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it's weyland-yutani in this movie.

well that alien on the lifeboat was in vickers' private lifeboat, which nobody was supposed to be allowed in, and david is arguably the only one who knew about the pregnancy. the people in the biohazard suits trying to put shaw in cryo don't necessarily know she's pregnant, just that she might be sick. so i can buy that nobody would notice the alien in there given all the other ridiculous shit going on. it seems pretty likely that david was under orders to bring back specimens to W-Y, and when his best opportunities (infected holloway, pregnant shaw) failed he gave up on it. the same thing happens in all 3 alien movies, that theme of WYC trying to bring back alien life (usually for use as a bioweapon)

Nope, just Weyland. The Weyland-Yutani merger isn't until later.

I don't think David was directed to bring specimens back. I think he was trying to find a living Engineer as quickly as possible; infecting Charlie was his method of "trying harder" and when that failed, freezing Shaw was the best way to isolate the problem.
 
Here's a question. Why does it matter if they know? He paid for the damn adventure, he's entitled to ask a few questions.
If people know Weyland never returned from a space expedition, they will come looking for him, and that very well could mean the human race is doomed.

Which is kind of why I found it so weird that Vickers actually died in this movie. I guess Weyland inc has a variety of board members that can run the company in her absence.
 
do people really want every little thing explained? did alien explain anything other than the fact that they are unfriendly?

When it comes to pretty much everything I view, I go in with the mindset that the only person that can come close to satisfying every one of my expectations, is myself.

I don't go into movies with a checklist of things I want explained. I enjoyed this because it was far from what I was expecting, and I was happy that it was left open. The only issue with the plot I really have is the LV-426 Space Jockey not once being seen. I was looking forward to at least one scene showing how he got there.
 
Nope, just Weyland. The Weyland-Yutani merger isn't until later.

I don't think David was directed to bring specimens back. I think he was trying to find a living Engineer as quickly as possible; infecting Charlie was his method of "trying harder" and when that failed, freezing Shaw was the best way to isolate the problem.

oh whoops

i think david's actions are so ambiguous that it's impossible to tell, and that is part of the reason fassbender's performance was so good. it's not 100% clear that he's talking to weyland either, so i dunno i like to believe in the 'recovering samples' theory that shows up in the original trilogy
 
When it comes to pretty much everything I view, I go in with the mindset that the only person that can come close to satisfying every one of my expectations, is myself.

I don't go into movies with a checklist of things I want explained. I enjoyed this because it was far from what I was expecting, and I was happy that it was left open. The only issue with the plot I really have is the LV-426 Space Jockey not once being seen. I was looking forward to at least one scene showing how he got there.

i was actually satisfied just seeing an engineer looking like the space jockey in the chair at some point because at that point i think 'oh, so something similar must have happened on LV-426', and my mind just fills in the rest.

i think the split of opinions in this movie really highlights the different approaches people have to interpreting film, and none of them are necessarily right or wrong.
 
do people really want every little thing explained? did alien explain anything other than the fact that they are unfriendly?

I like how you write that, yet have a 10 page theory about what happened. Everyone has a theory about what happened, and confusion, as the movie didn't end like Alien or Aliens did.(The reason people saw it..) And most were hoping that there would be some questions answered at least about the origins of the aliens, at least.

It sure as hell didn't progress like Alien or Alien did, and it didn't leave a plot hole for every 15 minutes. Prometheus was a very different film than Alien, the story was told in such a different way that its clearly open to interpretation. There is absolutely nothing in Alien---4, I'd imagine, that leads the lore to this type of openness. Sure, its fun to speculate. But its unfortunate that this is the direction it went. Beautiful movie, bad, bad story.

i was actually satisfied just seeing an engineer looking like the space jockey in the chair at some point because at that point i think 'oh, so something similar must have happened on LV-426', and my mind just fills in the rest.

i think the split of opinions in this movie really highlights the different approaches people have to interpreting film, and none of them are necessarily right or wrong.

Yeah. I want to see that movie one day.

I still can't believe how much of this movie was given away in the trailer.


Pretty much. My media blackout was pointless.
 
Nope, just Weyland. The Weyland-Yutani merger isn't until later.

Holy Jesus good god Almighty. Look at Weyland's company valuation and stock price. They are worth 218 trillion dollars. What the fuck.

They also have 800 million employees. They own the world.

Prometheus itself cost 2 trillion and Weyland put up half.
 
i think the split of opinions in this movie really highlights the different approaches people have to interpreting film, and none of them are necessarily right or wrong.

Yes. Part of this I like, because I feel more comfortable having my own reasons for having enjoyed something, and part of this I hate because I know there is such a small group of people that saw the same redeeming qualities in it that I did.

