PS3 Home Official Thread

VanMardigan said:
So Sony should just scrap Home? You know you're going to have a rough launch when even your most ardent supporters think it's a waste of time. :lol
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Personally I think the resources would have been much better spent elsewhere.
 
VanMardigan said:
So Sony should just scrap Home? You know you're going to have a rough launch when even your most ardent supporters think it's a waste of time. :lol
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There are a number of things that leave me scratching my head over Home, but there are also core things that make it very worthwhile if support is there. So I don't think they should scrap it at all. But they really need to refocus on what's important here. Namely game's plugging into Home and supporting those two specific features - game launching, and item rewards.

Once that's down pat, I think they can start casting an eye on the other stuff, which could be cool, but that doesn't give the same ongoing return on investment (in terms of keeping home fresh and compelling) that broad game interaction would.
 
chespace said:
Gmail was pretty damn good/useful/efficient on launch. Enough so that it immediately became my de facto email destination outside of the workplace.

Home? Not so much.
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Home is still going to be pretty useful at launch. Whether you want to use it or not is about as relevant as my 80 year old grandparents wanting to use a computer for email. Doesn't change the fact that some gamers will find it useful, and more will probably gravitate to it as more and more features come on board (like Gmail). A lot of what you and I are currently using in Gmail was not there at launch. You're looking through the rose colored glasses of the present. Point being that Home is going to be open to everyone day one, and that new features, spaces, etc will be able to be patched in easily.

Whether it interests you or not doesn't affect my point.
 
andycapps said:
It's still going to be pretty useful at launch. Whether you want to use it or not is about as relevant as my 80 year old grandparents wanting to use a computer for email. A lot of what you and I are currently using in Gmail was not there at launch. You're looking through the rose colored glasses of the present. Point being that Home is going to be open to everyone day one, and that new features, spaces, etc will be able to be patched in easily.

Whether it interests you or not doesn't affect my point.
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This :D

I still find it amazing how people will bitch over something thats free and so completely optional :lol
 
MvmntInGrn said:
This :D

I still find it amazing how people will bitch over something thats free and so completely optional :lol
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Well they bitched over 599, then 499, then in game XMB, then trophies, then Home not coming... now about Home actually coming???... in a couple of weeks over something else.

That's the way it works around here.
 
andycapps said:
Well it's 2005 tech in the same way that it was mentioned in 2005 but not out yet, just like Alan Wake. :lol
And yes, that is with my tongue firmly planted in cheek as I'm just being facetious
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Well if HOME is 2005 tech, the NXE avatars look like Miis which are capable on Gamecube so NXE must be 2001 tech. :D

I never see Sony really put down MS, but this dude does all the damn time.
 
VanMardigan said:
All exceptionally valid complaints. Not sure what your point is.
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The point is that the bitching never stops. There is always something new to complain about, as everything can always be made better nowadays with online connectivity.

So its not unexpected for people to ask for more stuff all the time, even when they are getting a constant stream of stuff anyway.
 
VanMardigan said:
All exceptionally valid complaints. Not sure what your point is.
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Every system has its issues, those above were some of the PS3s (now fixed to an extent).

People tend to get mean quickly when you discuss the fault of the other home consoles though, no no thats not allowed.

I'm stopping now, I'm sure this is what people want to see, conflict. :D

Instead I will BS something: On my why are people being so mean over HOME? Oh silly people can't we just all get along? I love you all and all your consoles. Group Hug! :D
 
AndyD said:
So its not unexpected for people to ask for more stuff all the time, even when they are getting a constant stream of stuff anyway.
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I think it's natural for folks to demand things that were promised to them (Home) or that are available in a competing platform that costs less (in game XMB, Trophies), or to want a more accessible price point. These are reasonable requests. And I think that the pressure is good in that it forces Sony continually improve the product and its value proposition.

Unfortunately with Home, Sony is going to suffer because the product they deliver today will be far smaller in scope and content to the one they promised. And it's the people bitching about it that will push Sony to improve it ASAP.
 
MvmntInGrn said:
Every system has its issues, those above were some of the PS3s (now fixed to an extent).

People tend to get mean quickly when you discuss the fault of the other home consoles though, no no thats not allowed.

