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[Chatin]

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Reading it as no afterlife would be a suitable reading. David can so agree with Weyland so easily, because for David who "has no soul", it's clearly black and white that there is living and there is not living.

EDIT: Damn you, Snake.

 

[Jarmel]

It's just the nature of horror movies that people do stupid things. It's almost essential to the formula in that it allows a certain catharsis to be able to say "*I* would do better if it were *me*." I defy you to name a horror (or thriller) film where people don't do stupid shit that runs against common sense.

Sunshine?

 

[Jado]

David could have told him at one point, but yea, we will never know. Either way I don't see it as a plot hole as some.



I guess...but they did have those scanners testing the CO2 and it was confirmed safe by David. I don't see what the point is of nitpicking at it when it didn't do them any harm.

Nitpicking? They're scientists and supposed to be professional. Safety is never taken for granted. Their equipment and an Earth robot don't know everything about this alien environment. Removing helmets was easily one of the dumbest moments in the film and actually, it should have done them harm. The air inside was clean of excess CO2, but common bacteria on surfaces and in the air should have done serious harm to everyone.

 

[maharg]

Sunshine?

Diverting for the Icarus 1 in the first place.

 

[Erigu]

It's just the nature of horror movies that people do stupid things.

I can't say I agree with that. It happens a lot, sure, but I don't believe it's unavoidable and should be considered a given.

 

[Slackbladder]

I saw it last week and generally enjoyed it. There are, however, numerous plot holes and lacks character development (as well as having characters who exist simply to be killed). But complaining about the logic of the film is irrelevant as the single biggest flaw is the fact that they went to another star system at all in the space of what, 2 years? If the film requires you to ignore that problem, you may as well ignore all the others. It was a fun ride. That's all.

It irritates me how the difficulties of space flight is just routinely ignored in films. I guess it's too late to change that now.

 

[maharg]

I think it's entirely avoidable, but I also think that feeling like you want to scream "NO DON'T GO IN THERE YOU IDIOT" is a powerful means of building tension that has instant relief. People don't really want to be scared that their rational brain will get them into the situations the movie portrays, they want to know that the people in the movie did something to bring the hammer down on themselves.

I saw it last week and generally enjoyed it. There are, however, numerous plot holes and lacks character development (as well as having characters who exist simply to be killed). But complaining about the logic of the film is irrelevant as the single biggest flaw is the fact that they went to another star system at all in the space of what, 2 years? If the film requires you to ignore that problem, you may as well ignore all the others. It was a fun ride. That's all.

It irritates me how the difficulties of space flight is just routinely ignored in films. I guess it's too late to change that now.

Assuming you can approach the speed of light you can definitely get to another planet in 2 years of subjective time (much longer in other time frames though). The movies are a bit mum on whether that's how they do what they do, but it is plausible even without a warp drive.

And all stories with FTL travel are not inherently 'fun rides'. That's just nonsense. Every SF story has conceits.

 

[subrock]

If we forget the star map's purpose for a second, I still see it as likely that the "temple" and the Tomb (which is exactly what it is since it was spelled out to be as such), were booby-trapped, or a black goo collection system. The cargo hold's vials, which were in the SHIP, not the temple, and stacked horizontally, implies that those vials are STORED. What is not clear is the purpose of the vials being placed in that room. Are they placed there to collect goo? Or are they a sort of alarm/trap system to kill those who go in?

Along these lines, all of the holo-engineers ran into that room, with one getting decapitated in the process. Why were they running to that room if it was only a trap.

 

[commedieu]

If we forget the star map's purpose for a second, I still see it as likely that the "temple" and the Tomb (which is exactly what it is since it was spelled out to be as such), were booby-trapped, or a black goo collection system. The cargo hold's vials, which were in the SHIP, not the temple, and stacked horizontally, implies that those vials are STORED. The ones in the tomb are placed vertically in arcs, as if placed carefully, in front of the giant head. They are placed there almost ceremonially. Basically, they are ACTIVE versions of the stored vials found in the cargo hold, unlike the stored vials, these have a purpose in being positioned there.