That being said, I understand the writing gripes. The only odd dialogue I fixated on was between Noomi and Elba in her room. It was the most odd, sporadic conversation in the film imo. Not sure why, it just felt out of no where.
 
I like how you write that, yet have a 10 page theory about what happened..
i don't want every little thing explained because i want the opportunity to imagine my own explanations

It sure as hell didn't progress like Alien or Alien did, and it didn't leave a plot hole for every 15 minutes. Prometheus was a very different film than Alien, the story was told in such a different way that its clearly open to interpretation. There is absolutely nothing in Alien---4, I'd imagine, that leads the lore to this type of openness. Sure, its fun to speculate. But its unfortunate that this is the direction it went. Beautiful movie, bad, bad story.
i think the original alien leaves the most openness, with the engineer ship on LV-426, the space jockey, the hall of eggs. but i think that's what makes it a good because you sit there speculating about their significance. aliens, 3 and resurrection don't really do that much but they are both pretty straight forward sci fi action.
 
The should have only had the following characters:

Shaw
Halloway
Vickers
Geologist
Wayland
Idris

The rest could have been cut out and you wouldn't even notice.

There were apparently 17 people on board, I can't remember more than 10! Add to the above list that welsh woman, the two copilots, and the biologist.

Where we're the rest at?!
David?
 
Dear Hollywood,

Stop using old age makeup.

It doesn't work. It takes the viewer straight out of the movie with a bang.

Stop it.

Just stop.

No, you won't get it right next time. No.

Quit it.
 
Pretty much. My media blackout was pointless.

Yeah they finally found a way to get past media blackouts. Spoil everything in the teaser or the first actual trailer. Now I wish the new Spider-man would do something like that.

Having Guy Pearce in the opening credits kind of gave that part away that he was going to be coming back. They pulled a Lost move with that.
 
Man, that quote just gets it. People want backstories, but really, I feel for characters when I feel the situation they're in regardless of the history prior to. And this movie was loaded with moments where I felt exactly as the characters did.
Who said anything about wanting backstories? We simply wanted believable, logical character behaviour.
 
It is such an odd thing to imagine, after watching this.

Months ago, I was under the impression that this movie was about that very untold story.
yea after one of the trailers that shows an engineer in the chair like on LV-426 i kind of thought it was going to be about LV-426
 
Perhaps those who immensely enjoyed the movie's "multilayered" meanings and ambiguities will perhaps have their time better served by solving Raven's Matrices, Sudoku, or Rohrsach tests.

Better served? Why would our time need to be better served when we liked the movie? Your insult has even more holes than Prometheus. :-P
 
Dear Hollywood,

Stop using old age makeup.

It doesn't work. It takes the viewer straight out of the movie with a bang.

Stop it.

Just stop.

No, you won't get it right next time. No.

Quit it.
Pearce looked like he was wearing two inches thick of Makeup, a full on mask. It was crazy.
 
i don't want every little thing explained because i want the opportunity to imagine my own explanations

I love doing that when I'm oh, I don't know, reading a book? But this is an ALIENS movie for christ sake. You didn't have to Imagine anything in Alien.. you didn't have to delve deep down inside of your psyche to enjoy Vasquez. The only age old question about the series, and its really only in aliens was;

Where is bowsky?

I get where you're coming from. But again, Imagine if batman begins was done by david lynch. There is a time and a place, this movie is directly related to other source material which is remedial at best. I don't see a movie like this, to have to go home and imagine a better movie.

Who said anything about wanting backstories? We simply wanted believable, logical character behavior.

Fucking spotless indeed. EXACTLY. I wanted a decent story arc, with at least one or two issues resolved during the course of the story, not just leaving everything open for the DLC/Sequel next year.
 
Just to clarify, since people might have missed what I wrote before:

The flute-chair is a communications deck, NOT a piloting deck. The hologram recording shows them going to sleep, with one of them sending communications out to Earth before going to bed himself.

The dentist chair is the piloting chair.

So the jockey crew of that ship never tried to leave the planet: they sent out a message, probably to fellow jockeys on Earth (this happened far back in time, so probably at a time when the jockeys were still on Earth), then went to sleep, probably hoping for help one day, but preferring not to risk contaminating others by leaving.

THAT ties in nicely to Alien 1: another ship on that same moon DID potentially leave, one that was infected: the pilot in the dentist chair from Alien 1.

When the humans wake up the jockey, he realizes the danger is gone, and also that humans have made their way to the moon. He attacks them and decides to fly the ship away, presumably to Earth (possibly thinking he is going back to his jockey crew, or thinking he has to stop humans immediately).

So the jockeys came to that moon to collect goo (the temple seems to be a breeding ground for it), fill up their ships, but something happened and they had to stay because they might be infected.