I'm stopping now, I'm sure this is what people want to see, conflict. :D

Instead I will BS something: On my why are people being so mean over HOME? Oh silly people can't we just all get along? I love you all and all your consoles. Group Hug! :D
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You will never see one in GAF. Never.




Ever.
 
MvmntInGrn said:
This :D

I still find it amazing how people will bitch over something thats free and so completely optional :lol
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Well those resources could have been allocated to something more important than a fancy chat room.
 
AndyD said:
So its not unexpected for people to ask for more stuff all the time, even when they are getting a constant stream of stuff anyway.
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...that should have been up and running at launch.

Seriously, when do you expect games to support home when it took half a year for games to support trophies and trophies STILL are the exception in third party games?

Let's say it'll take another half year till home support is where trophy support is now (and I seriously doubt that)... I don't know.
 
StrikerObi said:
Well those resources could have been allocated to something more important than a fancy chat room.
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You people whining about wasted resources must think the dev team for Home is huge. It's not.
 
gofreak said:
There are a number of things that leave me scratching my head over Home, but there are also core things that make it very worthwhile if support is there. So I don't think they should scrap it at all. But they really need to refocus on what's important here. Namely game's plugging into Home and supporting those two specific features - game launching, and item rewards.

Once that's down pat, I think they can start casting an eye on the other stuff, which could be cool, but that doesn't give the same ongoing return on investment (in terms of keeping home fresh and compelling) that broad game interaction would.
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I think in some ways what Sony is doing is very smart. They're turning the PS3 into what they said it would be--a home entertainment unit, not a "gaming system". From a business standpoint that's a good thing, AND it can have good side effects for the gaming side of things as well.


Look at it this way...

Sony's PS3 is still not caught up with the 360 in sales. Third party support could be better, as proven by the loss of certain games that could have been exclusives. (Final Fantasy, for example) Now, if Sony pushes the system as an entire entertainment unit, they get a bigger market to sell to, as the Wii has already seen with its "casual games" market expansion.

Now, if Sony can take advantage of media buffs and social networking fans, they expand the market share. A larger market share, for the financially inept, is a GOOD thing for Sony. While the initial focus is not on gaming, the effects can definitely be seen. When the PS3 becomes "the first thing you turn on" when you get home to your TV (to check what's going on in the Home space, watch new trailers, etc.) it becomes a gateway into gaming.

When this happens, Sony will have sold more and more consoles. This bodes well for third-party support--other developers will look at the PS3 more favorably by numbers, and will recognize the expanded market that Sony is reaching, and try to reach it through the PS3.



I'm not saying Home has an immediate positive effect for gamers, but long-term it's a good thing for EVERYONE who owns a PS3. You don't HAVE to use Home--it's a free service, which makes it accessible or neglectible, at any time you wish...The game launching, etc. will come in time, but while it's in development it's a good thing to support free services like this one...
 
MvmntInGrn said:
Well if HOME is 2005 tech, the NXE avatars look like Miis which are capable on Gamecube so NXE must be 2001 tech. :D
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That wasn't the point of the comment at all. He's saying that in 2005 it sounded like a huge, progressive step for consoles but now it just doesn't seem like such a revolution. I don't disagree.
 
VanMardigan said:
So what's the significance of December 11th to launch Home? When is stuff usually released on PsN?
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December 11th is simply pre-Christmas, in 2008. They promised 2008 for a long time now, and it's NOT a good idea to launch something on Christmas.

They want to make sure they have a buffer of a couple of weeks for the servers to go live and be problem-free for Christmas, so the young'uns who open that PS3 box on Christmas day have a good experience out of the box. Good call, Sony, good call...
 
andycapps said:
You people whining about wasted resources must think the dev team for Home is huge. It's not.
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It wouldn't take a huge dev team to do basic stuff like messaging, chat, and invites standardized across all titles and integrated with the XMB; it would certainly be a smaller dev team than you need for Home. I'm making an educated guess (I could be wrong) that the problem is SCEJ controls the XMB and they just don't get the whole online thing.
 
beermonkey@tehbias said:
It wouldn't take a huge dev team to do basic stuff like messaging, chat, and invites standardized across all titles and integrated with the XMB; it would certainly be a smaller dev team than you need for Home. I'm making an educated guess (I could be wrong) that the problem is SCEJ controls the XMB and they just don't get the whole online thing.
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From what I understand, and none of this is insider knowledge, everything to do with XMB updates is done by the engineers at SCEJ. Home is being worked on mainly by a small team at SCEE.