David takes one with him, and in it are bottles with black liquid. What is not clear is the purpose of the vials being placed in that room. Are they placed there to collect goo? Or are they a sort of alarm/trap system to kill those who go in?

If they are there to collect goo, we can imagine the jockeys go there, collect it (almost as if taking an offering), and store it in their ships and leave with them.

If they are there a bit like mines, it might explain why the murals start to erase: the thing is erasing the murals because the humans are not supposed to see them, it is not meant for them, and they must die. In that case, the ship may have landed, and the vials were placed there by the jockeys, potentially because they knew humans (or other species) had been invited there.

I'm still not entirely convinced that we were dealing with a military base. We have the temple, and then we have the ship, but bringing the two together doesn't really really spell military base to me.

There was clearly something going on with the goo in that temple room, and the way that it wasn't just the canisters reacting, but everything else as well. Are the canisters placed in the room to be filled with the black goo, that the Engineers later come back for to use in seeding the galaxy? Are the Engineers naively doing the legwork of the Xenomorphs? Is an attempt to return to Earth not necessarily because the humans did bad, but rather a last-minute realization by the Engineers that the humans will be used to breed Xenomorphs? A lot of stabbing in the dark, but I'm just not convinced. Just perhaps the star map isn't leading to the Engineer homeworld or to a military base, but rather what the Engineers believe to be the source of life in the galaxy.

Also, I feel that whatever was in the tomb beneath the green stone must have been noteworthy. Is it a Xenogod, having a part in the creation of the black goo?

EDIT: In trying to muddle together my thoughts, similar questions have just been asked. lol

You two, meet and discuss

Along these lines, all of the holo-engineers ran into that room, with one getting decapitated in the process. Why were they running to that room if it was only a trap.

Only 1 was running into THAT room, rmember they found the rest of the guys stacked up in front of another door..

right?

 

[smokeymicpot]

I saw it last week and generally enjoyed it. There are, however, numerous plot holes and lacks character development (as well as having characters who exist simply to be killed). But complaining about the logic of the film is irrelevant as the single biggest flaw is the fact that they went to another star system at all in the space of what, 2 years? If the film requires you to ignore that problem, you may as well ignore all the others. It was a fun ride. That's all.

It irritates me how the difficulties of space flight is just routinely ignored in films. I guess it's too late to change that now.

It is the year 2080 something space flight got high tech at a point possibly. Then again they got dumber as years went by. Taking off Helmets in a new planet that might kill you.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Along these lines, all of the holo-engineers ran into that room, with one getting decapitated in the process. Why were they running to that room if it was only a trap.

It's not a trap for them, it's a trap for humans. They also had their space suits on, if I recall. They went in, closed to the door, and when they felt things were safe they left into the ship and sent the communication before going to sleep.

BTW anyone can confirm that the woken up engineer never used the flute? I forget.

 

[Chatin]

You two, meet and discuss

haha At least we're on some of the same pages with our conspiracies.

It's possible that the Engineers just ran into the room as it was nearby and they wanted to get away from the infected. It's also possible they were seeking solace in the temple?

EDIT: I need to see the movie again to confirm in my mind the details of what was going on in those holograms.

 

[Erigu]

I think it's entirely avoidable, but I also think that feeling like you want to scream "NO DON'T GO IN THERE YOU IDIOT" is a powerful means of building tension that has instant relief.

True, but your "NO DON'T GO IN THERE YOU IDIOT" makes me think of an entirely different kind of scene: the one where a character has no idea (or doesn't quite believe yet) that he's in a horror movie populated with monsters or psycho killers (whereas the viewers are naturally aware of that).
"Some noise in the attic? Those fucking rats are at it again!"
No, you fucking idiot! It's the giant mutant hedgehog!
Can't really blame the guy. In his situation, I wouldn't run screaming from the house or call the police for that.

That thing with the falling horseshoe, on the other hand...

People don't really want to be scared that their rational brain will get them into the situations the movie portrays

I... think I like that, actually. I mean, that's pretty damn scary.

 

[goober]

Sorry, new to the series. What's a jockey?

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

It's not a trap for them, it's a trap for humans. They also had their space suits on, if I recall. They went in, closed to the door, and when they felt things were safe they left into the ship and sent the communication before going to sleep.

