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[jdl]

Yeah, I don't get why they didn't just, you know, cast an actual old person.

deliberate uncanny valley

 

[Ashhong]

Final scene is the worst thing about the movie. Totally unnecessary, pointless even and implies all the wrong things about the rest of the film's intentions. Up til then to could've watched the movie knowing nothing about Alien or whatever. That scene thoug, implies something specific they can't expect people to not understand.

I thought it was just a nice nod to Alien, what is wrong with it? Is it just the fact that it was at the end? I think the Alien fans would have complained "why where there no chestbursters!" if it wasnt in there..

 

[commedieu]

but alien you do kind of have to imagine a lot, because of what they show you on the engineer ship. that's what a huge chunk of the mythology of the series is, it's speculation on the space jockey stuff they show you in alien. aliens is just a straightforward action movie, so you don't have to imagine anything, and that's fine too. it doesn't really try to explain very much either, but what it brings up doesn't really need explaining most of the time.

also, i'd probably watch a david lynch batman movie

edit: and part of what was exciting about this pre-release was the possibility that scott would make something like the original alien, that had a mythology to it. and i think he did deliver mythology, just that the questions he answered created more questions. the crappy writing didn't really help much, but i do think the bulk of this movies flaws were script-based.

In Alien you were lost into the characters. So You were with the crew when they found the Space Jockey. It was WEIRD, it was alien, don't touch anything, but lets keep our heads on our shoulders. You didn't need to speculate, as far as its purpose in the film. You understood what it was, something weird. Sure, afterward you could wonder about "man I wonder where that elephant thing came from!" But that was after a cohesive movie unfolded in front of you. Thats all I really wanted. All of this is fun to talk about. But huge let down, and I agree I blame the script for it.

 

[maharg]

So a thought I've had lately is that we assume for very little reason that the Engineers ever had benevolent intentions. Maybe they were breeding humans specifically in order to create xenomorphs from us, and that requires a particular level of development to achieve.

 

[Horse Detective]

So a thought I've had lately is that we assume for very little reason that the Engineers ever had benevolent intentions. Maybe they were breeding humans specifically in order to create xenomorphs from us, and that requires a particular level of development to achieve.

This is far too avp for my taste.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I thought it was just a nice nod to Alien, what is wrong with it? Is it just the fact that it was at the end? I think the Alien fans would have complained "why where there no chestbursters!" if it wasnt in there..

To me,, it says "expect Alien shit in the sequel!", which is not what I want this series to be about. I want it to be Shaw's journey, why humanity was created, what the engineers are truly about. I want this series to be its own thing. Not some direct Alien tie in thing.

More simply, the final scene tells people "this is a prequel!". Everything before that says "this is the same universe, but something bigger than the Alien movies is going on." the final scene doesn't jive at all with the rest of the film for me.

 

[FreedomFrisbee]

Final scene is the worst thing about the movie. Totally unnecessary, pointless even and implies all the wrong things about the rest of the film's intentions. Up til then you could've watched the movie knowing nothing about Alien or whatever. That scene thoug, implies something specific they can't expect people to not understand.

It really seemed like it was supposed to be an after credits scene and someone said NOPE CANT HAVE THAT. But it was after the epilogue so it's not really too different.

To me,, it says "expect Alien shit in the sequel!", which is not what I want this series to be about. I want it to be Shaw's journey, why humanity was created, what the engineers are truly about. I want this series to be its own thing. Not some direct Alien tie in thing.

More simply, the final scene tells people "this is a prequel!". Everything before that says "this is the same universe, but something bigger than the Alien movies is going on." the final scene doesn't jive at all with the rest of the film for me.

Well, its more it allows it to branch into an unrelated movie and also be a prequel.

 

[Oldschoolgamer]

As an Alien fan, my gripes with the ending sequence probably had more to do with Shuma Gorath popping up from the Chaos dimension than the actual Xenomorph being born. Shit seemed super rushed to me and last minute.

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

This is far too avp for my taste.

How do Predators fit into this? LOL

 

[Ashhong]

To me,, it says "expect Alien shit in the sequel!", which is not what I want this series to be about. I want it to be Shaw's journey, why humanity was created, what the engineers are truly about. I want this series to be its own thing. Not some direct Alien tie in thing.

More simply, the final scene tells people "this is a prequel!". Everything before that says "this is the same universe, but something bigger than the Alien movies is going on." the final scene doesn't jive at all with the rest of the film for me.

Hmm..to me yes, it does say expect more Alien connections in Prom 2, but I don't agree with the second part. It doesn't scream "this is a prequel!" any more than having a Space Jockey imo.

