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DrForester said:
I didn't even realize it was Guy Pearce under the makup for Weyland, I assumed it was Fassbender under a ton of makeup the entire time...
Same.
Jarmel said:
She is all cool with it of course and later helps him out without bringing up the topic even once.
He has to convince her to help him. Why? Because if he wasn't useful, she'd have been willing to just let him sit and rot.
Femmeworth said:
This has probably been addressed, by why do the engineers look so different from humans even though they share the same DNA?
outunderthestars said:
evolution?
Evolve, and the DNA would no longer be a perfect match. Something that would still connect them unambiguously like a 99% match would've seemed more believable to me.
DoctorWho said:
Since we're on this crazy topic. Ridley, the villain, is named after Ridley Scott.
For the longest time I assumed it was a play on Ripley.
DoctorWho said:
Of course not. But calling this a prequel is incorrect IMO.
It's more of a cousin. Why we still got monkeys?
 
Jesus that is the most damning deconstruction of the movie that I have seen. Hopefully there is some like REALLY AMAZING directors cut out there
 
So when did everyone else finally give up on the film?

I found myself desperately trying to like it, but once Weyland showed up, I was done. Truth be told, though, the film was beyond saving long before that point.

Everyone? Lol as if everyone gave up on it?

Naw I was super into it as I was watching and I still really like it. It's not perfect but that's not what I look for in a good movie.
 
I thought it was pretty obvious that medpod was there specifically for old Weyland. Made sense to be in Vickers quarters because she was one of the few that knew he was on board.
 
So when did everyone else finally give up on the film?

I found myself desperately trying to like it, but once Weyland showed up, I was done. Truth be told, though, the film was beyond saving long before that point.

Everyone? This movie seems to be a love it or hate it. People who can't stand it and people who seem to think it is fantastic.
 
Anyone else amused by that whiny AARRGGHH!! that Charlize let out when Janek and his suicide bombers denied her orders as she ran off to her escape pod?

Everyone? This movie seems to be a love it or hate it. People who can't stand it and people who seem to think it is fantastic.

I didn't think it was fantastic because of its issues, but I didn't think it was bad either. I'd give it a solid 7 out of 10. An extended cut could bump it up to an 8 or 9, assuming that it would relieve some of the problems.
 
I'm sure these points have been talked about in the thread but, PLOT HOLES AHOY!

- I'm a biologist who has ZERO interest in this dead engineer body here
- I'm the geologist who HATED the biologist, but hey, let's roll out together
- Oh fuck, we got lost somehow...even though we literally created an entire map of the place we're exploring minutes ago and everyone else got out OK...in the middle of a storm
- There's a blip on the scanner for a life form 1 click to the East?!?! FUCK DAT SHIT, we're going West, I ain't fuckin' with NO alien lifeforms...OH! A cute little snake! C'mere snake...OH GOD. Did I mention that earlier, I had NO interest even in the DEAD alien?
- Oh, I'm really sick and instead of even REMOTELY attempting to save myself, I volunteer to have Charlize Theron BURN me alive
- Oh that guy? He just had a GIANT SNAKE in his mouth, but we don't need to mention it again
- I ran away from two people and gave myself surgery on this MIND-BOGGLING male-only surgery capsule (btw, that thing is in Theron's character's emergency escape because you know...it makes sense for her to have a male-only surgery capsule)
- We spent over $1 trillion on this mission, and even though there were only 12 of these surgery capsules made...we could only afford this male-only one..even though the Weyland representative is a female and the main person who helped get the mission going is also female
- AWESOME, I cut the alien out, thank goodness NO one chased me even though David was SUPER adamant about me keeping the alien inside me and it's even BETTER that no one ask why the fuck I have 8 staples in my stomach
- Thank God I know the code to open this door here, OH Mr. Weyland is here!
- Oh yah, the geologist came back to life as a zombie and murdered 3 of the crew, but we don't need to talk about that either
- Stringer Bell instantly figured out what the aliens were doing (military base obviously) by just killing the zombie geologist
- You can escape from getting crushed by a huge alien ship by rolling to the left a couple of times, but don't run in a straight line like an idiot otherwise you WILL get crushed by a huge alien ship
- Hello, Elizabeth? This is David. I'm completely decapitated but no worries, I can still contact you via radio somehow? Also, don't worry, neither my body nor my head moved AT ALL during that HUGE crash I just went through
- Oh btw, that engineer is PISSED and is coming to kill you, but apparently door locks don't exist in this world and he's gonna roll up on you as soon as I finish this sentence

