"PS3" unveiling cancelled
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chinch said:
And what are tech demos..?
Yeah, arguably pointless, but every system has them, and that's all that's really required of a first showing in most instances (except when you're close to launch, ala Xenon).
Anyway, the respective tech demos from previous generations gave a decent enough idea of what to expect from each visually, so in the absence of games I'd argue that they're not pointless. Many such demos are actually taken from early game development too, and those early non-playables tend to be accurate to how the final game will look at least.
the ps3 will have excellent graphics. duh. we don't need tech demos to prove it. (nor do we need them from MS or Nintendo).
showing PUBLIC "tech demos" 1.5 years before it ships in the USA at E3 is utterly pointless and would show a total lack of direction and confidence, nevermind waste resources given the PSP launch... and the importance of PSP this holiday.
showing PUBLIC "tech demos" 1.5 years before it ships in the USA at E3 is utterly pointless and would show a total lack of direction and confidence, nevermind waste resources given the PSP launch... and the importance of PSP this holiday.
chinch said:
Uhh..what?
This won't be PS3's last e3 before the US launch. This year will be a teaser compared to 06.
And you don't think it's important to have a solid visual idea of what PS3 games will look like? Sure, we know it'll have great graphics, but I'd like an idea of just how great, thanks very much.
Squirrel Killer
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chinch said:
Seeing as the PUBLIC is going to be the ones wowed (at least MS hopes so) by the NextBox 2 360 Xenon's graphics, and making their decisions on whether to get MS's offering or wait until the PS3 finally ships, combined with a dearth of actual games to show for the PS3 (given that the system is still ~1+ years away), showing tech demos is completely the opposite of pointless.
Even if I would have loved to know everything about PS3 this month,objectively it's better this way.
There's no need to rush on the presentation.It's much better to take the time to prepare the most impressive software to show the system's capabilities (be it tech demos,interactive stuff etc).
Also as someone suggested,considering that Microsoft will traditionally have its conference a day before Sony,they will have the possibility to make their product look the best as possible until the very last moment.
There's no need to rush on the presentation.It's much better to take the time to prepare the most impressive software to show the system's capabilities (be it tech demos,interactive stuff etc).
Also as someone suggested,considering that Microsoft will traditionally have its conference a day before Sony,they will have the possibility to make their product look the best as possible until the very last moment.
says a guy on a video game forum buying regardlessly :lolSquirrel Killer said:
joe public doesn't need (or want to have) reasons to hold off purchasing PS2, PS2 games, PSP and PSP games for the next 1.5 years. ps3 tech demos aren't gonna stop xbox2 early adopters. :lol
This isn't 1999.
Whenever they finally go public with concrete info they should talk about what their first party teams and the major third parties are working on. Polyphony, Insomniac, Naughty Dog, SCEA Santa Monica, and most of the SCEE teams have released games recently, and some still have more coming out this fall. Most of the "big" third party franchises have just had new installments as well. They could always be working on next gen stuff concurrently with their final PS2 games, but I want to know what they're up to and what they plan on releasing for launch and the months that follow.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
So Chinch, with do you think Sony should show at E3 as far as PS3 goes. Nothing? Leave all the press to MS and Nintendo? Doesn't seem very smart to me.
Let me remind you that MS also had tech demos, in a roundabout way, for their next gen machine.
Let me remind you that MS also had tech demos, in a roundabout way, for their next gen machine.
If they look sufficiently better than whatever is on the display on Xbox2, they might.
soundwave05
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PS3 dev kits are out, even to UK/US devs.
MCV Online already confirmed that.
I think the big PS3 unveiling will indeed be at E3 2006. They'll show off the technology and the specs.
Sony is not going to give Microsoft top billing.
Also I don't know about a November 2006 PS3 launch. It could just as well launch in August 2006 (similar to the SNES) and also near the start of the football season and back to school shopping.
MCV Online already confirmed that.
I think the big PS3 unveiling will indeed be at E3 2006. They'll show off the technology and the specs.