BTW anyone can confirm that the woken up engineer never used the flute? I forget.

IIRC they skipped it with transitions between Shaw telling Janek to stop the ship and the engineer choosing the planet.

 

[Harry Potter]

What was David's motive for spiking the booze with the goo? Just because he could?

 

[Ether_Snake]

haha At least we're on some of the same pages with our conspiracies.

It's possible that the Engineers just ran into the room as it was nearby and they wanted to get away from the infected. It's also possible they were seeking solace in the temple?

EDIT: I need to see the movie again to confirm in my mind the details of what was going on in those holograms.

I totally agree with the stuff you wrote, hadn't seen it.

The xenomorph mural has face-hugged humanoids in the corners. Scott said if we are to see "paradise" in the second movie, it will be sinister, and he implied that heaven must be disturbing, it's the dark angels who have all the fun and have sex with all the chicks (which ties into the myths of the "giants", or nephilim of the Bible, where giants had intercourse with women, which created heros of legend).

So Scott is saying that the jockeys are like the fallen angels, doing the fun stuff, figuratively speaking, while heaven itself will be disturbing, and presumably it will be the "fallen angels"' heaven, not the "good" heaven.

So yeah, I expect Xenomorph paradise, with the ultimate god-like Xenomorph being in charge, the jockeys being its fallen angels doing its bidding.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

I saw it last week and generally enjoyed it. There are, however, numerous plot holes and lacks character development (as well as having characters who exist simply to be killed). But complaining about the logic of the film is irrelevant as the single biggest flaw is the fact that they went to another star system at all in the space of what, 2 years? If the film requires you to ignore that problem, you may as well ignore all the others. It was a fun ride. That's all.

It irritates me how the difficulties of space flight is just routinely ignored in films. I guess it's too late to change that now.

The Alien universe has always had FTL travel. Not Star Wars / Star Trek level of triviality, and it has technical problems (inverse time dilation: the faster you go past C, the longer it takes you subjectively. This is why they need to freeze everybody in the movies). This takes place 20-30 years before Alien.

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

What was David's motive for spiking the booze with the goo? Just because he could?

He thought What would Weyland do?

 

[Ether_Snake]

IIRC they skipped it with transitions between Shaw telling Janek to stop the ship and the engineer choosing the planet.

Does he sit in the flute chair? I forget, I just remember him sitting in the dentist chair.

 

[commedieu]

It's not a trap for them, it's a trap for humans. They also had their space suits on, if I recall. They went in, closed to the door, and when they felt things were safe they left into the ship and sent the communication before going to sleep.

BTW anyone can confirm that the woken up engineer never used the flute? I forget.

I just can't cosign on it being a trap. Engineers are far too advanced to have to rely on something that Data(goonies) made for them to trigger, after they survive their space flight there, randomly find the temple, etc. Just too much room for error there, if they really really want to trap the humans there.

I think the relationship of the Alien on the Mural and the Engineers has to unfold, I hope it does in my lifetime. I think Shaw mentioned something about the air or something happening inside of the chamber, didn't that cause the mural to degrade or fall down? There was a human head inside.

IF the Xenogod is inside of that tomb, then it makes sense. They collect the oil (xenogod) to create life in other places, it just means that the lore is bigger than any of us ever expected. And it really is something to behold outside of its abilities to create aliens as we know them from the films. All in all, as mentioned in this thread earlier, its a beyond horrible weapon. God this is so fun, I want to watch Alien again.

Honestly I'm having a better time discussing the movie here with you all than I did actually watching it.

In the director commentary on the 20th Anniversary Alien DVD (released in 1999) Ridley revealed his larger plan for these beasts:

I always wanted to go back and make an Alien 5 or 6, where we find out where they came from and go there and answer the question, "who are they." Mars is too close so they can't be gods of war, but the theory was, in my head was, this was an aircraft carrier, a battlewagon of a civilisation, and the eggs were a cargo which were essentially weapons. So right, like a large form of bacteriological stroke bio-mechanoid warfare. Once again you can not, you just can not beat this score, it is great. And again the set is pretty spectacular really.