EDIT: Forgot to add this,

- Us? We're just the Captain's lackeys. Oh what? He literally said he could crash Prometheus into the alien ship himself and to save ourselves? NAH, we BOTH decided to become heroes and sacrifice our lives as if we were deciding what to eat for dinner, steak or ramen? EASY CHOICE. We're going down with the ship, HANDS UP!

Other thoughts:
Hey Ridley, remember that the space jockey (engineer) was fossilized and in the piloting seat in Alien 1 with its chest burst open, shouldn't we somehow get that into the movie as to maintain some sort of consistency between the films? Nah...

Some of the points you make are not really strong, like the operation pod was CONFIGURED for males it was not a 'male' version. Also the fossilized engineer was on another planet another ship....

like someone posted before, it seems like that people have forgotten certain stuff from the film that in fact are explained.
 
Some of the points you make are not really strong, like the operation pod was CONFIGURED for males it was not a 'male' version. Also the fossilized engineer was on another planet another ship....

like someone posted before, it seems like that people have forgotten certain stuff from the film that in fact are explained.

And it wasn't meant for Vickers, it was clearly configured for Male to help support Weyland if needs be. I thought that was obvious.
 
And it wasn't meant for Vickers, it was clearly configured for Male to help support Weyland if needs be. I thought that was obvious.

Indeed. Even more so if you believe the theory that Vickers was android. But nontheless it was pretty obvious that the pod was meant for Weyland.
 
Jesus that is the most damning deconstruction of the movie that I have seen. Hopefully there is some like REALLY AMAZING directors cut out there
Eh, everyone of those points that doesn't have to do with the lost bio/geo-ligists are just nitpicking.

So Shaw knows the door code to the medical area? Wow what a plothole.

David's remains doesn't move during the crash? Yes they do. Watch the movie again (I've seen it 3 times, this was one of the things I specifically looked for on repeat viewings).

And so on. If GAF wrote a movie it would be soooo slow, everyone would always have to tell everyone as soon as something happens, and 30 minutes of the movie would just be people reacting to hearing/seeing things. Jesus, just fill in some blanks yourselves.. like the staples on Shaw's stomach, only David/Weyland/random dude even see them. The zombie guy attacks when a ton of other shit is going on, and Janek certainly reacts to it, by going to Shaw and telling her they need to get the hell out and he can't bring that shit back to earth.
 
Again, The worms are called Hammerpedes, and the octopus is called a Trilobite.

That being said This should be required reading for everyone in the thread.

That was a great read. Thanks for posting it.

This was posted in one of the comments

The planet is LV223...Leviticus 22:3

"Say to them: 'For the generations to come, if any of your descendants is ceremonially unclean and yet comes near the sacred offerings that the Israelites consecrate to the LORD, that person must be cut off from my presence. I am the LORD.
 
Eh, everyone of those points that doesn't have to do with the lost bio/geo-ligists are just nitpicking.

So Shaw knows the door code to the medical area? Wow what a plothole.

David's remains doesn't move during the crash? Yes they do. Watch the movie again (I've seen it 3 times, this was one of the things I specifically looked for on repeat viewings).

And so on. If GAF wrote a movie it would be soooo slow, everyone would always have to tell everyone as soon as something happens, and 30 minutes of the movie would just be people reacting to hearing/seeing things. Jesus, just fill in some blanks yourselves.. like the staples on Shaw's stomach, only David/Weyland/random dude even see them. The zombie guy attacks when a ton of other shit is going on, and Janek certainly reacts to it, by going to Shaw and telling her they need to get the hell out and he can't bring that shit back to earth.

How was Janek so privy to information about the Engineers and the nature of the installation on that planet ? It was total horseshit.
 
