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GhaleonEB said:
He talks to Weyland right after his head was ripped off.

"I know. Have a good journey, mister Weyland."
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Its like in T2 when Arnie "dies" then reboots his power. That was just before his power ran out. See? Lots of speculation from everyone isn't just for Mass Effect!
 
GhaleonEB said:
One of the things that bugs me about Prometheus is that with all the things the crew finds, and all the things that happen to them, nobody talks about what is going on. I was thinking back about Alien and it's relatively straight forward script. It allowed time between events for the crew to talk about what the hell they're going to do in response to developments. The long discussion about what to do with Kain and the face hugger. Gathering tools to chase down the chest burster. Dallas' plan to flush it out the air shaft. There's a pace to everything, as events lead to discussion which lead to action.

At no point in Prometheus does anyone stop and talk about what's going on. It's a series of events with no breathing room, and most of the events just happen and are forgotten, unconnected to the rest of the story. They just don't build on one another. In any other sanely constructed film, the infected crew member who is torched would be a huge event and launching point for further development. Or the two scientists getting killed by the snakes. Or mutant angry geologist wreaking a third of the crew. Or squid baby caesarian. Or.....fuck it.

None of the plot developments have anything to do with the other. It's just a jumble of plot threads that all lead nowhere.
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Highlight of the movie was Charlize Theron's ass. Movie would have been better if it was just two hours of the camera following her character around from behind.
 
GhaleonEB said:
One of the things that bugs me about Prometheus is that with all the things the crew finds, and all the things that happen to them, nobody talks about what is going on. I was thinking back about Alien and it's relatively straight forward script. It allowed time between events for the crew to talk about what the hell they're going to do in response to developments. The long discussion about what to do with Kain and the face hugger. Gathering tools to chase down the chest burster. Dallas' plan to flush it out the air shaft. There's a pace to everything, as events lead to discussion which lead to action.

At no point in Prometheus does anyone stop and talk about what's going on. It's a series of events with no breathing room, and most of the events just happen and are forgotten, unconnected to the rest of the story. They just don't build on one another. In any other sanely constructed film, the infected crew member who is torched would be a huge event and launching point for further development. Or the two scientists getting killed by the snakes. Or mutant angry geologist wreaking a third of the crew. Or squid baby caesarian. Or.....fuck it.

None of the plot developments have anything to do with the other. It's just a jumble of plot threads that all lead nowhere.
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This is all spot on. I don't see an extra 20 minutes fixing anything.
 
I agree with maharg on the Nostromo's mission possibly being triggered by the events in Prometheus or at least connected to it. It isn't really a leap in logic at all, but rather a safe assumption. Cant say I thought about it right away but it definetly makes sense.

This movie, albeit a prequel or not, is much more connected to Alien than what it might seem at first. At least in terms of drawing your own conclusions.
 
GhaleonEB said:
One of the things that bugs me about Prometheus is that with all the things the crew finds, and all the things that happen to them, nobody talks about what is going on. I was thinking back about Alien and it's relatively straight forward script. It allowed time between events for the crew to talk about what the hell they're going to do in response to developments. The long discussion about what to do with Kain and the face hugger. Gathering tools to chase down the chest burster. Dallas' plan to flush it out the air shaft. There's a pace to everything, as events lead to discussion which lead to action.

At no point in Prometheus does anyone stop and talk about what's going on. It's a series of events with no breathing room, and most of the events just happen and are forgotten, unconnected to the rest of the story. They just don't build on one another. In any other sanely constructed film, the infected crew member who is torched would be a huge event and launching point for further development. Or the two scientists getting killed by the snakes. Or mutant angry geologist wreaking a third of the crew. Or squid baby caesarian. Or.....fuck it.

None of the plot developments have anything to do with the other. It's just a jumble of plot threads that all lead nowhere.
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It's clearly a much more hectic film when compared to other Ridley Scott films. I mean Alien handled a pretty straightforward script with not much happening, so they had times for things like that. It served the purpose of causing an eerie atmosphere while at the same time "filling" a runtime (term sounds afwul, but im not trying to imply what was there was filler, just that they had the opportunity to properly develop like that).

