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[Erigu]

Did you miss the grand theme about asking the ultimate questions?

Does Santa Claus actually exist? I think they cut out the scene with Weyland in disguise.

none of the Alien films had "hard sci-fi" in them.

Lindelof called Prometheus "hard scifi".

Also the movie acknowledges the obvious problems with evolution in the beginning. There's a character laughing at the idea of engineers creating us through "planned evolution".

Yes, and he's made to sound rude and arrogant. We then cut to Shaw replying "that's what I choose to believe", the conversation ends there, with David making a "hmm, fascinating" Spock face upon hearing that oh-so-spiritual retort, and that's it.
"Wow, that movie sure makes you think."

 

[Gvaz]

Lindelof called Prometheus "hard scifi".

Which is insulting to the genre.

Slow burner in a sense that it will stand time or in a way that people keep discussing it's story long after watching it?

Don't play stupid. When someone says something is a slow burner, it means it takes a while to get going. The only way that applies to Prometheus is if you slept through half the movie. Which, if that's the case anyone who says that in a review immediately discounts it.

 

[TrumanBurbank]

I'm sure these points have been talked about in the thread but, PLOT HOLES AHOY!

- I'm a biologist who has ZERO interest in this dead engineer body here
- I'm the geologist who HATED the biologist, but hey, let's roll out together
- Oh fuck, we got lost somehow...even though we literally created an entire map of the place we're exploring minutes ago
- There's a blip on the scanner for a life form 1 click to the East?!?! FUCK DAT SHIT, we're going West, I ain't fuckin' with NO alien lifeforms...OH! A cute little snake! C'mere snake...OH GOD. Did I mention that earlier, I had NO interest even in the DEAD alien?
- Oh, I'm really sick and instead of even REMOTELY attempting to save myself, I volunteer to have Charlize Theron BURN me alive
- Oh that guy? He just had a GIANT SNAKE in his mouth, but we don't need to mention it again
- I ran away from two people and gave myself surgery on this MIND-BOGGLING male-only surgery capsule (btw, that thing is in Theron's character's emergency escape because you know...it makes sense for her to have a male-only surgery capsule)
- We spent over $1 billion on this mission, and even though there were only 12 of these surgery capsules made...we could only afford this male-only one..even though the Weyland representative is a female and the main person who helped get the mission going is also female
- AWESOME, I cut the alien out, thank goodness NO one chased me even though David was SUPER adamant about me keeping the alien inside me and it's even BETTER that no one ask why the fuck I have 8 staples in my stomach
- Thank God I know the code to open this door here, OH Mr. Weyland is here!
- Oh yah, the geologist came back to life as a zombie and murdered 3 of the crew, but we don't need to talk about that either
- Stringer Bell instantly figured out what the aliens were doing (military base obviously) by just killing the zombie geologist
- You can escape from getting crushed by a huge alien ship by rolling to the left a couple of times, but don't run in a straight line like an idiot otherwise you WILL get crushed by a huge alien ship
- Hello, Elizabeth? This is David. I'm completely decapitated but no worries, I can still contact you via radio somehow? Also, don't worry, neither my body nor my head moved AT ALL during that HUGE crash I just went through
- Oh btw, that engineer is PISSED and is coming to kill you, but apparently door locks don't exist in this world and he's gonna roll up on you as soon as I finish this sentence

Other thoughts:
Hey Ridley, remember that the space jockey (engineer) was fossilized and in the piloting seat in Alien 1 with its chest burst open, shouldn't we somehow get that into the movie as to maintain some sort of consistency between the films? Nah...

This movie pretty much further built my dislike for the Alien franchise due to it's utter lack of discipline to keep any sort of canon. They literally just make shit up from film-to-film. Yeah, I don't like the Alien movies. I said it. I was REALLY hopeful for Prometheus because even though I don't really like the franchise, the universe it attempts to create is still pretty interesting. It's too bad they don't care about their own universe.

Great Post. I agree 100%. The score of the movie was awful too.
This movie is up there with Crystal Skull in level of disappointment for me.

 

[zoukka]

Yes, and he's made to sound rude and arrogant. We then cut to Shaw replying "that's what I choose to believe", the conversation ends there, with David making a "hmm, fascinating" Spock face upon hearing that oh-so-spiritual retort, and that's it.
"Wow, that movie sure makes you think."