And how did Idris Elba know so much about the SJs "installation"? How did he know it was a military installation with weapons of mass destruction? Seriously how the fuck would he know that? Because Shaw's BF returned to the ship all mutated?
The bit where he looked at the hologram and went "... it's a ship!" seemed somewhat odd to me, too. Does that really look like a ship to you, Janek? Did you cheat and watch Alien before coming here?


Anyone else amused by that whiny AARRGGHH!! that Charlize let out when Janek and his suicide bombers denied her orders as she ran off to her escape pod?
Hahaha! Yes! "Wait, what the hell was that?"


Some of the points you make are not really strong, like the operation pod was CONFIGURED for males it was not a 'male' version.
Seems a bit of a waste to configure such a machine for males only though (especially considering it's supposed to be very expensive). Shit might come in handy is all I'm saying!
 
Also what i wanted to point out that people say: damn they react in a weird way on this certain thing etc, dont forget paranoia and angst do weird stuff to people, i for one didnt think it was weird that shaw didnt say anything to anyone about the alien she cut out of herself. Also people tend to forget that david doesnt have human emotions..
 
How was Janek so privy to information about the Engineers and the nature of the installation on that planet ? It was total horseshit.
How do you know he was even right? But it seems like a fairly logical conclusion after they've found engineer corpses, weird containers of dangerous goo, and lost many of their crew to infections and other shit, that this is not a shopping center or a church. It's desolate and full of what seems like biological weapons. If it was me.. I'd guess "military installation". Janek might have an army background or something that makes him even better at judging.
 
i for one didnt think it was weird that shaw didnt say anything to anyone about the alien she cut out of herself.
And when Janek tells her he doesn't want any of that shit to get on his ship, that doesn't remind her of anything?

Also people tend to forget that david doesnt have human emotions..
Probably in good part because the film implies otherwise quite a bit...

Why is that if Weyland himself funded the machine?
I would imagine he'd like the expedition to succeed. A machine like that might help, possibly save some lives.
 
The bit where he looked at the hologram and went "... it's a ship!" seemed somewhat odd to me, too. Does that really look like a ship to you, Janek? Did you cheat and watch Alien before coming here?



Hahaha! Yes! "Wait, what the hell was that?"



Seems a bit of a waste to configure such a machine for males only though (especially considering it's supposed to be very expensive). Shit might come in handy is all I'm saying!

That part didn't bother me since it did look like a traditional ship design. I still don't understand what that installation was. I would have loved to learn more about it. So was the ship laying underneath the dome and the ship carried all the weapons? Then what was the purpose of the dome?

I do have to say the scene where the ship is about to launch and you see the space jockey "gun" rise up from the ground was fucking awesome ... I wish they didn't show that in the trailer ... Would have been an amazing surprise
 
I really liked it, I get the complains but they seem to be attached to a whole lot of exaggeration.

While watching the film I had no problems. Good flow and pacing, Fassbender was incredible. Great stuff
 
How do you know he was even right? But it seems like a fairly logical conclusion after they've found engineer corpses, weird containers of dangerous goo, and lost many of their crew to infections and other shit, that this is not a shopping center or a church. It's desolate and full of what seems like biological weapons. If it was me.. I'd guess "military installation". Janek might have an army background or something that makes him even better at judging.

We know he's right because his scene exists solely to impart information to the audience
 
One thing that bothers me the most was when Shaw ran off from medical bay to Vicker's self-operating room. If she was meant to be on infection/suicide watch, how come no one came after her? You'd think the ship would be more supervised after the previous incident where one of their crew was infected by alien organism. But no, she managed to run, turn the machine on, and undergoes full caesarian operation without anyone noticing that she's no longer in med bay. And even after post operation, no one asked her, what the fuck happened to you? Where were you?
 
Some of the points you make are not really strong, like the operation pod was CONFIGURED for males it was not a 'male' version. Also the fossilized engineer was on another planet another ship....

like someone posted before, it seems like that people have forgotten certain stuff from the film that in fact are explained.