This space jockey, I've always thought was, the driver of the craft who is now after many ages, of course it would be dustless, but has started to look like a perfect example of Giger's mind. Which is "where does biology end and technology begin?" because he seems to have grafted the creature into what essentially was, let's say a pilot's seat. But clearly from here, this is where the transmission would emanate from, probably in an automatic transmission. So this creature obviously had experienced... maybe one of the eggs had been disturbed and a creature had got out, had attacked the rest of the crew, don't ask me where they got to, but he's pretty gruesome, but let's say he's part of the civilisation he came from and now had melded into his seat.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

Well, that was a let down. Not bad, but not very good either. I think I would have liked it more if it had zero to do with Alien. Just felt so unlike that movie in every way.

Also, that terrible CGI Xeno at the end. Holy shit.

After this and Avengers, the summer rests on your shoulders, Batman. Don't let me down.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

But humans could not have known about the star system themselves. So it was purposely given to humans by the jockeys. Why? Ridley Scott clearly says that they eventually were unhappy with humans and decided to kill them. So it's logical that they would have had given them the star map way back when they still thought humans were a good idea. But why a star map to what at least ended up as, if it wasn't always, a military facility?

The only explanation I could have is that back when they gave the star map, the moon had another purpose, probably a meeting point of some sort with humans. The temple might in fact just be an ancient meeting point built a long time ago waiting for humans. It's only later that it was turned into a military facility.

I think we really have to take what Scott says in interviews as facts. Very old stuff from Alien 1's conception were kept as true, so it's likely that all his ideas remain true to what Prometheus is about. So the whole "they changed their mind after being disappointed with us" thing should be considered fact IMO.

Why the hell this was not stated in the movie? What were they unhappy about? Would the goo kill only humans or everything living creature on earth? All of this should have been explained in the movie. Why would Scott explain that off screen? Should i suppose to follow every single word of a director if i like a movie? This is bullshit.


The thing that pissed me off the most about the movie, is that there was giving no reason for why Robert poisoned the guy.

 

[Ether_Snake]

I just can't cosign on it being a trap. Engineers are far too advanced to have to rely on something that Data(goonies) made for them to trigger, after they survive their space flight there, randomly find the temple, etc. Just too much room for error there, if they really really want to trap the humans there.

I think the relationship of the Alien on the Mural and the Engineers has to unfold, I hope it does in my lifetime. I think Shaw mentioned something about the air or something happening inside of the chamber, didn't that cause the mural to degrade or fall down? There was a human head inside.

IF the Xenogod is inside of that tomb, then it makes sense. They collect the oil (xenogod) to create life in other places, it just means that the lore is bigger than any of us ever expected. And it really is something to behold outside of its abilities to create aliens as we know them from the films. All in all, as mentioned in this thread earlier, its a beyond horrible weapon. God this is so fun, I want to watch Alien again.

Honestly I'm having a better time discussing the movie here with you all than I did actually watching it.

When I say it's a trap, and that the jockeys placed the vials so that if humans came in the "holy of holies", or tomb, the goo would kill the intruders and also erase the murals as a response to a forbidden organism' presence.

That's if it was the purpose, otherwise it was just to collect goo. It also explains why there is so much goo on the floor of the room: no one collected it in a long time, so the room was full of it by then.

 

[Canuck76]

I just can't cosign on it being a trap. Engineers are far too advanced to have to rely on something that Data(goonies) made for them to trigger, after they survive their space flight there, randomly find the temple, etc. Just too much room for error there, if they really really want to trap the humans there.

I think the relationship of the Alien on the Mural and the Engineers has to unfold, I hope it does in my lifetime. I think Shaw mentioned something about the air or something happening inside of the chamber, didn't that cause the mural to degrade or fall down? There was a human head inside.

IF the Xenogod is inside of that tomb, then it makes sense. They collect the oil (xenogod) to create life in other places, it just means that the lore is bigger than any of us ever expected. And it really is something to behold outside of its abilities to create aliens as we know them from the films. All in all, as mentioned in this thread earlier, its a beyond horrible weapon. God this is so fun, I want to watch Alien again.