That's purely your interpetation. For me it felt like the movie presented a whole bunch of different viewpoints and none were correct. Shaw chose to believe blindly. There was no hidden meaning behind it or any advocation of beliefs because they were shown to be "wrong" during the movie.

Which is insulting to the genre.

Plot enabling-devices are found in "hard" sci-fi.

Also the whole term is stupid and should be defined before argued upon

 

[Gvaz]

Another thing that riles my jimmies, but happens with other media as well when people go:

"This movie has bad characterization and plot, but gosh darn it was so pretty! 5/5 stars!! MOVIE OF THE YEAR"

Are these people braindead? What the fuck.

MOVIE BAD, BUT FIVE OUT OF FIVE STARS BECAUSE SHINY OBJECTS AND HALF NAKED LADIES

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

The film is hard sci-fi in its themes. Just not in it's execution.

 

[Zekes!]

The really horrible thing about Prometheus is that the more you think about it the worst it gets.

After getting back from seeing this, thinking it over and reading this thread...yeah totally

at least Charlize Theron was hot

 

[Dresden]

Theron was so hot btw.

 

[Tookay]

I'm sure these points have been talked about in the thread but, PLOT HOLES AHOY!

- I'm a biologist who has ZERO interest in this dead engineer body here
- I'm the geologist who HATED the biologist, but hey, let's roll out together
- Oh fuck, we got lost somehow...even though we literally created an entire map of the place we're exploring minutes ago
- There's a blip on the scanner for a life form 1 click to the East?!?! FUCK DAT SHIT, we're going West, I ain't fuckin' with NO alien lifeforms...OH! A cute little snake! C'mere snake...OH GOD. Did I mention that earlier, I had NO interest even in the DEAD alien?
- Oh, I'm really sick and instead of even REMOTELY attempting to save myself, I volunteer to have Charlize Theron BURN me alive
- Oh that guy? He just had a GIANT SNAKE in his mouth, but we don't need to mention it again
- I ran away from two people and gave myself surgery on this MIND-BOGGLING male-only surgery capsule (btw, that thing is in Theron's character's emergency escape because you know...it makes sense for her to have a male-only surgery capsule)
- We spent over $1 billion on this mission, and even though there were only 12 of these surgery capsules made...we could only afford this male-only one..even though the Weyland representative is a female and the main person who helped get the mission going is also female
- AWESOME, I cut the alien out, thank goodness NO one chased me even though David was SUPER adamant about me keeping the alien inside me and it's even BETTER that no one ask why the fuck I have 8 staples in my stomach
- Thank God I know the code to open this door here, OH Mr. Weyland is here!
- Oh yah, the geologist came back to life as a zombie and murdered 3 of the crew, but we don't need to talk about that either
- Stringer Bell instantly figured out what the aliens were doing (military base obviously) by just killing the zombie geologist
- You can escape from getting crushed by a huge alien ship by rolling to the left a couple of times, but don't run in a straight line like an idiot otherwise you WILL get crushed by a huge alien ship
- Hello, Elizabeth? This is David. I'm completely decapitated but no worries, I can still contact you via radio somehow? Also, don't worry, neither my body nor my head moved AT ALL during that HUGE crash I just went through
- Oh btw, that engineer is PISSED and is coming to kill you, but apparently door locks don't exist in this world and he's gonna roll up on you as soon as I finish this sentence

EDIT: Forgot to add this,

- Us? We're just the Captain's lackeys? Oh what? He literally said he could crash Prometheus into the alien ship himself and to save ourselves? NAH, we BOTH decided to become heroes and sacrifice our lives as if we were deciding what to eat for dinner, steak or ramen? EASY CHOICE. We're going down with the ship, HANDS UP!

Other thoughts:
Hey Ridley, remember that the space jockey (engineer) was fossilized and in the piloting seat in Alien 1 with its chest burst open, shouldn't we somehow get that into the movie as to maintain some sort of consistency between the films? Nah...