Eh the operation pod was clearly for Weyland and not Theron, that's not really a plot hole

We knew he was on the ship from David talking to him through the neural dream scanner thing earlier
 
The zombie guy attacks when a ton of other shit is going on, and Janek certainly reacts to it, by going to Shaw and telling her they need to get the hell out and he can't bring that shit back to earth.

Which would have been a prime time for Shaw to let him know that there is an aborted alien-squid-foetus onboard the ship, since they were specifically discussing the need to stop any foreign life forms making it off the planet.
 
We know he's right because his scene exists solely to impart information to the audience
Well okay then. But what else could it be? Why is it strange that Janek realizes what it is? It's clearly not a city, doesn't seem like a suburban neighbourhood or a resort. Maybe a terraforming project of some sort. Could be a weird zoo or a prison.

There has to be many instances of this in every movie, where characters hit the nail on the head in order for them to be able to impart information to the viewer.


Which would have been a prime time for Shaw to let him know that there is an aborted alien-squid-foetus onboard the ship, since they were specifically discussing the need to stop any foreign life forms making it off the planet.
I guess. Would be a weird conversation though :P And then Shaw thinks it's dead, and it's in a seperate module, one easily ejected from the ship if need be. And she's doped up on meds.

You people are looking really hard for plotholes I gotta say. It's like the working Video Camera in War Of The Worlds all over again.
 
Let me dissect all the bullshit in this movie bit by bit:

First off we have the Engineer sacrificing himself to create life. There is nothing inherently wrong with this sequence except for a major visual error, mainly that of a (hopefully not the same one later on) black goo disintegrating the Engineer in order to spread life. The problem is two fold in this sequence. The first is that of the black goo breaks down his body in a similar manner, not necessarily as explosive as seen with the head, as the other black goo later on This raises issues of what exactly is the black goo, something I will address later on as that is a clusterfuck in of itself. The second problem is why is he doing this? This isn't an issue in of itself as the writers are entitled to a few mysteries. This is problematic because of the later scenes with the Engineers, mainly that they wanted to kill us. So we now have a race that created us and then wanted to destroy us with no explanation on either side and an apparent switch in behavior. This leads into the second issue mainly that humans were given directions to a military installation. Think about that for a second. Why of all places, a military installation instead of some remote colony to establish contact(they obviously didn't want to give humans directions to their home planet in case we as a race turned out to be evil or warlike)? There are two different assumptions I can theorize based on this and both are inherently flawed. The first is that the directions were indeed a poorly thought of trap for the humans in that we would go to this installation, get infected, and ruin our own race. The problem with this is that any semi-intelligent crew would have been much more careful and intelligent about their handling of the ruins and no infection would have occurred. So they would basically be assuming that this species of interstellar travel would be extremely idiotic and careless. The other possibility is that it could have been as Shaw described, an invitation. They could have used that planet as a possible staging ground for diplomatic relations. The problem with this is that it is a military installation housed with our equivalent of chemical warfare. Now before someone states that it could have been a diplomatic meeting point before they decided to kill us, remember that they had the alien mural there as well as the 'side-exploding mural' so they had been developing these chemical weapons long before 2000 years ago when they decided to kill us. Then another issue with both theories is that there is an xenomorph mural, one that doesn't look so much like a warning but rather religious in nature. They key factor there is the head down pose of the xenomorph and the way it could possibly be referencing the crucifixion of Jesus. Also note that Davis with his magical ability to read and speak the language of the Engineers, even if they do share Sanskrit roots, does not, out loud anyway, read any sort of warning sign.

Going back to the narrative, the next horribly written sequence is the infodump aka the meeting on board the ship. Apparently we have the crew, of a 1 trillion dollar project, not being informed what the hell was going on before they left. They signed onto a multiyear voyage without knowing what was going on and Weyland decided to roll the dice with a crew who didn't know what was going on. This is incompetence on two levels and done solely for two reasons, the first being that of a big expository sequence and the second is to beat you over the fucking head, as the movie assumes you're an idiot, with certain themes such as unwavering, fundamentalist-level, belief. I won't go into the whole Christmas motif and Space Jesus thing because first it's not in the movie and second, it's amazingly idiotic and contradicts with the timeline in the movie anyway. Mainly being they were directing us to the military installation way before Jesus existed.

