motivation for a lot of what he does.

My only problem with this is that it was iterated/alluded to many times that David was incapable of feelings/human emotions etc etc. Never once did it show that he was capable of expressing even the vaguest of emotions, yet we are now to believe that he has a deep, complex emotional vendetta against his creators.

 

[Anton Sugar]

They all got chestbursted/killed by something. Problem is, again, it matches the original version of the script in which there were alien eggs, not jars.

With that whole black goo story it doesn't make any sense to have chestbursted engineers if nothing was there to lay eggs in them in the first place.

From the Blu-Ray special features (mix of concept art/cut stuff):

Lame as hell. The only way I'll ever buy this movie is if it gets a "Kingdom of Heaven" treatment.

Same. Might rent it, but not gonna buy until a superior take comes out.

 

[Melchiah]

This was just posted on the FP page.

Quoted for size.

 

[JB1981]

This guy at prometheusforum.net created an extended edit and streamed it live this week. Apparently it's pretty good. I would love to get a copy of it somehow!

 

[Anton Sugar]

This guy at prometheusforum.net created an extended edit and streamed it live this week. Apparently it's pretty good. I would love to get a copy of it somehow!

I want a fan edit to replace the annoying score.

 

[Kinyou]

This was just posted on the FP page.

Quoted for size.

lol, why don't they just go ahead and make a second movie that explains everything

 

[TheJollyCorner]

They all got chestbursted/killed by something. Problem is, again, it matches the original version of the script in which there were alien eggs, not jars.

With that whole black goo story it doesn't make any sense to have chestbursted engineers if nothing was there to lay eggs in them in the first place.

But the massive mural in the main chamber shows not only a xenomorph

but also the xeno-cycle, which includes the facehuggers:

So just because we never see the remnants of any existing xeno and/or egg-sack in Prometheus, we have to believe they are already in existence/have been created by the Engineers based on the mural, right?

 

[Sleepy]

Just bought the Blu-- Holy shit, the deleted scenes are amazing. Vickers and Janek in her chamber is awesome for context. But why in the fuck didn't they use Fifield-as-Alien in the actual film!

 

[fifasnipe2224]

Is there any difference in the amount of deleted scenes from either of the two blu-ray options on amazon?

 

[Mr Swine]

Just bought the Blu-- Holy shit, the deleted scenes are amazing. Vickers and Janek in her chamber is awesome for context. But why in the fuck didn't they use Fifield-as-Alien in the actual film!

Wouldnt make sense I guess

 

[Sleepy]

Wouldnt make sense I guess

Yeah, or maybe Ridley didn't want to be that obvious (actually, I just read the Spaights interview and it looks like it came from the studio). Still-- it looked loads better than the space zombie.

 

[Anton Sugar]

But the massive mural in the main chamber shows not only a xenomorph

but also the xeno-cycle, which includes the facehuggers:

So just because we never see the remnants of any existing xeno and/or egg-sack in Prometheus, we have to believe they are already in existence/have been created by the Engineers based on the mural, right?

Straight out of Giger's work:

Wouldnt make sense I guess

I actually think it would have made more sense than whatever Fifield turned into.

 

[JB1981]

Just bought the Blu-- Holy shit, the deleted scenes are amazing. Vickers and Janek in her chamber is awesome for context. But why in the fuck didn't they use Fifield-as-Alien in the actual film!

I like that scene a lot. I like the alternate/extended scene between Vickers and Weyland as well.

 

[Akahige]

So whatt edition of the blu-ray do i have to buy to get all the extras? I know it was mentioned on here a bunch of times before the release.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

So whatt edition of the blu-ray do i have to buy to get all the extras? I know it was mentioned on here a bunch of times before the release.

3D 4-disc version

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0085Z8F4A/?tag=neogaf0e-20

 

[Replicant]

Great crew or greatest crew?

I love that 9 out of 10,

Spoiler

their death have nothing to do with their mistake. It was completely due to something that is out of their control.

These are a bunch of competent crews sent to space. Wish I can say the same about the crew of Prometheus.

 

[Zombie James]

This was just posted on the FP page.

Quoted for size.

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