This movie pretty much further built my dislike for the Alien franchise due to it's utter lack of discipline to keep any sort of canon. They literally just make shit up from film-to-film. Yeah, I don't like the Alien movies. I said it. I was REALLY hopeful for Prometheus because even though I don't really like the franchise, the universe it attempts to create is still pretty interesting. It's too bad they don't care about their own universe.

Pretty much spot on (except for the fossilized jockey part, because apparently that was a different ship or something).

Another thing that riles my jimmies, but happens with other media as well when people go:

"This movie has bad characterization and plot, but gosh darn it was so pretty! 5/5 stars!! MOVIE OF THE YEAR"

Are these people braindead? What the fuck.

MOVIE BAD, BUT FIVE OUT OF FIVE STARS BECAUSE SHINY OBJECTS AND HALF NAKED LADIES

Yeah the dearth of critical thinking or analysis associated with praise of this film is sort of strange.

 

[zoukka]

Theron was so hot btw.

5/5

 

[Dresden]

Pretty much everything happens in the movie happens because these supposedly professional people that are entrusted with a trillion dollar expedition are all criminally stupid idiots who wouldn't have passed any basic psych tests in the first place.

That fucking geologist, man.

 

[TUROK]

- We spent over $1 billion on this mission, and even though there were only 12 of these surgery capsules made...we could only afford this male-only one..even though the Weyland representative is a female and the main person who helped get the mission going is also female

- Hello, Elizabeth? This is David. I'm completely decapitated but no worries, I can still contact you via radio somehow? Also, don't worry, neither my body nor my head moved AT ALL during that HUGE crash I just went through

Actually, it was 1 trillion dollars. Lol.

Also, good catch. I didn't even think of that. Still, it's a minor continuity error. Most, if not all movies have them.

 

[AHappyPanda]

Pretty much spot on (except for the fossilized jockey part, because apparently that was a different ship or something).

I thought that too, but if you watch Alien 1 again, the ship they go into is crashed pretty much in the same position as it crashed it Prometheus, implying that it should be the same ship.

 

[zoukka]

Pretty much everything happens in the movie happens because these supposedly professional people that are entrusted with a trillion dollar expedition are all criminally stupid idiots who wouldn't have passed any basic psych tests in the first place.

So like any Alien movie cast.

I thought that too, but if you watch Alien 1 again, the ship they go into is crashed pretty much in the same position as it crashed it Prometheus, implying that it should be the same ship.

Again, people just seeing stuff they want to see.

 

[Future]

I'm sure these points have been talked about in the thread but, PLOT HOLES AHOY!

- I'm a biologist who has ZERO interest in this dead engineer body here
- I'm the geologist who HATED the biologist, but hey, let's roll out together
- Oh fuck, we got lost somehow...even though we literally created an entire map of the place we're exploring minutes ago
- There's a blip on the scanner for a life form 1 click to the East?!?! FUCK DAT SHIT, we're going West, I ain't fuckin' with NO alien lifeforms...OH! A cute little snake! C'mere snake...OH GOD. Did I mention that earlier, I had NO interest even in the DEAD alien?
- Oh, I'm really sick and instead of even REMOTELY attempting to save myself, I volunteer to have Charlize Theron BURN me alive
- Oh that guy? He just had a GIANT SNAKE in his mouth, but we don't need to mention it again
- I ran away from two people and gave myself surgery on this MIND-BOGGLING male-only surgery capsule (btw, that thing is in Theron's character's emergency escape because you know...it makes sense for her to have a male-only surgery capsule)
- We spent over $1 billion on this mission, and even though there were only 12 of these surgery capsules made...we could only afford this male-only one..even though the Weyland representative is a female and the main person who helped get the mission going is also female
- AWESOME, I cut the alien out, thank goodness NO one chased me even though David was SUPER adamant about me keeping the alien inside me and it's even BETTER that no one ask why the fuck I have 8 staples in my stomach
- Thank God I know the code to open this door here, OH Mr. Weyland is here!
- Oh yah, the geologist came back to life as a zombie and murdered 3 of the crew, but we don't need to talk about that either
- Stringer Bell instantly figured out what the aliens were doing (military base obviously) by just killing the zombie geologist
- You can escape from getting crushed by a huge alien ship by rolling to the left a couple of times, but don't run in a straight line like an idiot otherwise you WILL get crushed by a huge alien ship
- Hello, Elizabeth? This is David. I'm completely decapitated but no worries, I can still contact you via radio somehow? Also, don't worry, neither my body nor my head moved AT ALL during that HUGE crash I just went through
- Oh btw, that engineer is PISSED and is coming to kill you, but apparently door locks don't exist in this world and he's gonna roll up on you as soon as I finish this sentence