Now let's talk about the crew of the Prometheus. We have Janek, Holloway, Shaw, Vickers, Milburn, Fifield and David. I won't discuss the rest because they get essentially zero screentime and die without any fucks being given. Even among this core seven, there are inconsistent characterizations and the only two that really have any importance, or even an arc, are David and Shaw. Before I delve into those two, let me discuss the rest. I'll start with Holloway who in no way acts like a scientist. The first beyond idiotic thing he does is take off his helmet in the cave despite not knowing if there are pathogens or whether the atmosphere is consistent throughout the caves. The second is later on when he throws a pissy fit that the Engineers are dead. Apparently the idea itself of establishing that there is indeed intelligent alien life, one of the biggest discoveries in human history, is not enough for him. Then there is Vickers who acts like the soulless corporate puppet. There's something to be said when people are suggesting that she actually is an android, even though that evidence is horribly unsound and contradicts multiple things. Her character is only there for the big twist at the end involving her father and even then doesn't really serve a purpose. Janek, moreso than any other character, is the heart of the movie. He is the one cracking the jokes and making the self-sacrificial play when needed. Milburn's character was fine up until the crew found the dead Engineer body. He then breaks down and runs away despite being a biologist and discovering an entire new organism, something that changes again later when the plot demands it. Finally there is Fifield. Oh boy. He first establishes himself as some sort of mercenary who is only in this for the movie who then turns out to be an actual scientist despite his whole wolf-howling bit. At first he seems claustrophobic when he enters the caves as he hesitates for a second and you can see a look of anxiety on his face, this of course makes no fucking sense for a geologist. His character just seems to be angry and crazy in general with no backstory to him at all. In general, there is very little to the crew and little in to making them relatable except for Janek.

Now for the star two, and there are problems inherent with them. David's character is broken down as the movie progresses and Shaw's character is built up. David, as we first see, is exploring the ship and wandering about in general. Despite his robotic movements, he acts in a rather human behavior. We see him eat, play sports, watch television, and study. All traits that are assigned more to a human being rather than a robot. He even has curiosity as we see with him investigating Shaw's dreams. This later leads to one of the great faults of the movie, we don't know whether Weyland gave him the order to poison Holloway or if he did it on his own. The reason this is crucial is that we don't know whether he took the initiative, which would enforce the curiosity aspect of his personality, or just was following orders, in that he was just acting like any other robot. Irregardless the audience starts to see him becoming more inhuman as the movie progresses. We then have him getting his head ripped off and of course, there is no panic because he's a robot. Despite the fact that his 'life' might end there, he seems perfectly at peace with it. Until, as you can guess, the very end when he wants Shaw to save him. This is contradictory in that he is now showing a human response despite earlier scenes with a lack of an emotional response. Ridley, or Lidelof(whoever you care to blame), however then go back to his breakdown into a robot with the line by Shaw that he isn't anything more than a robot. The main character herself is driving this point home in another "smack-you-in-the-face-with-it" line. Now as for Shaw, she suffers from the issues of consequential response in the narrative so her characterization really suffers from this as well. The main thing with her being a fundamentalist and having faith in the Engineers is obviously gone at the end, with her literally killing her god. She doesn't exhibit much of an emotional response to many of the traumatizing events in the movie such as giving birth to a squid, her boyfriend's death, seeing the Prometheus explode, nearly being flattened to death, killing an Engineer, or even helping David at the end despite there being the suggestion that she knows he killed her boyfriend or atleast she knows he was involved to a certain extent. The only consistent thing about her is the extremity of her belief, to the point that she is willing to work with David despite the fact that he tried to kill her less than a couple of hours ago. This of course deosn't make her relatable at all. Why should the audience attach themselves to a character that has shown themselves to be damn near idiotic? That's a question the movie doesn't answer and stands in stark contrast with Alien.