At the same time, the plots are fundamentally different, so while Alien is slower, better developed and more consistent, it's also because the nature of the film and the plot is completely different. There's a lot of stuff going on in "real time" during Prometheus to the point where if someone screwed around without doing much and just thinking about the situation it would also be weird. Shit's happening right there, right at that second. They're clearly caught without much means of dealing with a situation like that and dont have much time to think about it considering there's a whole crew there with a secret agenda, rather than it just being represented by one member (Ash in Alien).

I agree with your complaints but when you think about it the pace is pretty much tied to the plot, so in order for it to be different the script would just need to have.. less stuff, or a very different plot. I dont see it as much as a flaw to the movie but instead a consequence of it. What you want could end up being a very different film than this.

Still, I guess with what's there it could still have been developed a bit better at least with more time for character interaction.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Reading this now. I totally lost it at:

The SELF-SURGERY MACHINE cuts NOOMI open and removes her SQUID MONSTER BABY. NOOMI ABANDONS it because she is a TERRIBLE MOTHER.

NOOMI RAPACE

I should really tell someone about that thing! Or go get a flamethrower and kill it!

(pause)

Or not. Whatever.

NOOMI stumbles into the THIRD ACT and finds OLD GUY PEARCE.​
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That is so perfect, it describes exactly what the hell happened there. Has anyone bothered reading Lindelof's twitter account btw? He's doing his usual self-depreciation act, as he does whenever he is criticized. I hate this guy.
 
jett said:
That is so perfect, it describes exactly what the hell happened there. Has anyone bothered reading Lindelof's twitter account btw? He's doing his usual self-depreciation act, as he does whenever he is criticized. I hate this guy.
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guy is recieving death threats on twitter, I have no problem with him taking the most hateful "fans" with a bit of humor

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GhaleonEB said:
Reading this now. I totally lost it at:

The SELF-SURGERY MACHINE cuts NOOMI open and removes her SQUID MONSTER BABY. NOOMI ABANDONS it because she is a TERRIBLE MOTHER.

NOOMI RAPACE

I should really tell someone about that thing! Or go get a flamethrower and kill it!

(pause)

Or not. Whatever.

NOOMI stumbles into the THIRD ACT and finds OLD GUY PEARCE.​
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That whole thing was brilliant but this one is not accurate, the pod sterilized the "foreign object" and everthing within it and it stopped moving, Shaw thought it had died.
 
Ok as someone who hasn't seen alien in probably 10 years I really enjoyed this movie.
Loved the exploring and the mystery and all of it. One thing I laughed at was after they crashed the ship and it rolled like 3 times, David's head was in the exact same spot and didn't roll at all lol.

I plan on watching alien again this week though
 
Chichikov said:
I don't know, the vast majority of the people talking about him on twitter seem pretty tame to me.

You're making an easy job for yourself if you pick the dumbest of the bunch to argue with.
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for sure, but that's always the case isnt it

I mean most people get offended or disturbed to the point of replying when it's the worst tweets

just saying that I dont see nothing particulary wrong with his twitter account. Dude just seems classy enough and doesnt take himself too seriously.

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Question about aliens: how much time passed between when Newt's dad gets facehugger and the Marines arrive?

Based on what they find when they get there an awful lot seemed to transpire ....everyone dead or cocooned, big barricades, face huggers surgically removed and studies in the me lab ... Seems like months
 
JB1981 said:
Question about aliens: how much time passed between when Newt's dad gets facehugger and the Marines arrive?

Based on what they find when they get there an awful lot seemed to transpire ....everyone dead or cocooned, big barricades, face huggers surgically removed and studies in the me lab ... Seems like months
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Hmm... In Alien, when they woke up early (near the planet), they were 9 months away from Earth? Or was it 6? Either way, it was a number of months.
 