 

[commedieu]

To me,, it says "expect Alien shit in the sequel!", which is not what I want this series to be about. I want it to be Shaw's journey, why humanity was created, what the engineers are truly about. I want this series to be its own thing. Not some direct Alien tie in thing.

More simply, the final scene tells people "this is a prequel!". Everything before that says "this is the same universe, but something bigger than the Alien movies is going on." the final scene doesn't jive at all with the rest of the film for me.

Same issue. It felt tacked on, and looked horrible. The Alien didn't even burst out of the chest, it pretty much walked out of a Engineer suit. I was 100% fine with this just being about the Engineers. I accepted I wouldn't see any Xenomorphs. Hell thinking about it now, its almost insulting! heh

How do Predators fit into this? LOL

Predators drop alien eggs on planets to create Xenomorphs..

 

[ryutaro's mama]

So a thought I've had lately is that we assume for very little reason that the Engineers ever had benevolent intentions. Maybe they were breeding humans specifically in order to create xenomorphs from us, and that requires a particular level of development to achieve.

If you go back and read my responses, this is exactly what I believe.

Earth was a controlled experiment/breeding ground for subjects to test their bio-weapons on without involving their own species on a large scale (since we have the same genetic code).

That was their purpose for seeding Earth, imo.

 

[FreedomFrisbee]

As an Alien fan, my gripes with the ending sequence probably had more to do with Shuma Gorath popping up from the Chaos dimension than the actual Xenomorph being born. Shit seemed super rushed to me and last minute.

When I realized it was a giant face hugger I was fine with it.

 

[Jarmel]

So a thought I've had lately is that we assume for very little reason that the Engineers ever had benevolent intentions. Maybe they were breeding humans specifically in order to create xenomorphs from us, and that requires a particular level of development to achieve.

We can get xenosnakes from worms, intelligence or technological development seems irrelevant.

 

[Horse Detective]

How do Predators fit into this? LOL

Oh god no, never, I just was referencing the using human hosts thing. I just don't think it is a good motive for the "Xenomorphs", if that is what other fans want to call them.

 

[Rickard]

I would love to see an engineer predator crossover.

 

[commedieu]

If you go back and read my responses, this is exactly what I believe.

Earth was a controlled experiment/breeding ground for subjects to test their bio-weapons on without involving their own species on a large scale (since we have the same genetic code).

That was their purpose for seeding Earth, imo.

So do you think the Engineers played god when they visited earth?

 

[smokeymicpot]

I thought it was just a nice nod to Alien, what is wrong with it? Is it just the fact that it was at the end? I think the Alien fans would have complained "why where there no chestbursters!" if it wasnt in there..

At one point I thought there was gonna be a chestburster to be honest.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

So do you think the Engineers played god when they visited earth?

Absolutely yes.

 

[Miggytronz]

Predators drop alien eggs on planets to create Xenomorphs..

THEY ARE THE GODS. OMG. Jockey's are the puppets.

 

[Erigu]

He was trying to keep them calm. Did you not notice how distressed Elba was?

Was he? I think I remember him winking at his happy suicide pals.
And then he just up and left to fuck Vickers.
So concerned.

The next morning: "Hey, did something happen? Man, too bad we weren't recording that shit."

I don't see what the point is of nitpicking at it when it didn't do them any harm.

Running in a straight line was stupid, as Vickers died.
Running is a straight line wasn't stupid, as Shaw survived.
Paradoxical!
Or maybe it was stupid in both cases, even if one of the two characters got lucky.

Same thing with the helmets. Just because they weren't infected because of that doesn't mean all those characters didn't act like complete morons within minutes of exploring the damn site. You'd think a crack team of expert scientists wouldn't do shit like that.
(and I think it's funny how the movie shoots itself in the foot later on by having Shaw theorize that maybe Holloway got infected like that... why would you go there now, movie?)

Well... yeah. Peter Waylen is a hundred year old trillionaire crazy motherfucker searching for immortality and the creator of mankind. Dude obviously does not give a shit.

We weren't talking about him, there.
(that being said, wouldn't he want the expedition to be successful? all the scientists dying of space flu on the first day would be a bit of a bummer)

"My bedroom is an emergency lifepod. You know, in case we need to make cocktails and play piano after the ship blows up."

Hahaha!

i mean the whole first act kind of portrays holloway as one of those EXTREEEME science people, who are there for the thrill as much or more than the science, and it wouldn't really surprise me for him to take off his helmet, and after that i would guess the other people would just kinda follow suit

The others really didn't have to follow suit.
"Yeaaah! It's breathable, you guys, check this out!
-I'm happy for you. Enjoy the quarantine when we get back."