So back to the narrative, and the many issues found within. The crew land on the planet and magically in less than 10 minutes, find the structures. It's a movie so I'll give them the benefit of time but it does hurt the idea of scale and exploration in the movie. Anyway the crew lands and take the vehicles. However before they do, they have an extremely, and I emphasize the word extremely, stupid sequence in which Shaw doesn't want weapons brought with them. She has no clue what is on this planet, it could be wild animals or any sort of environmental hazard, and doesn't want anything to protect herself with. So anyway they go inside the temple and in a very convenient bit of movie magic, they can breathe inside the temple itself. As to why they were possibly terraforming? My first assumption would be for the Engineers themselves however at the end we have the enraged Engineer come for Shaw without the ability of a suit so it implies he might be able to withstand the hostile outdoor environment. However let's just go with that being a technical error for the time being. So the air is breathable and Holloway and crew, as I already pointed, stupidly takes their helmets off. Also thank god for that security camera footage to help speed everything along. Whew. It recorded exactly what is needed for the plot to progress and is played at the exact right time. Although it apparently didn't record anyone coming out of that room and there wasn't any bodies in the room itself. Oops. Oh and let's not mention the stupidity of going into the room in which the outbreak possibly started from. Jumping now to the part where the geologist, I repeat the geologist, gets lost in the caves despite the rest of the crew easily able to get themselves out in a quick manner. The geologist who also is in radio contact with Prometheus. Then we have pickup scene by Janek created for the excuse for Fifield and Milburn to lose contact with the Prometheus. Now right after Janek scares the everlasting daylights out of them, they head back to the headroom where they find a cute, and by cute I mean creepy, little snake thing. Of course right after being scared, Milburn wants to play with the thing coming out of black goo. This is a perfect example of events seemingly being written independent of each other. So both end up dead in a rather violent manner, which of course nobody notices, as everybody was getting laid while Fifield and Milburn get laid out, or the computer itself records.

So we now come upon the issue of the black goo(excluding the opening bit). This really doesn't make any sense for the audience as we see a plethora of different effects for this and nobody bothers to explain this. At best I can theorize as to what caused this as the writers apparently didn't give a fuck. So the goo infects a person causing their body to break down in a rather rapid manner however if they infect another person via reproductive methods then this leads to xenomorphs. Since worms are hermaphroditic then we can assume the snake things we later saw are the offspring of the worms themselves. The problem is with Fifield is that he's dead when he falls into the black goo but apparently goes back as a super zombie. So the black goo can also revive people from the dead as long as their head doesn't explode. If the xenomorphs are the goal of the goo then this weapon should be considered a failure as the incubation period is way too rapid in order to possibly infect someone else. What would have happened if Holloway hadn't slept with Shaw that one single night? He would have died and boom no xenomorph. This could be explained away if the xenomorphs are some weird byproduct. Of course none of this is explained at all. The driving force of the movie isn't explained and is pretty much used as a plot device in order for stuff to happen.

Jumping forward to after Shaw's abortion, we see her stumble into Weyland. Nobody mentions her physical state or where the squid baby is. David doesn't ask and the people who trying to put her into stasis, don't even look at her. I would also like to mention how they didn't bother to chase her after she hit the both of them. So nobody asks about the abomination and she apparently doesn't even tell. Hell she doesn't even show much of an emotional response to the amazingly traumatic experience she just had. David even makes a joke about it but doesn't care enough about the outcome. She agrees to work with the people who just tried to have her killed without any qualms, another example of a scene which has an emotional disconnect with the prior scene, as curiosity trumps all. Oh and Weyland has a nice scene with Vickers where she openly blurts the most obvious thing in the movie, that he's her father. This is a great case of less is more and assumes the audience is too stupid to figure that out. The tone and direction of that line also makes it seem like that was supposed to be a twist, in which this was another horrible twist compounded on the whole Weyland being alive bit. David also has a nice chat with Shaw in which he states that he wants to kill his parents, a piece of foreshadowing or so I thought, however nothing comes of it except to give the whole bit about Shaw's father being dead. So Weyland being the evil atheist wants to cheat death as there is nothing, and ends up getting killed. So what was the purpose of his character again except to waste time? Was it to expand Vickers in a shallow and obvious sequence? It's not like David had much of a chance to do his powerplay or even attempted to do so.