Said most of what I was gonna say. Dudes not running away from alien in the water after seeing a pile of dead bodies they were freaking out about seconds ago was ridiculous. Chick rescuing herself by going into the machine heroicly and getting surgery was ignored by EVERYONE. No one chased here there, even after she attacked a few of the docs or whoever they were. Theron was guarding entrance to the ship with a flamethrower when the dude was sick, but when there is another disturbance outside with some random dead body..open the hatch!

The ending was not satisfying. The deaths of the majority of characters was not satisfying ( Theron and the captain in particular). And the story points left the audience hanging:

1. Traveling across the word to find our engineers! Need to ask why.
2. Cannot ask why. Dude kills us on sight
3. Ok they wanted to kill the human race. Why?
4. Wait, but they stopped and changed their mind right. Why was that? Doc wants to find out, for she is human. Time to go to their world!
5. Audience wants to also find out, for they are also human.
6. Roll credits.

This was a weird movie for me. Acting was good, it was shot well, and I was entertained for awhile. But the forced conflicts due to idiots in the movie as outlined in the post above, and lack of any satisfying conclusions or revelations made it ultimately an unsatisfying experience. Audience seemed to agree with me at the credits rolled. A look of "that's it?" was felt throughout the room

 

[Tookay]

Pretty much everything happens in the movie happens because these supposedly professional people that are entrusted with a trillion dollar expedition are all criminally stupid idiots who wouldn't have passed any basic psych tests in the first place.

That fucking geologist, man.

That's the thing. Nobody acts like reasonable people or professionals who have been contacted to do a job. They have a briefing on what their mission is after they wake up (which is weird in and of itself), the geologist is a retard who gets lost in a MAPPED OUT CAVE, the biologist acts like a moron over a clearly dangerous lifeform, nobody bothers to ask if the two of them made it back to the ship, nobody bothers to actually look into Holloway's death or perform an autopsy, nobody asks what happened to Shaw, everybody brings Shaw along with them to visit the alien even though she's not sympathetic to their cause...

Arrrrrrgh this movie is so frustrating.

 

[AHappyPanda]

So like any Alien movie cast.



Again, people just seeing stuff they want to see.

Not sure if you're talking to me or other posters, but literally, if you watch Alien 1, the U-shaped ship is up-ended like it is in Prometheus.

EDIT: JESUS. They gave the keys of one of the most "important" sci-fi franchises to a writer who mostly ever wrote hour long TV shows?! http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0511541/#Writer

 

[LowParry]

Ugh, whoever said that thinking over this movie makes you more mad, agreed. That fucking ending. It wasn't even exciting. All I could do was laugh.

 

[Gvaz]

When a character dies that has had some sort of screentime, it's supposed to mean something. However theron's death did what exactly? Tells the viewers not to run from a half eaten donut in a straight line? It was just so anticlimatic and afterwards everyone's like "welp don't really care."

Every single death was used to advance the plot and nothing else. It's shit.

That's why this movie is good as a popcorn flick, much like the transformer movies. But if you analyze it even by just squinting, the whole thing falls apart.

 

[zoukka]

Not sure if you're talking to me or other posters, but literally, if you watch Alien 1, the U-shaped ship is up-ended like it is in Prometheus.

Which again does not mean anything at all. When you crash land, you usually try to not land upside down.

When a character dies that has had some sort of screentime, it's supposed to mean something.

Says who? That's what the moviemakers will decide. The kamikaze crew blowing themselves up needed a slow-mo of their tears before the explosion? I loved the fact that the characters that did not have much screentime, didn't get it either when they died.

A good example of a movie that does it wrong is Alien 3. You never sympathize with most of the inmates, yet they decided to add a long slow-motion shot of them burning alive and flying around dying and finally walking towards the camera with sad music on the background. So bad.