Sony is not going to give Microsoft top billing.
Also I don't know about a November 2006 PS3 launch. It could just as well launch in August 2006 (similar to the SNES) and also near the start of the football season and back to school shopping.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
E3 2006?
soundwave05
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Midas said:Hehe, sounds a bit late. No PS3 in Japan before May 2006?
Believe me, the level of tech inside this puppy is not going to be anything but cutting edge.
I think they could still launch in March 2006 for Japan, then August 2006 in North America.
The only reason they haven't unveiled the system yet is because they want to take a big piss on Microsoft's unveiling.
For Japan it doesn't matter when they unveil the PS3, they could wait to unveil the PS3 a month before launch there and it'd still dominate.
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
Perhaps this is because they have to rework their nex-gen controllers, since they lost their lawsuit to immersion?
Squirrel Killer
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chinch said:
Says a guy who has absolutely no idea what I'm going to do.
chinch said:
PS3 tech demos aren't going to stop Xbox2 early adopters, but they will give enough of a reason for the average person to wait for Sony's offering. You may be different now compared to what you were in 1999, but the market forces remain more or less the same. Sony wants to keep it's customers in its camp. If MS introduces the NextBox 2 360 Xenon Ultra at E3, and Sony shows zip, nada, siltch, nothing, people are going to start thinking more seriously about MS's offering. They're going to think that Sony's next system is far enough off that they'd rather buy MS's or Nintendo's new system than wait for Sony to get of their ass. Sony does not have a lock on the next generation, even though they are the best placed to dominate it. Since they probably don't have enough games to show, they had better have some demos.
soundwave05
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If the reports of PS3 being generously more powerful than the XBox 360 are true, and Sony makes a big fuss about that at E3 right after Microsoft's XBox 360 unveiling, I think it will put a cloud over the XBox 360 launch.
If they do indeed have the better hardware, its a great move for Sony to wait until E3 to unveil the system. Microsoft has no chance to upgrade their specs either.
If they do indeed have the better hardware, its a great move for Sony to wait until E3 to unveil the system. Microsoft has no chance to upgrade their specs either.
OG_Original Gamer
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soundwave05 said:
What are the chances the Xenon hardware has been finalized, particularly the GPU and memory amount?
In a way it doesn't matter if Sony was to unveil the console before E3, the console will be there either way.
Private demos & concept designs. In the booth limited specs and "concepts" that include an online plans, etc. that hype PS3 while not taking away from their current products.Marconelly said:
They need to sell PS2/PSP games thru next xmas. This E3 is for that.
Sony is not in the position where MS is or where they were in 1999. People here think they're going to put out rendered shots of Madden 2007 and MS/Nintendo will cancel their systems. :lol
Kleegamefan
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BINGO....that is my guess too...
soundwave05
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chinch said:
I have to say I disagree. PSP and PS2 are going to sell through holiday 2005 no matter what (especailly with a $99 price cut to PSTwo).
What Sony wants to do at E3 with PS3 I believe is plant that seed of "XBox 360 looks good, but I'm going to wait for PS3, that's even better".
Sony did unveil the PS2 like 18 months before the US launch and it didn't hamper PSOne sales at all. It did bug the shit out of Sega though.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
But what about nintendo...
They just launched DS not 6 months ago
Revolution will probably be out around the time of PS3
Revolution will ALSO be shown @ E3...around 1.5 years before launch
It will be shown in the US before Japan
There are 3 main console companies (MS/SONY/NINTENDO)...one is launching this year and the other 2 are doing very similar things on a near identical timeframe, as we can see...
They just launched DS not 6 months ago
Revolution will probably be out around the time of PS3
Revolution will ALSO be shown @ E3...around 1.5 years before launch
It will be shown in the US before Japan
There are 3 main console companies (MS/SONY/NINTENDO)...one is launching this year and the other 2 are doing very similar things on a near identical timeframe, as we can see...