Honestly I'm having a better time discussing the movie here with you all than I did actually watching it.

Hahahaha well I'll have a fun time piecing together what you guys come up with

 

[Harry Potter]

Anyone getting behind this idea that Jesus was an Engineer and humans killing him is what set the Engineers off?

 

[Rodney McKay]

Well, that was a let down. Not bad, but not very good either. I think I would have liked it more if it had zero to do with Alien. Just felt so unlike that movie in every way.

Also, that terrible CGI Xeno at the end. Holy shit.

After this and Avengers, the summer rests on your shoulders, Batman. Don't let me down.

What? I thought it looked great.

 

[iddqd]

posted this in the movie thread too,
not sure if funny still but seemed like a good idea in the metro on the way back

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

It's not a trap for them, it's a trap for humans.

Only if they remove their space-suits, which no sane expedition would have done. It's also unclear as to why you would possibly rig them to open when there are slight alterations in atmospheric conditions. You would only "activate" them to do that when you were about to deploy them on a planet - otherwise it's just bad design.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

What? I thought it looked great.

I'm having a hard time deciding if this is a joke or not?

Most of the CG was fine, that Xenomorph was fucking awful looking.

 

[Jarmel]

Diverting for the Icarus 1 in the first place.

That was a judgment call that they did think about. Do you leave a stranded crew to their deaths? You also can grab a second nuclear payload which would have increased their odds and stocked up on supplies. It really was a sound decision for the most part. They just didn't expect a crazed man to be on board, which is a rather reasonable assumption on their part.

 

[smokeymicpot]

I'm having a hard time deciding if this is a joke or not?

Most of the CG was fine, that Xenomorph was fucking awful looking.

It did look horrible. I am really guessing they did that scene last moment or something. No fucking way they thought it was a good idea to add that crappy fan service.

 

[Ashhong]

Nitpicking? They're scientists and supposed to be professional. Safety is never taken for granted. Their equipment and an Earth robot don't know everything about this alien environment. Removing helmets was easily one of the dumbest moments in the film and actually, it should have done them harm. The air inside was clean of excess CO2, but common bacteria on surfaces and in the air should have done serious harm to everyone.

Should have done serious harm? Were you on the planet? These are fictional, make believe planets that Ridley created as he saw fit. So he made it without harmful bacteria, BFD.

Diverting for the Icarus 1 in the first place.

I wouldn't call that a stupid thing to do. 2 payloads gives them a much better chance. It was their one shot. And also, that was hotly debated so you gotta give the movie props for that.

edit: I thought the xeno looked great...

 

[MidnightScott]

Okay yeah definitely an odd movie. Too much gore for my tastes, me and my best friend kept covering our eyes and were really freaked out lol.

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

Does he sit in the flute chair? I forget, I just remember him sitting in the dentist chair.

I think the flute chair moved throughout the room.

Why the hell this was not stated in the movie? What were they unhappy about? Would the goo kill only humans or everything living creature on earth? All of this should have been explained in the movie. Why would Scott explain that off screen? Should i suppose to follow every single word of a director if i like a movie? This is bullshit.


The thing that pissed me off the most about the movie, is that there was giving no reason for why Robert poisoned the guy.

It was stated when Shaw was trying to talk to the engineer she kept screaming "Why do you hate us? Why were you going to destory us?"

I'll assume you mean David but it must have been Weyland's will, just like the other Alien films. They always try to infect other crew members.

 

[commedieu]

When I say it's a trap, and that the jockeys placed the vials so that if humans came in the "holy of holies", or tomb, the goo would kill the intruders and also erase the murals as a response to a forbidden organism' presence.

That's if it was the purpose, otherwise it was just to collect goo. It also explains why there is so much goo on the floor of the room: no one collected it in a long time, so the room was full of it by then.

Ok, and this backs up the notion that Humans aren't supposed to know where this place is, correct? So the Jockeys are up to something ulterior I'd say.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

When I say it's a trap, and that the jockeys placed the vials so that if humans came in the "holy of holies", or tomb, the goo would kill the intruders and also erase the murals as a response to a forbidden organism' presence.