 

[Dresden]

I actually felt bad for Theron's character because she was hot and she was also like the only one who actually did something semi-smart in the movie.

e: of course she then tries to run away in a straight line from a rolling donut.

 

[Tookay]

When a character dies that has had some sort of screentime, it's supposed to mean something. However theron's death did what exactly? Tells the viewers not to run from a half eaten donut in a straight line? It was just so anticlimatic and afterwards everyone's like "welp don't really care."

Every single death was used to advance the plot and nothing else. It's shit.

Almost every character's death in the end of the movie felt like they forgot to account for these deaths earlier, so they just threw all of them in a death blender to resolve it as lazily as possible.

This could have been a haunting, yet triumphant movie (with the crew sacrificing themselves to stop the alien). Instead, I felt pure apathy the entire way through.

 

[RS4-]

Re: Shaw waking up to the two folks in hazmat suits, maybe they were in on it with both David and Weyland?

And perhaps Shaw didn't mention it to Elba when he walked in on her because she didn't know if he was a company man either?

After Holloways death there was an exchange between Shaw and David. I believe it was when they were getting ready to go back and get Fifield. It was just a look they gave each other like Shaw knew David had something to do with Holloways death.

 

[TheTruth523]

I assume the surgery pod was only on board for Peter Weyland and no one else, at least that is what I gathered from the way the movie tried really hard to throw it in your face that it was male only.

 

[AHappyPanda]

Which again does not mean anything at all. When you crash land, you usually try to not land upside down.

Right. I'm saying that there's the implication that the ship that crashes in Prometheus is the ship they find in Alien 1. There's nothing in Prometheus to convince me that this isn't so.

Anyway, this is such a minor point compared to the other gigantic plot holes the film has.

 

[TUROK]

Which again does not mean anything at all. When you crash land, you usually try to not land upside down.

But it didn't land that way. It landed vertically, and then fell over.

 

[zoukka]

I assume the surgery pod was only on board for Peter Weyland and no one else, at least that is what I gathered from the way the movie tried really hard to throw it in your face that it was male only.

Yep.

But it didn't land that way. It landed vertically, and then fell over.

I was talking about the ship in Alien.

 

[RS4-]

Right. I'm saying that there's the implication that the ship that crashes in Prometheus is the ship they find in Alien 1. There's nothing in Prometheus to convince me that this isn't so.

Anyway, this is such a minor point compared to the other gigantic plot holes the film has.

Can't be the same ship unless there's another room elsewhere on the ship that would have the same jockey from Alien.

 

[AHappyPanda]

Not the best comparison since in Prometheus, the donut does actually topple over and doesn't stay up right like in this pic, but you get the point I'm trying to make I think:

 

[Erigu]

That's purely your interpetation.

One of the two guys plainly says "bullshit", the other (who's got his hood on and doesn't bother to sit properly) laughs at that, proceeds to mock Shaw's ideas and actually snorts mid-sentence.

(Of course, on the other hand, Shaw remains perfectly well-mannered and makes her "I choose to believe" line sound like a deep thought.)

(... oh, and the two guys then act like complete idiots and become victims #1 and #2, naturally)

Shaw chose to believe blindly. There was no hidden meaning behind it or any advocation of beliefs because they were shown to be "wrong" during the movie.

Except it sure looks like Shaw was right: the Engineers did create mankind, Darwin be damned.

Plot enabling-devices are found in "hard" sci-fi.

We're talking about outright ignoring the very basics of evolution, here. That's a bit like saying it's OK to forget about outer space being a vacuum in a hard sci fi story.
It would be one thing if the movie at least bothered to explain itself a tiny bit on that front, but nope, nothing.

"Oh my, their DNA is identical, and it actually predates us! So I was right!"
Wat.

 

[AHappyPanda]

Can't be the same ship unless there's another room elsewhere on the ship that would have the same jockey from Alien.

Well, if it's supposed to be another ship, then that's already another fuck up.

When they first happen about the installations in Prometheus, ALL of them are covered by the dome and are not exposed.

In Alien 1, the ship is exposed and up-ended (see above)

 

[Gvaz]

Plot enabling-devices are found in "hard" sci-fi.

Yes but if you've ever read a hard scifi story, so aren't the explanations, which this completely lacks, along with any sort of logic.