OG_Original Gamer said:
there is no doubt that the Xenon architecture is totally finalized. however, that doesnt necessarily mean that the final Xenon spec is finalized. memory amount and speed/bandwidth can change. CPU and GPU clockspeeds can change.
dare I say that even the amount of cores in the CPU and ALUs / processing units within the GPU can change ? that is less likely than the above, but still within the realm of possibility, I would imagine.
gofreak said:Actually, I think it's more like a couple of hours before Sony? The press tends to travel from one presentation to the next on that morning, IIRC?
Would only add to the tension!
I rember that Microsoft's conference is always on the first day.
Then Sony's on the second day with Nintendo a few hours later than Sony.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
People who will be buying PS2s this christmas are completely different crowd from those who are/will be hyped up about PS3 come E3. It will be a budget console at that point. PSP is it's own beast. I don't think people will be in confusion over whether to buy a PSP now or wait for PS3, the machines are just too different to be confusing that way. At the time of E3, PS3 launch window will be only a year away. It's a perfect time to show off some important details of the machine, with more detailed unveiling at TGS to follow.
Smiles and Cries
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chinch said:
can you please post something worth reading
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
This is just the way Sony does things, historically...
PSOne
The original PlayStation was announced in the summer of 1993 (when SCE was first established) and shown to UK developers in December 1993 in London....
The next month (January 1994) PSX was shown to US developers and SCEA was established May 1994 in Foster City, CA...
PSX was launched Dec 3, 1994 in Japan and 9/9/95 in the US...so from its first UK showing to US launch=21 months...
PS2
The Emotion Engine was first shown at a microprocessor event in Feb 1999 and then the entire "next-generation PlayStation" chipset/demos was shown off March 2nd 1999 in Japan with the "Glimpse of the Future" presentation...
Later in March, the PS2 demos were shown once again for US developers at GDC 1999 (I was there) and then we had the empty E3 1999 PS2 demos that have been spoken about earlier in this thread..
Flash forward to September 1999 and the actual PS2 was shown @ TGS, the system launched in Japan March 4, 2000 and then in the US Oct. 26, 2000 so from the first EE showing to US launch=20 months (notice a pattern here)
PS3
So now we have the PS3, which will be shown off at E3, May 2005....
PS3 will probably have a US launch in the Sept-Nov. 2006 timeframe....if it launches Sept. 2006 that would be 16 months from E3 2005 and if they launch in november 2006 that would be a 18 month gap from E3 2005...this is the shortest gap sofar....
If anything, Sony is showing PS3 *LATE* not "early".....if you compare to what they have done in the past....
Squirrel Killer
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Firest0rm said:This is all because of that lawsuit, after getting sued for the DualShock 2, Sony has to come up with a new controller. They don't want to get into more shit because of the DualShock 3. Looks like they'll have actually come up with an orignal controller this time
I'll note the smiley, but still knock you upside yer goshdarn noggin. The lawsuit had nothing to do with the external design of the controller, but everything to do with the tech inside the controller. I seriously doubt that designing new rumble tech, or, if nothing else, licensing the tech would cause any sort of announcement delay.
As for the implied knock against Sony that their controller design is stale, I'd at least commend them for keep some measure of compatibility between the PS1 and PS2. I'm sick and tired of having to buy new controllers for every machine every generation.
FeedMeAStrayCat
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Squirrel Killer said:
I'm tired of having to use pretty much the same controller for PS1 and PS2 games for the past 10 years. I just don't see why everyone loves this controller so much..
The analog sticks blow. The placement of them and their sensitivity suck, in my opinion.
I like the D-pad. That's good. That's about it.
It's not a horrible controller.. but it's nothing special, and I've been using it for what seems like forever.That said, the PS3 better have a "new" controller. Not just a different color and some pressure sensitive buttons (maybe the shoulder buttons will be now too! yay!)..
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Shoulder buttons are already pressure sensitive on DS2.
FeedMeAStrayCat
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Marconelly said:
Heh, that shows how effective and noticeable they are.. :lol How about the start button and such? Is THAT pressure sensitive? If not, then that's the PS3 upgrade. You heard it here first.