You guys say it was a "cavalier trillion dollar mission" are criticizing the scientists who didn't give a fuck about the company

How about their own fucking lives?

well that alien on the lifeboat was in vickers' private lifeboat, which nobody was supposed to be allowed in, and david is arguably the only one who knew about the pregnancy.

Why Shaw didn't tell anyone (or why nobody asked why she looks like hell / what's up with those huge staples) is another matter...

 

[Horse Detective]

I would love to see an engineer predator crossover.

 

[bob_arctor]

for some reason when she called him father i debated whether or not that meant he was her dad or that she was an android, since david calls him father as well.

I was hoping she survived so that she'd take over Weyland and thus be the "Mother" that contacts the Nostromo in Alien.

 

[commedieu]

Running is a straight line wasn't stupid, as Shaw survived.

She did a barrel roll and survived.

 

[Ashhong]

At one point I thought there was gonna be a chestburster to be honest.

Would you have been disappointed if there was no chestburster whatsoever?

 

[DrForester]

Whoops.

 

[Horse Detective]

She did a barrel roll and survived.

One barrel roll, hundreds of feet

No! god damnit, no! Burn it!

 

[Ollie Pooch]

I love doing that when I'm oh, I don't know, reading a book? But this is an ALIENS movie for christ sake. You didn't have to Imagine anything in Alien.. you didn't have to delve deep down inside of your psyche to enjoy Vasquez. The only age old question about the series, and its really only in aliens was;

Where is bowsky?

I get where you're coming from. But again, Imagine if batman begins was done by david lynch. There is a time and a place, this movie is directly related to other source material which is remedial at best. I don't see a movie like this, to have to go home and imagine a better movie.

Paging Sculli.

 

[maharg]

This is far too avp for my taste.

Who cares what AVP did or didn't do, it's nonsense. Just pretend it doesn't exist.

I love doing that when I'm oh, I don't know, reading a book? But this is an ALIENS movie for christ sake. You didn't have to Imagine anything in Alien.. you didn't have to delve deep down inside of your psyche to enjoy Vasquez. The only age old question about the series, and its really only in aliens was;

Where is bowsky?

This isn't an Aliens movie, it's an Alien movie. I think it's probably best to consider the canon split into at least three distinct lines at this point.

Prometheus + Alien
Alien + Aliens (feeling generous? Throw Alien 3 in)
Alien -> AVP2 (this is the darkest of all timelines)

 

[smokeymicpot]

Would you have been disappointed if there was no chestburster whatsoever?

Honestly I am disappointed thinking about this movie. Everything was going right then it came out. Turned out to be Rated R, some what prequel to Alien. Then I saw it. If the characters weren't totally dumb maybe it would have been better.

 

[Ether_Snake]

i don't think it was necessarily an invitation, that really just seemed to be an opinion that only shaw had, at the beginning of the movie, then changed her mind once she realized what was going on

though i think there's a bunch of theories you could come up with for an invitation too

But humans could not have known about the star system themselves. So it was purposely given to humans by the jockeys. Why? Ridley Scott clearly says that they eventually were unhappy with humans and decided to kill them. So it's logical that they would have had given them the star map way back when they still thought humans were a good idea. But why a star map to what at least ended up as, if it wasn't always, a military facility?

The only explanation I could have is that back when they gave the star map, the moon had another purpose, probably a meeting point of some sort with humans. The temple might in fact just be an ancient meeting point built a long time ago waiting for humans. It's only later that it was turned into a military facility.

I think we really have to take what Scott says in interviews as facts. Very old stuff from Alien 1's conception were kept as true, so it's likely that all his ideas remain true to what Prometheus is about. So the whole "they changed their mind after being disappointed with us" thing should be considered fact IMO.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Where is bowsky?

Not Bowsky...

Wierzbowski

Private Trevor Wierzbowski
Private Wierzbowski (Trevor Steedman) is barely seen at all in the film. He is injured when the ammunition bag, which had been carried by Frost, detonates and is then attacked and either killed or taken by an Alien off-screen. It's presumed he died shortly after since Hudson did not mention his vital signs when he noticed Apone's and Dietrich's. He was armed with a flamethrower. The novelization by Alan Dean Foster states that Ripley liked Wierzbowski.

 

[Ashhong]

Honestly I am disappointed thinking about this movie. Everything was going right then it came out. Turned out to be Rated R, some what prequel to Alien. Then I saw it. If the characters weren't totally dumb maybe it would have been better.

I'm glad I am able to overlook their somewhat dumbness and just enjoy the film. The movie was so fast paced for most of it that I just quickly forgot their mistakes and moved on.