This leaves the question: why were the humans ever given an invitation to that location?
 
I love doing that when I'm oh, I don't know, reading a book? But this is an ALIENS movie for christ sake. You didn't have to Imagine anything in Alien.. you didn't have to delve deep down inside of your psyche to enjoy Vasquez. The only age old question about the series, and its really only in aliens was;

Where is bowsky?

I get where you're coming from. But again, Imagine if batman begins was done by david lynch. There is a time and a place, this movie is directly related to other source material which is remedial at best. I don't see a movie like this, to have to go home and imagine a better movie.
but alien you do kind of have to imagine a lot, because of what they show you on the engineer ship. that's what a huge chunk of the mythology of the series is, it's speculation on the space jockey stuff they show you in alien. aliens is just a straightforward action movie, so you don't have to imagine anything, and that's fine too. it doesn't really try to explain very much either, but what it brings up doesn't really need explaining most of the time.

also, i'd probably watch a david lynch batman movie

edit: and part of what was exciting about this pre-release was the possibility that scott would make something like the original alien, that had a mythology to it. and i think he did deliver mythology, just that the questions he answered created more questions. the crappy writing didn't really help much, but i do think the bulk of this movies flaws were script-based.
 

Guy Pearce's old age makeup was awful. It sucks. It never works in movies. In Benjamin Button the entire FX budget was spent on it and it still looked bad.

yea after one of the trailers that shows an engineer in the chair like on LV-426 i kind of thought it was going to be about LV-426

I think it was about LV-426 until the storyline got leaked. And Fox being Fox, they panicked and forced some changes to be made. But since it was so late in the game there was no way to re-shoot some of the larger, more complex scenes or start over on the CGI, so they just left it as it was. I'm becoming more and more certain that's what happened.

http://io9.com/5816884/if-this-is-a...or-ridley-scotts-prometheus-just-shoot-us-now
 
Having Guy Pearce in the opening credits kind of gave that part away that he was going to be coming back. They pulled a Lost move with that.
I assumed he was just in there for the mission briefing hologram. But then again, I should have noticed the difference between his billing and Patrick Wilson's lack of such.
 
That's the question which I want answered the most
i don't think it was necessarily an invitation, that really just seemed to be an opinion that only shaw had, at the beginning of the movie, then changed her mind once she realized what was going on

though i think there's a bunch of theories you could come up with for an invitation too
 
It was definitely a bit gritty, but god damn, he is 114 years old.

Is this really an issue with people here?
It was my biggest gripe coming out of the film. It looked ridiculous. Just hire an older actor.

Of course, after reading more comments and thoughts, I've developed bigger gripes. I could accept the geologist getting lost, but I hadn't really considered the unaccounted for vehicles or the Crew locations present on Prometheus' holographic mapping.
 
Dear Hollywood,

Stop using old age makeup.

It doesn't work. It takes the viewer straight out of the movie with a bang.

Stop it.

Just stop.

No, you won't get it right next time. No.

Quit it.

Someone was laughing at it when he showed up.

Honestly, as goofy as it sounds, I half expected young Weyland to be there. Because outside of that viral video, casting Guy Pearce as an old man is an unusual decision.
 
I had a lot of fun watching it.

My main gripes with it have already been addressed: lack of character depth amongst the crew, not having a good feel of what david's motivation is, the fan-service ending,
And guy pearce's makeup...geez


I dont get the people treating it like some kind of abomination, but to each their own I guess.
 
Were the "Hammerpedes" practical effects?

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Someone was laughing at it when he showed up.

Honestly, as goofy as it sounds, I half expected young Weyland to be there. Because outside of that viral video, casting Guy Pearce as an old man is an unusual decision.
I thought young Weyland was gonna pop up as an android or some advanced "old brain in a new body" thing, not just a straight up old man.
 
i don't think it was necessarily an invitation, that really just seemed to be an opinion that only shaw had, at the beginning of the movie, then changed her mind once she realized what was going on

though i think there's a bunch of theories you could come up with for an invitation too

Why would the engineers keep coming back to earth and give the same messages to different civilizations? As I said earlier. It doesn't make sense that it was a warning as the likelihood of finding that planet out of the billions out there is far smaller than if they tell us about it and we go there out of curiosity.
 
Just to clarify, since people might have missed what I wrote before:

The flute-chair is a communications deck, NOT a piloting deck. The hologram recording shows them going to sleep, with one of them sending communications out to Earth before going to bed himself.

The dentist chair is the piloting chair.

So the jockey crew of that ship never tried to leave the planet: they sent out a message, probably to fellow jockeys on Earth (this happened far back in time, so probably at a time when the jockeys were still on Earth), then went to sleep, probably hoping for help one day, but preferring not to risk contaminating others by leaving.