I've been in the private beta for about a year I guess, and I can't say that I've spent a lot of time in it. I'm just trying to keep an open mind about it, as it has been boring when no one was in it. It's a far cry different now than it was a year ago. Just saying that when we get a bunch of GAF users, like say the GAF Resistance clan in there and we decide to go from Resistance 2, to Warhawk, to Burnout Paradise that it could be pretty fun. I think a lot of the functionality of Home will be built into the XMB regardless, so if you really don't want to go into Home to do this stuff, you shouldn't have to. But this will be a good place for new gamers to go into, or people that feel like socializing with other people, etc. Said this before in this thread I believe, but you'd be surprised at how many people are already on there on a daily basis talking to their friends.
 
I doubt that's the case, beermonkey..the xmb team even 'adopted' trophies as their own, and SCEJ seems to have embraced Home in terms of getting content in there etc. as much as any other region.

Also, the game-related infrastructure is there..the problem for now seems to be missing game support. There are a number of stand-out issues with the current Home client (mostly UI related), but the core game related infrastructure is there and working..but there was just only two games leveraging it in the closed beta..

Sony needs to make it a part of the TRCs. Or at least be seen to be leading the way voluntarily with their own games.
 
gofreak said:
I doubt that's the case, beermonkey..the xmb team even 'adopted' trophies as their own, and SCEJ seems to have embraced Home in terms of getting content in there etc. as much as any other region.
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Hopefully they get the party functionality inside the XMB as well.

Sony needs to make it a part of the TRCs.
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I agree 100%. I guess Trophies are becoming required in 2009 so hopefully other community functions do too.
 
earning a pac-man shirt for Home in Namco Museum Beta totally restored my hype.
 
There is no doubt in my mind that Home will eventually become popular. However, if the future of gaming is something similar to Second Life where people are doing line dances in the middle of public areas then I'm done. Sony just needs to keep it gaming focused.

There is also no doubt in my mind this thing is going to be loved by mainstream press (see Time). It is so similar to Second Life I don't see how it cannot. I just hope it doesn't become the go to place for technology journalist or researchers out of touch with the technology world and looking for the future of the technology world in the all the wrong places like Second Life.
 
Too bad i can't use HOME in my main account along with PSN. It is set to Turkey so i can't launch HOME and PSN from there. I have to use my other accounts which are set to UK and USA(for shopping). Damn SONY! is it really that difficult to make it international?!
 
gofreak said:
I doubt that's the case, beermonkey..the xmb team even 'adopted' trophies as their own, and SCEJ seems to have embraced Home in terms of getting content in there etc. as much as any other region.

Also, the game-related infrastructure is there..the problem for now seems to be missing game support. There are a number of stand-out issues with the current Home client (mostly UI related), but the core game related infrastructure is there and working..but there was just only two games leveraging it in the closed beta..

Sony needs to make it a part of the TRCs. Or at least be seen to be leading the way voluntarily with their own games.
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you can not give developers sdk 2 months before they release the game and tell them to integrate new functions... if SDK with home integration is ready now, then I expect 3rd party games that will be released next holidays will support it.

Things like xmb playlists started working 5-6 months after sdk was released, so it is unrealistic to expect developers to do home integration sooner... of course, Sony first party will use home earlier....
 
andycapps said:
From what I understand, and none of this is insider knowledge, everything to do with XMB updates is done by the engineers at SCEJ. Home is being worked on mainly by a small team at SCEE.