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

Oh god no, never, I just was referencing the using human hosts thing. I just don't think it is a good motive for the "Xenomorphs", if that is what other fans want to call them.

I was trying to be sarcastic with the LOL, predators have no rationale to come into these films.

 

[smokeymicpot]

I'm glad I am able to overlook their somewhat dumbness and just enjoy the film. The movie was so fast paced for most of it that I just quickly forgot their mistakes and moved on.

I forgot the mistakes then me and my buddy talked about it at work. Just made me upset even more. It reminds me of how I felt when I watched Indiana Jones 4 if that is a real movie.

 

[Horse Detective]

What did Weyland mean when he said:

"There is nothing", and Davids responds, "I know, have a nice journey", or something to that effect. Was he saying there is no afterlife, or heaven or something? Also, I thought this film would touch on life after death. Did it, and I missed it?

 

[commedieu]

But humans could not have known about the star system themselves. So it was purposely given to humans by the jockeys. Why? Ridley Scott clearly says that they eventually were unhappy with humans and decided to kill them. So it's logical that they would have had given them the star map way back when they still thought humans were a good idea. But why a star map to what at least ended up as, if it wasn't always, a military facility?

The only explanation I could have is that back when they gave the star map, the moon had another purpose, probably a meeting point of some sort with humans. The temple might in fact just be an ancient meeting point but a long time ago waiting for humans. It's only later that it was turned into a military facility.

I think we really have to take what Scott says in interviews as facts. Very old stuff from Alien 1's conception were kept as true, so it's likely that all his ideas remain true to what Prometheus is about. So the whole "they changed their mind after being disappointed with us" thing should be considered fact IMO.

One thing, It was assumed it was a military facility. Right? It was a temple, with a head inside, a Alien Mural as well.(Which corroded ??!??! or melted.. wtf happened there..) There were more than 1 ship on that planet, right?

But yes, This would explain why the Engineer killed Dave/the rest. If they changed their mind about humans, perhaps it was because they knew what would be created with the combination of the black goo and us. Just an ultimate threat....? Perhaps he wasn't going to earth, but back to Engineer planet B to catch up on the last 2000 years. Shaw had a feeling it was going to earth though.

 

[maharg]

Running in a straight line was stupid, as Vickers died.
Running is a straight line wasn't stupid, as Shaw survived.
Paradoxical!

Shaw veered off to the side, actually.

We can get xenosnakes from worms, intelligence or technological development seems irrelevant.

I think Ash' speech in Alien about the Xenomorph is really telling here. He describes them as a paragon of sorts, vicious and intelligent and uncaring. I think we're supposed to consider them something greater and more powerful than the average monster created by the goop.

 

[commedieu]

Not Bowsky...

Wierzbowski

I know... but for ages everyone thought he was saying WHERE IS BOWSKY.. WHERES BOWSKY?

"Because if you didn't realize there was actually a dude named Wierzbowski, you might have thought Hicks was frantically screaming "Where's Bowsky?" I'm not saying that was me, mind you. I'm just, you know, mentioning it."

"That is hilarious, awesome and scary, all at once. I remember when I first saw this as a kid and I thought Hicks was shouting "WHERE'S BOWSKY?! WHERE'S BOWSKY?!" And then I saw the name printed and I was like "what does that say?" Years later I realized I was mis-hearing and that I was an idiot. "

 

[subrock]

This should really have been part of the movie to make more sense of his intentions as well as David's: pre-knowledge of what they were looking for on that expedition.

It also would have been nice to establish exactly why we have a young actor in such terrible make up playing a geriatric.

 

[Erigu]

She did a barrel roll and survived.

Note how she immediately forgets about that valuable life lesson a few seconds later, when the ship starts falling on her once again and she tries to crawl away in the wrong direction. But she gets lucky, and a rock saves her from being flattened like Vickers was.

Shaw veered off to the side, actually.

Yes, she trips at some point, and I guess the shock makes her brain fire up for a brief instant (cue the barrel roll).
Still, I hope you see what point I was trying to make about people doing profoundly stupid things, and how they shouldn't be excused just because "it turned out all right".

 

[Chatin]

I'm still not entirely convinced that we were dealing with a military base. We have the temple, and then we have the ship, but bringing the two together doesn't really really spell military base to me.