That's if it was the purpose, otherwise it was just to collect goo. It also explains why there is so much goo on the floor of the room: no one collected it in a long time, so the room was full of it by then.

The goo wasn't on the floor until the containers started leaking it. It's not generated here, it's just stored here. It's also not "humans" that triggered it, space jockeys would have too if they walked in and started breathing the air. As a 'trap' it's pretty awful considering it takes so long to actually do much. They would be far better served by poison gas dispensers, an automated sentry gun, or a self destruct. It wasn't even something the expedition couldn't handle, until they decided to wake the dude up and things really went to shit. If they had kept their fucking helmets on while they explored just in case (like rational people would do), the trap would have utterly failed.

 

[Rodney McKay]

I'm having a hard time deciding if this is a joke or not?

Most of the CG was fine, that Xenomorph was fucking awful looking.

What about it was bad to you? The design? The CG?

It was a goo-y, newborn alien-esque thingamabob. That's what I would think one of those would look like.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

What about it was bad to you? The design? The CG?

It was a goo-y, newborn alien-esque thingamabob. That's what I would think one of those would look like.

The CG. It looked so out of place, like it didn't mesh at all with the world around it and just seemed to lack detail overall.

Two of you saying it was fine is making me feel crazy, like I'm picturing something in my head that I just saw differently than it really was.

 

[commedieu]

Should have done serious harm? Were you on the planet? These are fictional, make believe planets that Ridley created as he saw fit. So he made it without harmful bacteria, BFD.

Its not a BFD, but acting as if its a normal or sane thing to do on a scientific expedition to an alien planet, is ridiculous. Sure, we can all just ignore that, but it just lends to a lack of credibility in context to the film. It makes it less believable. All anyone ever wants from a film is a story where the characters are acting realistically to the story or problem. No scientist would ever take off their helmet. And as its mentioned before, Shaw then blames them taking off their helmet for her boyfriends herpes.

So Ridley didn't make that world. Just inconsistent bullshit, like the rest of the script.

The CG. It looked so out of place, like it didn't mesh at all with the world around it and just seemed to lack detail overall.

Two of you saying it was fine is making me feel crazy, like I'm picturing something in my head that I just saw differently than it really was.

It looked out of place, it looked fake. Just weird all around. Didn't seem to have much texture, or fluid/goo on it. The animation was poor. I think it was because during the whole film the visual effects were superb, that when the alien finally showed up, it was jarring.

The goo wasn't on the floor until the containers started leaking it. It's not generated here, it's just stored here. It's also not "humans" that triggered it, space jockeys would have too if they walked in and started breathing the air. As a 'trap' it's pretty awful considering it takes so long to actually do much. They would be far better served by poison gas dispensers, an automated sentry gun, or a self destruct. It wasn't even something the expedition couldn't handle, until they decided to wake the dude up and things really went to shit. If they had kept their fucking helmets on while they explored just in case (like rational people would do), the trap would have utterly failed.

Thats what I was confused about, if the oil was leaking from the room onto the floor, or from the floor into the containers... and were the containers melting at one point..?

 

[Chatin]

The CG. It looked so out of place, like it didn't mesh at all with the world around it and just seemed to lack detail overall.

Two of you saying it was fine is making me feel crazy, like I'm picturing something in my head that I just saw differently than it really was.

It was the battle between the squid and the Engineer that I thought looked strange. Almost as if it were done in stop-animation, but that might have been a side effect of the 3D.

 

[Ashhong]

Its not a BFD, but acting as if its a normal or sane thing to do on a scientific expedition to an alien planet, is ridiculous. Sure, we can all just ignore that, but it just lends to a lack of credibility in context to the film. It makes it less believable. All anyone ever wants from a film is a story where the characters are acting realistically to the story or problem. No scientist would ever take off their helmet. And as its mentioned before, Shaw then blames them taking off their helmet for her boyfriends herpes.

So Ridley didn't make that world. Just inconsistent bullshit, like the rest of the script.