Now we have the captain deciding to kamikaze the alien ship in order to stop it from reaching Earth. He already telegraphed this in a very obvious line prior so no surprise there. The real surprise was how cavalier he was about it and his copilots as well. Hands up everybody! He seriously makes a joke right before crashing his ship which ruins all tension and the seriousness of the moment. Why should we take his actions seriously if he didn't take it seriously himself? Next comes the big rolling ball of doom or spaceship in this case. We have Vickers and Shaw trying to outrun it and all they needed to do was run diagonally. What makes this worse is how easily Shaw avoids this by just rolling, that's it, sideways. I can understand if she had to slid under something or run a moderate distance sideways to avoid the ship but she just rolls a little bit.

Next we have the squid thing all grown up and enormous in a matter of hours. The speed is pretty incredulous and obviously done for the sole sequence dealing with the Engineer, even though it could have been handled in a different and probably better manner. David then warns Shaw of the Engineer coming and instead of a lengthy stalking sequence filled with tension, Shaw opens up the door and the two monsters fight each other. A possibly fantastic scene cut extremely short. Shaw then leaves some cryptic ass message and goes off with David in search of more adventure. As to who played the flute? Let's wait till the sequel.

In short; the characters are inconsistent, the narrative is inconsistent and the lore is inconsistent.
 
And so on. If GAF wrote a movie it would be soooo slow, everyone would always have to tell everyone as soon as something happens, and 30 minutes of the movie would just be people reacting to hearing/seeing things. Jesus, just fill in some blanks yourselves.. like the staples on Shaw's stomach, only David/Weyland/random dude even see them. The zombie guy attacks when a ton of other shit is going on, and Janek certainly reacts to it, by going to Shaw and telling her they need to get the hell out and he can't bring that shit back to earth.

Without fallout and consequential scenes between the crew, the movie just becomes a mess of important moments that are no longer important. I shouldn't have to "fill in the blanks" because the movie wants to jump past reactionary scenes to get to the next story beat. The dead guy who ordered the mission being NOT DEAD and ABOARD THE SHIP is a big deal. An alien being removed from someone's womb and locked in a medical room is a big gotdamn deal. A crew mate getting burned to death, and another coming back as a zombie and Hulking out are big deals. If you want to use "lots of stuff was happening" as an excuse, then the structure of the script was completely out of whack. The beauty of Alien was how the movie built tension throughout until the climactic race to the end. Here there's no tension once you realize they aren't even going to take a second to discuss how they had to BURN ONE OF THEIR CREW MEMBERS TO DEATH.

30 minutes of crew drama is exactly what this movie needed to build characters and flesh out motivations.
 
I don't get why the surgery device being on board is so baffling for some people. It's for Weyland, why wouldn't he want it brought with him?
 
If Shaw hadn't gotten the space squid out when she did, she would have died for sure. At that point the movie would have turned into an alternate version of Alien. With a space alien stalking the crew on the ship. Eventually it would have killed everyone so why would David want to endanger the mission in such a way?
 
If Shaw hadn't gotten the space squid out when she did, she would have died for sure. At that point the movie would have turned into an alternate version of Alien. With a space alien stalking the crew on the ship. Eventually it would have killed everyone so why would David want to endanger the mission in such a way?
He hasn't seen Alien? Which would be weird since the movie is over a hundred years old by that time. PLOTHOLE.
 
The dome part of the structure could be anything; storage, living quarters, dock, whatever. While the drones are mapping the place, you can see multiple levels and a huge shaft running up and down the middle of it.

And the ship is docked below it or within the walls that surround the dome. David had to travel a klick to the pinging drone, which is probably one end of the horseshoe where the deck/star map room, whatever is.
 
I think the only problem I had with the movie was the time between the point they realized they had to take down the space jockey ship to the time that the captain of Prometheus crashes into the space jockey ship is like a minute or so. There needed to be a longer amount of time between the time it was realized the last space jockey was an active threat to destroy Earth and the time they actually stopped the threat.
 