Possible major science flub in Promethius: that our DNA is 100% identical to the engineers' DNA. How could we have the same code? Obviously the film shows some kind of panspermia in the opening scene. I'll try to provide a couple plausible scenarios that the film is trying to present:

1) Panspermia happened billions of years ago and explains the abiogenesis of self replicating molecules, after which evolution did its thing as recorded in our real life biology. Maybe this explains, in this Alien fiction, the Cambrian Explosion. The problem here is that our genetics as they really are, the product of evolution, would not end up the same as the Engineers' genetics that we (and all terrestrial life in this scenario) was evolved from. So the only way around this problem is:

2) Panspermia happened much more recently, maybe half a million years ago--very late in the evolution of terrestrial life, which was actually just the creation of the human race on earth. This scenario fails because we share a relatively recent common ancestor with the other great apes, as our DNA shows. So then you can say, maybe the point of intervention was the common ancestor with great apes itself. This fails because it defeats the 100% identical claim, as we don't have that close a match with our ape brethren, let alone with the common ancestor.

Am I missing something that the film was trying to imply?

Anyway, just thought I'd toss it out there. Scenario #1 would have been (more) acceptable if they had claimed the Engineers had a four protein based replicator exactly of the same type as all life on earth. But they just HAD to say it was identical to ours...
 
Xdrive05 said:
Possible major science flub in Promethius: that our DNA is 100% identical to the engineers' DNA. How could we have the same code?
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I think I've seen something (in the artbook?) about the Engineers tinkering with mankind's evolution over the years (centuries/millennia/and so on)...
Still, that's a lot of work over an absurdly long period of time, especially considering cloning would have done the trick just fine.
 
Xdrive05 said:
Am I missing something that the film was trying to imply?
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My suspicion is the film is trying to imply we are some sort of primitive derivative of them (regardless of the process), but the writer didn't know enough about DNA or evolution in order to make such an implication in a way which actually makes sense scientifically.
 
Collection of interviews for ease of reading

http://uk.ign.com/wikis/prometheus/Official_Quotes

Main gripe is that there's so much backstory that explains some stuff, but it just wasn't in the movie. You can't just not have it all in the movie, then say "Okay, here's the expanded universe, do your own digging."

Also, "Deckard = Replicant?" IS NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS "What does Black Goo do?" WHEN THE BLACK GOO IS SO FUCKING VITAL TO THE PLOT
 
So, I know it's been discussed to death, but I think this creates some problems for the later movies timeline.

Either WY knew about the aliens so they connive to have the Nostromo go there, or they don't becuase it wasn't until Ripley told them they went to check it out. Or, it is a completley different planet with a crashed alien ship.

I'm missing something, aren't I?

B_Rik_Schitthaus said:
You should rend Monster, she has so many sex scenes in that.
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LOL, what you have done there is visible to me.

Edit: Doh, it is a different planet, isn't it.
 
JB1981 said:
Question about aliens: how much time passed between when Newt's dad gets facehugger and the Marines arrive?

Based on what they find when they get there an awful lot seemed to transpire ....everyone dead or cocooned, big barricades, face huggers surgically removed and studies in the me lab ... Seems like months
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We don't know how long from the time he got facehugged to when things got completely out of control, but after losing contact with the colony there was at least several weeks of travel time for Ripley and the Marines.
 
Xdrive05 said:
Possible major science flub in Promethius: that our DNA is 100% identical to the engineers' DNA. How could we have the same code? Obviously the film shows some kind of panspermia in the opening scene. I'll try to provide a couple plausible scenarios that the film is trying to present:

1) Panspermia happened billions of years ago and explains the abiogenesis of self replicating molecules, after which evolution did its thing as recorded in our real life biology. Maybe this explains, in this Alien fiction, the Cambrian Explosion. The problem here is that our genetics as they really are, the product of evolution, would not end up the same as the Engineers' genetics that we (and all terrestrial life in this scenario) was evolved from. So the only way around this problem is:

2) Panspermia happened much more recently, maybe half a million years ago--very late in the evolution of terrestrial life, which was actually just the creation of the human race on earth. This scenario fails because we share a relatively recent common ancestor with the other great apes, as our DNA shows. So then you can say, maybe the point of intervention was the common ancestor with great apes itself. This fails because it defeats the 100% identical claim, as we don't have that close a match with our ape brethren, let alone with the common ancestor.

Am I missing something that the film was trying to imply?

Anyway, just thought I'd toss it out there. Scenario #1 would have been (more) acceptable if they had claimed the Engineers had a four protein based replicator exactly of the same type as all life on earth. But they just HAD to say it was identical to ours...
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It's clear very little thought went into the creation of the script. There's your answer.
 
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