I will give you that Shaw was confused and scared and started to blame the air. The thing is, that in the beginning the air and quality of it was tested with their scanner crap and also David, who confirmed that it was breathable. Shaw was against it from the beginning as well, so it's not like they are all just stupid. I don't see the problem since they confirmed that it was clean air.

 

[Trigger]

Okay yeah definitely an odd movie. Too much gore for my tastes, me and my best friend kept covering our eyes and were really freaked out lol.

The abortion/c-section scene was pretty gross. I kept thinking they were going to cut away from the surgery or something, but they showed it in pretty full detail.

I enjoyed it too, but you had better leave this thread before the relentless negativity brings you down.

It was a flawed but incredibly memorable film. I think a lot of the nitpicking is because of how long it took this prequel to come out, and because of the probably needless attempt by Scott to install a mythology behind what was a pretty basic space horror story.

lol, I expect no less from GAF.

 

[Erigu]

I will give you that Shaw was confused and scared and started to blame the air. The thing is, that in the beginning the air and quality of it was tested with their scanner crap and also David, who confirmed that it was breathable. Shaw was against it from the beginning as well, so it's not like they are all just stupid. I don't see the problem since they confirmed that it was clean air.

I'm not sure how they could analyze all of the air and make sure there were absolutely no alien germs or anything "just like that".
"Future science", sure, but they obviously didn't know about those little worms (the ones that turned into... "hammerpedes", was it?), so I have no reason to believe they could eliminate the possibility of germs. And indeed, Shaw brings that one up in the end.

 

[EliteArtist]

I will give you that Shaw was confused and scared and started to blame the air. The thing is, that in the beginning the air and quality of it was tested with their scanner crap and also David, who confirmed that it was breathable. Shaw was against it from the beginning as well, so it's not like they are all just stupid. I don't see the problem since they confirmed that it was clean air.

The point being made wasn't that the air quality was bad, it was that there may be foreign entities (i.e. Disease) floating around that anyone could catch. A good real world example would be the settling of the new world in which disease was introduced to the settlers by the natives. Similiar situations, but there were less helmets back in the day.

 

[Dilly]

I enjoyed it too, but you had better leave this thread before the relentless negativity brings you down.

It was a flawed but incredibly memorable film. I think a lot of the nitpicking is because of how long it took this prequel to come out, and because of the probably needless attempt by Scott to install a mythology behind what was a pretty basic space horror story.

A lot of problems aren't nitpicking and it's not LOLGAF either.

 

[commedieu]

I will give you that Shaw was confused and scared and started to blame the air. The thing is, that in the beginning the air and quality of it was tested with their scanner crap and also David, who confirmed that it was breathable. Shaw was against it from the beginning as well, so it's not like they are all just stupid. I don't see the problem since they confirmed that it was clean air.

Its an alien planet, so any threat would be alien and unknown to scanning. Its basic sci-fi movie 101 And more than that, even on a planet with oxygen, we would still test as much as we possibly could to make sure we could breathe it safely. In the universe of the movie, it very well could have been airborne, as they didn't do anything to test and see if it was. It was just out of place for the world we were in. I get that they wanted to illustrate that terraform was going on, but realistically, a believable character would have said "You crazy scientists feel free to do that but I'm going to keep mine on." etc. Just for some grounding in reality. It was unrealistic for them all to have a masks-off party, which made the characters less believable.

 

[joeyjoejoeshabadoo]

I found it funny how the engineers' downfall is the same as the human's in the Alien films. Find alien species (or in Prom's case create it), try to harness species into some sort of biological weapon, get dead.

What I didn't get is the Xeno at the end was clearly an adolescent queen. We can assume she will lay eggs and create facehuggers. Got that. The part I didn't get was why not just say the planet was LV-426. It would have made the bridge between this movie and Alien clearer.

Actually maybe I do get it, Fox is hoping for more sequels to Prom. Leave movie on twist, hope to hook people into a new franchise, get dead. Life imitates art.

As for the movie itself, I thought it was ok. I had major problems with the main musical theme. It felt like something out of Apollo 13 and it was used in unusual spots.

 

[Horse Detective]

Madagascar better not top this in the box office

 

[commedieu]

Madagascar better not top this in the box office

Its going to get more return visits, thats for sure.