We know he's right because his scene exists solely to impart information to the audience
That's also what I thought (even if that makes Janek sound like he's psychic), but then Scott (or was it Lindelof?) said in an interview something to the effect of "hey, it might not really be a weapon!"... Urgh.


I don't get why the surgery device being on board is so baffling for some people.
Did anybody say that was baffling?
It's the "configured for males only" / "located in Vickers' quarters and in plain sight, despite being meant for another secret passenger who's hidden elsewhere" combination that's clumsy. Clearly, it's all set up just so that Shaw will know about the machine and use it in a gory scene later on in the movie.
 
Remember that Ridley had to fight with the execs of Alien to keep the space jockey in the original Alien because he thought it looked cool.
And here we are trying to base a whole movie around that thing that looked cool.
This film proves that Ridley should retire and Lindelof needs to go back to stupid, inconsistent, make up the script as we go along TV shows.
 
He hasn't seen Alien? Which would be weird since the movie is over a hundred years old by that time. PLOTHOLE.

By that extension, Alien has a huge plothole, seeing as the crew apparently never saw Alien even though its been a classic for 200 years ;)
 
Remember that Ridley had to fight with the execs of Alien to keep the space jockey in the original Alien because he thought it looked cool.
And here we are trying to base a whole movie around that thing that looked cool.
This film proves that Ridley should retire and Lindelof needs to go back to stupid, inconsistent, make up the script as we go along TV shows.

Word.

They tried to create a mythology over something that didn't need a fucking mythology. Ugh.
 
Did anybody say that was baffling?
It's the "configured for males only" / "located in Vickers' quarters and in plain sight, despite being meant for another secret passenger who's hidden elsewhere" combination that's clumsy. Clearly, it's all set up just so that Shaw will know about the machine and use it in a gory scene later on in the movie.

Some people seemed to be finding it weird that it was even on the ship. The "males only" thing isn't that clumsy really. Vickers told Shaw to keep away from it when she saw it. She didn't want them using it because doing so (as we saw when Shaw tried) reveals it's configured for a male.
 
I guess if GAF made movies each character would spend about a week crying in a corner anytime something bad happened to them.
 
Some people seemed to be finding it weird that it was even on the ship. The "males only" thing isn't that clumsy really. Vickers told Shaw to keep away from it when she saw it. She didn't want them using it because doing so (as we saw when Shaw tried) reveals it's configured for a male.

Perhaps it was for her dad, for when they maybe found something that would allow him to live forever? But then again, how would they know that something would require surgery?

I don't know man...questions on questions...
 
Dudes I loved this movie. Particularly how we inadvertently created the Aliens! And how the antagonist species in this film probably did the same with us.

The aliens that are called xenomorphs already existed before according to the mural on the wall of the big head room. The xeno at the end was just one xeno being inadvertently created but its not the first one.
 
I guess if GAF made movies each character would spend about a week crying in a corner anytime something bad happened to them.
No. There's only so many times a person can willfully suspend their disbelief when characters behave in ways that defy logic. I could have accepted one character carrying the idiot ball, but, by the end, pretty much the entire ensemble had taken a turn at fumbling it around the place.
 
Perhaps it was for her dad, for when they maybe found something that would allow him to live forever? But then again, how would they know that something would require surgery?

I don't know man...questions on questions...

I just figured that for a guy so obsessed with his own well being he would always want to have the best medical resources on hand at all times. Especially since he is millions of miles away from a hospital, on an unknown planet.
 
This leads into the second issue mainly that humans were given directions to a military installation. Think about that for a second. Why of all places, a military installation instead of some remote colony to establish contact(they obviously didn't want to give humans directions to their home planet in case we as a race turned out to be evil or warlike)?
Why do people assume because they stumbled on what "seemed" to be a military base, all of a sudden the whole planet is a base? That would be the equivalent of landing in a military test base in the middle of a dessert here on Earth and assume that the whole planet is one big testing ground.
 
I just figured that for a guy so obsessed with his own well being he would always want to have the best medical resources on hand at all times. Especially since he is millions of miles away from a hospital, on an unknown planet.

This makes perfect sense too. Not sure why people are confused by it.
 
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