THAT ties in nicely to Alien 1: another ship on that same moon DID potentially leave, one that was infected: the pilot in the dentist chair from Alien 1.

When the humans wake up the jockey, he realizes the danger is gone, and also that humans have made their way to the moon. He attacks them and decides to fly the ship away, presumably to Earth (possibly thinking he is going back to his jockey crew, or thinking he has to stop humans immediately).

So the jockeys came to that moon to collect goo (the temple seems to be a breeding ground for it), fill up their ships, but something happened and they had to stay because they might be infected.

This leaves the question: why were the humans ever given an invitation to that location?

Brilliant! Haha, awesome mind there buddy!


Lets see, ancient people did worship the engineers. And the Engineers showed ancient man where they were from. Man would evolve one day to develop the technology to travel to the coordinates. The Engineer didn't have a knee jerk reaction, lets remember this. He observed first, and acted later. As said earlier, people were worshiping the Engineers. Perhaps there was some sort of complex going on, maybe he was insulted by the robot we created. Some sort of abomination?

He immediately tried to leave, and take the ship with the goo on it. I do not think he was infected, he didn't appear to be. The ship wasn't damaged or broken, its fully capable of flight. So some how that engineer was sleep, missed all of what was going on(ooze exploding bodies, engineers killing and running away from each other?) and didn't get infected. Does anyone remember him punching in the coordinates to earth? When he was flying...?
 
Why would the engineers keep coming back to earth and give the same messages to different civilizations? As I said earlier. It doesn't make sense that it was a warning as the likelihood of finding that planet out of the billions out there is far smaller than if they tell us about it and we go there out of curiosity.

maybe it was really just a map like originally thought by the guy in the crew, i mean you can draw a map to a place and not actually be inviting somebody there
 
The finale scene seemed like a last minute thing. I can imagine them sitting down thinking do we really want to make this a Alien prequel some how? That scene seemed more fit for a post credit scene too. Then again they probably assumed everyone left pissed off need to cheer them up some how.

The Engineer partied to hard the night before and couldn't fly drunk. So he passed out and waited to be woken up by humans in a ship filled with shit that will kill everyone.
 
The should have only had the following characters:

Shaw
Halloway
Vickers
Geologist
Wayland
Idris

The rest could have been cut out and you wouldn't even notice.

There were apparently 17 people on board, I can't remember more than 10! Add to the above list that welsh woman, the two copilots, and the biologist.

Where we're the rest at?!
Movie would have been fine with just David and Shaw. Everyone else is a one-note caricature who acts as the plot demands.

I really don't even understand why Vickers is in the movie at all, and old Guy Pearce was handled about as bad as could be.
 
Brilliant! Haha, awesome mind there buddy!


Lets see, ancient people did worship the engineers. And the Engineers showed ancient man where they were from. Man would evolve one day to develop the technology to travel to the coordinates. The Engineer didn't have a knee jerk reaction, lets remember this. He observed first, and acted later. As said earlier, people were worshiping the Engineers. Perhaps there was some sort of complex going on, maybe he was insulted by the robot we created. Some sort of abomination?

He immediately tried to leave, and take the ship with the goo on it. I do not think he was infected, he didn't appear to be. The ship wasn't damaged or broken, its fully capable of flight. So some how that engineer was sleep, missed all of what was going on(ooze exploding bodies, engineers killing and running away from each other?) and didn't get infected. Does anyone remember him punching in the coordinates to earth? When he was flying...?
i think he was hiding in the cryostasis chamber in order to avoid all the killing and running away from each other. he clearly pressed stuff to get the thing flying, i don't think any of us would recognize what the correct combination to go to earth would be anyway.
 
The finale scene seemed like a last minute thing. I can imagine them sitting down thinking do we really want to make this a Alien prequel some how? That scene seemed more fit for a post credit scene too. Then again they probably assumed everyone left pissed off need to cheer them up some how.

The Engineer partied to hard the night before and couldn't fly drunk. So he passed out and waited to be woken up by humans in a ship filled with shit that will kill everyone.
Final scene is the worst thing about the movie. Totally unnecessary, pointless even and implies all the wrong things about the rest of the film's intentions. Up til then you could've watched the movie knowing nothing about Alien or whatever. That scene thoug, implies something specific they can't expect people to not understand.
 
Dear Hollywood,

Stop using old age makeup.

It doesn't work. It takes the viewer straight out of the movie with a bang.

Stop it.

Just stop.

No, you won't get it right next time. No.

Quit it.

Yeah, I don't get why they didn't just, you know, cast an actual old person.
 
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