Some things in the movie that were pretty unclear or illogical:

- David's motivations
- The Engineer's motivations
- how did the alien keep growing post birth? (ie where did it find all that mass)
- running straight instead of just a little bit left or right to safety
- the most important event in human history. And they weren't recording everything (for example when the biologist and geologist were attacked)
- if interstellar travel is common enough for it to be manned by that type of rag tag crew, it wouldn't cost a trillion dollars
- with all that tech, how do you get lost finding the exit?
- the fossil record/evolution contradicts the creation story
- at the end, if David could interface with the computers and understand the language, why not just find answers by searching the alien computers instead of traveling to alien hq?
- the whole first scene with the alien drinking the black goo of death
- no one would have removed their helmets due to quarantine issues
- having both atmospheric and interstellar engines on the same ship makes no sense.
- having to attack the crew to get to the auto surgeon thing

 

[TUROK]

Well, if it's supposed to be another ship, then that's already another fuck up.

When they first happen about the installations in Prometheus, ALL of them are covered by the dome and are not exposed.

In Alien 1, the ship is exposed and up-ended (see above)

It's another ship that crashed into LV-426. In Prometheus, they're on LV-223.

 

[Spotless Mind]

Well, if it's supposed to be another ship, then that's already another fuck up.

When they first happen about the installations in Prometheus, ALL of them are covered by the dome and are not exposed.

In Alien 1, the ship is exposed and up-ended (see above)

It isn't the same ship, because it's on a completely different moon. Though there's no denying that they were intentionally trying to evoke the derelict ship in Alien.

 

[Eccocid]

What bugs me most is;

At the beginning when SJ sacrificies(?) himself to start life on earth(maybe a dif planet) which would be like millions of years ago right if we assume it is our planet?

Million years passes and shouldnt they evolve too at that time? The SJ we see at the beginning and the other one sleeping were exactly same.
Let's say they were highly advanced civilizaiton and had power to give life to a planet million years ago.. After all those years they must be like Super Uber gods now if they kept progressing...or extinct.....

 

[MidnightCowboy]

Weird film. Caught between a niche sci-fi experience and Hollywood blockbuster. Every character besides David was forgettable and boring. Still kind of liked it though. It looked amazing.

 

[AHappyPanda]

It's another ship that crashed into LV-426. In Prometheus, they're on LV-223.

Literally in the middle of googling the year and planet names, but I stand corrected.

I'll remove that from my list of gripes about the movie, leaving roughly 20 things wrong with the movie now.

 

[zoukka]

(Of course, on the other hand, Shaw remains perfectly well-mannered and makes her "I choose to believe" line sound like a deep thought.)

No it sounded like religious confidence to me. Have you ever had debate with a religious person about their beliefs?

Except it sure looks like Shaw was right: the Engineers did create mankind, Darwin be damned.

Yeah she was right on the engineers part sure.

We're talking about outright ignoring the very basics of evolution, here. That's a bit like saying it's OK to forget about outer space being a vacuum in a hard sci fi story.
It would be one thing if the movie at least bothered to explain itself a tiny bit on that front, but nope, nothing.

"Oh my, their DNA is identical, and it actually predates us! So I was right!"
Wat.

Yep. If the engineers did in fact create us on purpose, of course it shits on Darwin. I don't see how that's a problem in sci-fi. It's supposed to be another take on our origin for space-christs sake.

 

[Yuripaw]

I really don't understand why there is any debate if the ship that crashes in Prometheus is supposed to be the same ship in ALIEN or not. I could tell you instantly from watching ALIEN recently, that it is not, nor ever was meant to be the same ship or planet. In ALIEN, they specifically say that the space jockey looks like it had been dead for thousands of years, and that the body had become fossilized. Parts of the suit/body had merged with the chair it was sitting in. I don't know the exactly how long ALIEN takes place after Prometheus, but I don't think it was thousands of years...most likely only a century or two.

 

[AHappyPanda]

Said most of what I was gonna say. Dudes not running away from alien in the water after seeing a pile of dead bodies they were freaking out about seconds ago was ridiculous. Chick rescuing herself by going into the machine heroicly and getting surgery was ignored by EVERYONE. No one chased here there, even after she attacked a few of the docs or whoever they were. Theron was guarding entrance to the ship with a flamethrower when the dude was sick, but when there is another disturbance outside with some random dead body..open the hatch!