There was clearly something going on with the goo in that temple room, and the way that it wasn't just the canisters reacting, but everything else as well. Are the canisters placed in the room to be filled with the black goo, that the Engineers later come back for to use in seeding the galaxy? Are the Engineers naively doing the legwork of the Xenomorphs? Is an attempt to return to Earth not necessarily because the humans did bad, but rather a last-minute realization by the Engineers that the humans will be used to breed Xenomorphs? A lot of stabbing in the dark, but I'm just not convinced. Just perhaps the star map isn't leading to the Engineer homeworld or to a military base, but rather what the Engineers believe to be the source of life in the galaxy.

Also, I feel that whatever was in the tomb beneath the green stone must have been noteworthy. Is it a Xenogod, having a part in the creation of the black goo?

EDIT: In trying to muddle together my thoughts, similar questions have just been asked. lol

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Holy shit! Just in this moment thought of this...

Not sure if anyone mentioned this but Weyland was basically Roy Batty, seeking out his maker, demanding more life.

:O

 

[commedieu]

Note how she immediately forgets about that valuable life lesson a few seconds later, when the ship starts falling on her once again and she tries to crawl away in the wrong direction. But she gets lucky, and a rock saves her from being flattened like Vickers was.

Well, to be honest, she was probably losing gallons of blood from that gaping hole in her that was only stapled shut by her skin, which most certainly ripped during, everything, she did immediately after having her mechbortion. Brain wasn't working too hot.

 

[Jarmel]

Note how she immediately forgets about that valuable life lesson a few seconds later, when the ship starts falling on her once again and she tries to crawl away in the wrong direction. But she gets lucky, and a rock saves her from being flattened like Vickers was.

Whenever in doubt,

 

[Erigu]

Well, to be honest, she was probably losing gallons of blood from that gaping hole in her that was only stapled shut by her skin, which most certainly ripped during, everything, she did immediately after having her mechbortion. Brain wasn't working too hot.

True, that's an excuse Vickers didn't have.
Still, Shaw soldiered up right after that, so I guess she didn't lose her staples during the whole ordeal.

 

[Ether_Snake]

One thing, It was assumed it was a military facility. Right? It was a temple, with a head inside, a Alien Mural as well.(Which corroded ??!??! or melted.. wtf happened there..) There were more than 1 ship on that planet, right?

But yes, This would explain why the Engineer killed Dave/the rest. If they changed their mind about humans, perhaps it was because they knew what would be created with the combination of the black goo and us. Just an ultimate threat....? Perhaps he wasn't going to earth, but back to Engineer planet B to catch up on the last 2000 years. Shaw had a feeling it was going to earth though.

If we forget the star map's purpose for a second, I still see it as likely that the "temple" and the Tomb (which is exactly what it is since it was spelled out to be as such), were booby-trapped, or a black goo collection system. The cargo hold's vials, which were in the SHIP, not the temple, and stacked horizontally, implies that those vials are STORED. The ones in the tomb are placed vertically in arcs, as if placed carefully, in front of the giant head. They are placed there almost ceremonially. Basically, they are ACTIVE versions of the stored vials found in the cargo hold, unlike the stored vials, these have a purpose in being positioned there.

David takes one with him, and in it are bottles with black liquid. What is not clear is the purpose of the vials being placed in that room. Are they placed there to collect goo? Or are they a sort of alarm/trap system to kill those who go in?

If they are there to collect goo, we can imagine the jockeys go there, collect it (almost as if taking an offering), and store it in their ships and leave with them.

If they are there a bit like mines, it might explain why the murals start to erase: the thing is erasing the murals because the humans are not supposed to see them, it is not meant for them, and they must die. In that case, the ship may have landed, and the vials were placed there by the jockeys, potentially because they knew humans (or other species) had been invited there.

 

[Horse Detective]

What did Weyland mean when he said:

"There is nothing", and Davids responds, "I know, have a nice journey", or something to that effect. Was he saying there is no afterlife, or heaven or something? Also, I thought this film would touch on life after death. Did it, and I missed it?

Quoting this for new page.

 

[maharg]

Note how she immediately forgets about that valuable life lesson a few seconds later, when the ship starts falling on her once again and she tries to crawl away in the wrong direction. But she gets lucky, and a rock saves her from being flattened like Vickers was.



Yes, she trips at some point, and I guess the shock makes her brain fire up for a brief instant (cue the barrel roll).
Still, I hope you see what point I was trying to make about people doing profoundly stupid things, and how they shouldn't be excused just because "it turned out all right".

It's just the nature of horror movies that people do stupid things. It's almost essential to the formula in that it allows a certain catharsis to be able to say "*I* would do better if it were *me*." I defy you to name a horror (or thriller) film where people don't do stupid shit that runs against common sense.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Quoting this for new page.

There is nothing as in: there is nothing for us, no purpose to be proud of, no answers.

David knows, he is a robot after all. He already felt this way.