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PS4 Pro. 4K TV mode vs 1080p TV mode and the benefits.
- Thread starter Venom Fox
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Same boat. Got a Sony 4k before the HDR stuff. I'm very disappointed with the new uhd player but if my games at least could look noticeably better on my 4k non-HDR set I may still pull the trigger.
Might at least preorder and cancel. Hard to tell benefits without an actual 4k feed to see.
Its a tricky situation because the majority of players are on the OG platform, so if you show your game to run like shit compared to the new hardware, said people are going to be pissed.
Cant wait for the "GT sports runs like ass" on the original PS4 comments...
888
Member
Meaning 1080p will get higher quality assets and effects at a higher frame rate while 4k will get lower framerate and lower effects to be able to accomplish the resolution. Maybe im reading you reading something else wrong
NowhereFaded
Member
I have a 4K without HDR. Am I screwed?
Yes,sell it back and get a 1080p set,it will look better then a 4K in HDR... sarcastic.
Na, 4K still looks great, especially from native 4K content but HDR is the real game changer.
Meaning 1080p will get higher quality assets and effects at a higher frame rate while 4k will get lower framerate and lower effects to be able to accomplish the resolution. Maybe im reading you reading something else wrong
So 1080p sets are better then 4K sets now...4K will look better then 1080p,just like 1080 looked better then 720 and 720 better then 480,etc,etc,c'mon man...
Meaning 1080p will get higher quality assets and effects at a higher frame rate while 4k will get lower framerate and lower effects to be able to accomplish the resolution. Maybe im reading you reading something else wrong
Wouldn't that require a game to have two versions of every asset? Maybe with textures you could do that systematically, but for models I don't know how you would do that.
Unless I'm misunderstanding something I don't think most developers would create and include multiple versions of their assets in a game; game files are already really big.
Typicalrik
Member
So I am confused...and need clarification...what will an HDR enabled patch for the regular ps4 mean? What will it actually do for someone that has a 1080p tv?
I get the feeling that there was a lot they wanted to say could be done with 1080p but felt that they couldn't promise at this point. Here's to hoping devs are interested in taking advantage despite not being required to.
rokkerkory
Member
Messaging here can be better
NowhereFaded
Member
I was about to say...
Although ps4 games look phenomenal on the thing . True 120htz too! I love it!
You will be hard pressed to find a 1080p TV with HDR. HDR was only really introduced with 4K sets, though I think the LG OLED displays might support at least HDR 10.
I think it means its essentially up to the developer- theres no rules on how it should treat 1080p owners
Lone Wolf
Member
It will do nothing for a 1080p TV. I still need clarification on how PS4 with its 1.4 HDMI will even support HDR. It is supposed to require HDMI 2.0a which is supposedly a hardware upgrade.
IMACOMPUTA
Member
I always wondered why games didn't do stuff like this for 720p displays vs 1080p.
Any chance they'll include a 720p profile?
Any chance they'll include a 720p profile?
2.5 does native 1080p no AA at 1080p setting, 720 with no AA at 720p setting, and on the 480p setting its just downscaled 720p
batman2million
Member
MS made the choice easy for me by putting their games on PC. I do wanna play the games at their best but this is gonna be a tough choice. Best to see how this plays out before pulling the trigger.
Neuromancer
Member
I'm right there with you
Assuming Scorpio uses a new CPU
RamaTheVoice
Member
From what I've read Sony is actively enforcing the fact that games can't run better in 4K on PS4 Pro than they would in 1080p on OG PS4, so as not to "blur the line between generations" or whatever. Obviously GT Sports will probably run better on PS4 Pro in 1080p (except for MP) but them's the breaks.
I'm guessing it'll be more of a question of LOD scaling. Most current-gen games already have high-detail models but the engine lowers their complexity as you get farther away from them.
I imagine 1080p mode on PS4 Pro will enable devs to show you high-detail geometry further away than is currently the case.
Brutal Deluxe
Member
Anyone know if the Pro will need to run through an HDMI 2.2 port to get the higher res/HDR stuff in games?
RamaTheVoice
Member
^ Isn't 4K + HDR exclusive to HDMI 2.2? If so then I would guess yes.
brokenbeans
Banned
Man all these threads make me wanna do is just wait till the next actual generation.
This gen is pissing me off, trying to sell me a 4K tv when I don't actually need one.
Can we just get games running perfectly in 1080p first or consoles that can actually run the resolution and a stable frame rate please.
This gen is pissing me off, trying to sell me a 4K tv when I don't actually need one.
Can we just get games running perfectly in 1080p first or consoles that can actually run the resolution and a stable frame rate please.
AbandonedTrolley
Member
Team 4K no HDR Ergh! Guess I'll look to replace the TV in the new year.
Ergh! Guess I'll look to replace the TV in the new year.
Brutal Deluxe
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Possibly. I thought it was 4K/60 that required the 2.2?
My biggest concern is that most devs will just not bother with any enhancements to 1080p. If they don't require it, I don't see why many developers would spend money to make significant visual and performance improvements for 1080p users.
The wishywashy language around the benefits of the PS4Pro to those without a HDR equipped 4K display does not inspire me to spend $400 on their product.
The wishywashy language around the benefits of the PS4Pro to those without a HDR equipped 4K display does not inspire me to spend $400 on their product.
Wow, no.
Yeah, doesn't seem good performance is a thing they're going for, gotta sell those TVs! Im sure 4K HDR is nice but many users don't even seem to have HDR. I just think the push for 4K seems premature. I would've preferred a big push in 1080p graphics and performance for Pro and 4K focus with PS5. Instead the conference seemed a glorified TV advert. I think Scorpio seems in a better position for waiting, maybe 4K adoption will be higher. It also helps that it'll have a better CPU? I think that holds out hope for some better performance.
nelsonroyale
Member
Yeah, I want them to be clearer on 1080p benefits because that is what I am looking at.
NXGamer
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They all depend on a title by title basis.
Rise of the tomb raider has 3 modes with an unlocked 1080/mode and then a capped 30 better quality mode.
Second son patched also, and all titles have will have a supersampled option.
I would expect 1st party and key partners to have more. I am actively contacting parties now to gather as much information as possible.
bryanee
Member
Its going to happen regardless especially when Digital Foundry do their thing. Its best for them to get out of the gate with all consumers knowing the differences before a game launches.
Sweet! If you get anymore info please share it and I'll update the OP with it.
Looks like it yes. The modes are basically PC graphics settings with games like Paragon and For Honour getting environment improvements as well.
Also it was announced on the live panel that 1080p users will get super sampling!
The 4K detail will be lost if you sit far enough from the TV. I have a 4K TV and tested playing PC games @4K. It's much more appreciated on a PC then a console because console players sit on a couch, or like me play in the bed. I'm more interested in the improvements for 1080p.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
That's literally what the PS4 Pro is though.....
Confused Cheeseburger
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
For all games, yes?