The ending was not satisfying. The deaths of the majority of characters was not satisfying ( Theron and the captain in particular). And the story points left the audience hanging:

1. Traveling across the word to find our engineers! Need to ask why.
2. Cannot ask why. Dude kills us on sight
3. Ok they wanted to kill the human race. Why?
4. Wait, but they stopped and changed their mind right. Why was that? Doc wants to find out, for she is human. Time to go to their world!
5. Audience wants to also find out, for they are also human.
6. Roll credits.

This was a weird movie for me. Acting was good, it was shot well, and I was entertained for awhile. But the forced conflicts due to idiots in the movie as outlined in the post above, and lack of any satisfying conclusions or revelations made it ultimately an unsatisfying experience. Audience seemed to agree with me at the credits rolled. A look of "that's it?" was felt throughout the room

Did they change their mind, or were they not able to achieve their mission? It dawned on me after the movie that perhaps they created humans to test their WOMs (the aliens) ? Just a weird thought I had.

Some guy literally started just BOOing at the screen, I can't blame him, but I'm not a fan of that kind of behavior in a theater. There was also a utterly stupid amount of clapping at the end of whatever trailers we watched.

^Poster above, I didn't go deep enough into reading the planet names of Prometheus and Alien, and I was proven wrong. I assumed that with all the imagery tie-ins between the films, it must've been the same, but this is not the case. Also, the time difference is apparently only about 30 years.

 

[Erigu]

JESUS. They gave the keys of one of the most "important" sci-fi franchises to a writer who mostly ever wrote hour long TV shows?! http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0511541/#Writer

Well, there are good TV writers.
... Not that Lindelof is one of them.

 

[D.Lo]

I just realised what the movie reminds me of: the Burton Planet of the Apes.

 

[Yuripaw]

Did they change their mind, or were they not able to achieve their mission? It dawned on me after the movie that perhaps they created humans to test their WOMs (the aliens) ? Just a weird thought I had.

My interpretation of the opening after thinking about it is that if anything, creating humanity was an accident and the engineers never meant for them to have spawned the way that they did. Can't say that with certainty though since I'm still not clear why the engineer drank some weird shit, and killed himself to begin with.

 

[Eccocid]

My interpretation of the opening after thinking about it is that if anything, creating humanity was an accident and the engineers never meant for them to have spawned the way that they did. Can't say that with certainty though since I'm still not clear why the engineer drank some weird shit, and killed himself to begin with.

Yeah it might be a trial and error. They give their dna to a planet and check the outcome. In our planet when they gave the dna we end up spawning and evolved beyond their expectations? Probbaly we became so intelligent and advanced they saw us as a threat.

 

[AHappyPanda]

Well, there are good TV writers.
... Not that Lindelof is one of them.

Don't disagree, but a guy whose work contains large portions of Nash Bridges and Crossing Jordan? Come the fuck on.

 

[zoukka]

Yes but if you've ever read a hard scifi story, so aren't the explanations, which this completely lacks, along with any sort of logic.

Read? Was Prometheus a book and I missed something here?

Some things in the movie that were pretty unclear or illogical:

- David's motivations - he's an android. He doesn't have any other motivations besides what's been programmed into him. So we have to deduce it to be whatever Weyland wanted.

- The Engineer's motivations - to create life similar to themselves. Strong suggestions towards that life being used as guineapigs for various purposes, one being xenomorphs.

- how did the alien keep growing post birth? (ie where did it find all that mass) - this has happened with all xenomorphs in all Alien movies. We just have to accept that they don't grow like creatures on earth do. Maybe their life-cycle is very short and explosive.

- running straight instead of just a little bit left or right to safety - people are kinda dumb when in panic

- the most important event in human history. And they weren't recording everything (for example when the biologist and geologist were attacked) - Maybe it was recorded and nobody went through the footage for whatever reason they had being busy in the movie at that moment. Can't remember whether the storm had anything to do with communication or whether the two had to preserve energy in there.