I've been in the private beta for about a year I guess, and I can't say that I've spent a lot of time in it. I'm just trying to keep an open mind about it, as it has been boring when no one was in it. It's a far cry different now than it was a year ago. Just saying that when we get a bunch of GAF users, like say the GAF Resistance clan in there and we decide to go from Resistance 2, to Warhawk, to Burnout Paradise that it could be pretty fun. I think a lot of the functionality of Home will be built into the XMB regardless, so if you really don't want to go into Home to do this stuff, you shouldn't have to. But this will be a good place for new gamers to go into, or people that feel like socializing with other people, etc. Said this before in this thread I believe, but you'd be surprised at how many people are already on there on a daily basis talking to their friends.
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exactly, in this case, GAF clan rooms will be very popular... I expect a bit from Socom and Warhawk rooms.
 
beermonkey@tehbias said:
It wouldn't take a huge dev team to do basic stuff like messaging, chat, and invites standardized across all titles and integrated with the XMB; it would certainly be a smaller dev team than you need for Home. I'm making an educated guess (I could be wrong) that the problem is SCEJ controls the XMB and they just don't get the whole online thing.
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Some of it it is contracted out to Q-Games. But also a lot of it is handled by Eric Lempel and SCEA, clearly they've listened to feedback and have implemented things into PSN/XMB at the peoples behest.
 
beermonkey@tehbias said:
Hopefully they get the party functionality inside the XMB as well.


I agree 100%. I guess Trophies are becoming required in 2009 so hopefully other community functions do too.
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So much stuff they make standards. Where my TRC rule that requires 30fps? The YouTube function? Screenshots function?
It's like they don't want a solid community...
 
I don't want to make a new thread to ask this, but is Lumines Supernova coming out today on PSN? I've seen some links that point to it being delayed till 2009, but the Playstation Pulse thing said that it's out today.
 
Everytime i log into home which is not often at all, i get at least one friend invite request, people ARE looking to meet other gamers and make friends, AMAZING :lol
 
spwolf said:
you can not give developers sdk 2 months before they release the game and tell them to integrate new functions... if SDK with home integration is ready now, then I expect 3rd party games that will be released next holidays will support it.

Things like xmb playlists started working 5-6 months after sdk was released, so it is unrealistic to expect developers to do home integration sooner... of course, Sony first party will use home earlier....
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Like Trophy integration ... its going to take some time to adopt but developers see value in it. HOME will need a strong adoption rate. Unlike Trophy integration .. I don't think HOME will ever be a platform where third parties NEED to offer anything. Its up to them. Its an excellent platform for promotion so this is where the value is.
 
WinFonda said:
Some of it it is contracted out to Q-Games. But also a lot of it is handled by Eric Lempel and SCEA, clearly they've listened to feedback and have implemented things into PSN/XMB at the peoples behest.
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If we have ingame XMB is because of SCEA efforts and not SCEJ >:(
 
spwolf said:
you can not give developers sdk 2 months before they release the game and tell them to integrate new functions... if SDK with home integration is ready now, then I expect 3rd party games that will be released next holidays will support it.

Things like xmb playlists started working 5-6 months after sdk was released, so it is unrealistic to expect developers to do home integration sooner... of course, Sony first party will use home earlier....
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Don't buy that..kits started going out the middle of 2007, version 1.0 was out since GDC this year at least.

I don't know what was in those kits, but I assume home matchmaking was in there at least, if not also item unlocking. Warhawk patched in home matchmaking ages ago now. There was no reason Sony couldn't have cracked the whip to have all their games supporting this for open beta. Namco Home Museum has item unlocking, so I guess the tools for that have been available for at least a while also.

I dunno, maybe we'll get the open beta and find other games that have support for matchmaking, who knows..but they've been keeping very quiet on that.
 
Billen said:
Great success!

Sp, anyone beside me that haven't even started their PS3 to check? :D
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I checked it right now. It updated to 1.3 then sat at the initializing screen. THen Network Error D5027 (no server connection).

At least it no longer does the "initialising... initializing" thing.

And it seems less jaggy at the large Home logo screen.
 
alterno69 said:
Everytime i log into home which is not often at all, i get at least one friend invite request, people ARE looking to meet other gamers and make friends, AMAZING :lol
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Same here.
 
I hope it comes today and there are no delays. I'm going home tomorrow until mid-January, and the PS3 in the apartment is my roommate's PS3 so I wouldn't be able to see it until I got back if that were the case. Come on Sony, don't give us more reason to call your system the Delaystation.
 
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