- if interstellar travel is common enough for it to be manned by that type of rag tag crew, it wouldn't cost a trillion dollars - come on now, we have no idea of the value of money at that time (credits?) and why wouldn't it be costly I don't follow your logic here at all.

- with all that tech, how do you get lost finding the exit? - For whatever reason the data from the orbs was sent to Prometheus, not to the crew.

- the fossil record/evolution contradicts the creation story - elaborate?


- at the end, if David could interface with the computers and understand the language, why not just find answers by searching the alien computers instead of traveling to alien hq? - Answers to human creation in a military base? And I doubt he understood their language and tech 100% even though he could open doors.


- the whole first scene with the alien drinking the black goo of death -?

- no one would have removed their helmets due to quarantine issues - plot device to enable the actors to communicate without masks I'd guess. And if you don't trust your sensors out there, then what exactly?

- having both atmospheric and interstellar engines on the same ship makes no sense. - I loled. That's some Star Trek fanboy level of splitting hairs.

- having to attack the crew to get to the auto surgeon thing - nothing weird about that

 

[Dresden]

- David's motivations - he's an android. He doesn't have any other motivations besides what's been programmed into him. So we have to deduce it to be whatever Weyland wanted.

I thought it was pretty clear that he'd developed something that could pass for emotions. Clearly didn't like Holloway, clearly feels curiosity, and something like joy.

 

[Eccocid]

And how far is their home planet and how long will it take to go there?

The cryo sleep machine thing would work for a human as Shaw? Will she able to sleep in it? Because dna is same i guess she can sleep in it..Still sounds weird.

 

[zoukka]

I thought it was pretty clear that he'd developed something that could pass for emotions. Clearly didn't like Holloway, clearly feels curiosity, and something like joy.

He's made to look exactly like humans down to "emotional" reactions to what happens around him. Doesn't mean he actually feels anything.

 

[AHappyPanda]

Yeah it might be a trial and error. They give their dna to a planet and check the outcome. In our planet when they gave the dna we end up spawning and evolved beyond their expectations? Probbaly we became so intelligent and advanced they saw us as a threat.

Read? Was Prometheus a book and I missed something here?





- David's motivations - he's an android. He doesn't have any other motivations besides what's been programmed into him. So we have to deduce it to be whatever Weyland wanted.

- The Engineer's motivations - to create life similar to themselves. Strong suggestions towards that life being used as guineapigs for various purposes, one being xenomorphs.

- how did the alien keep growing post birth? (ie where did it find all that mass) - this has happened with all xenomorphs in all Alien movies. We just have to accept that they don't grow like creatures on earth do. Maybe their life-cycle is very short and explosive.

- running straight instead of just a little bit left or right to safety - people are kinda dumb when in panic

- the most important event in human history. And they weren't recording everything (for example when the biologist and geologist were attacked) - Maybe it was recorded and nobody went through the footage for whatever reason they had being busy in the movie at that moment. Can't remember whether the storm had anything to do with communication or whether the two had to preserve energy in there.


- if interstellar travel is common enough for it to be manned by that type of rag tag crew, it wouldn't cost a trillion dollars - come on now, we have no idea of the value of money at that time (credits?) and why wouldn't it be costly I don't follow your logic here at all.

- with all that tech, how do you get lost finding the exit? - For whatever reason the data from the orbs was sent to Prometheus, not to the crew.

- the fossil record/evolution contradicts the creation story - elaborate?


- at the end, if David could interface with the computers and understand the language, why not just find answers by searching the alien computers instead of traveling to alien hq? - Answers to human creation in a military base? And I doubt he understood their language and tech 100% even though he could open doors.


- the whole first scene with the alien drinking the black goo of death -?

- no one would have removed their helmets due to quarantine issues - plot device to enable the actors to communicate without masks I'd guess. And if you don't trust your sensors out there, then what exactly?

- having both atmospheric and interstellar engines on the same ship makes no sense. - I loled. That's some Star Trek fanboy level of splitting hairs.

- having to attack the crew to get to the auto surgeon thing - nothing weird about that

Didn't read all of your posts. but are you a fan of the film despite the plot holes mentioned by myself and others in the thread? That's fine if you are, but I'd be curious to hear your counter-points to at least the points I made.