JohnnySasaki86
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Thuway needs to modify his avatar to have no feathers. He said he would eat them if it went a mb higher then 4gb. Seriously, we should make him. Hes now a plucked bird. lol
PS4 Ram vs. Durango Ram: How big of a difference does it make?
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Thuway needs to modify his avatar to have no feathers. He said he would eat them if it went a mb higher then 4gb. Seriously, we should make him. Hes now a plucked bird. lol
lol Definitely.
First the CPU and now moved to the GPU, you are probably setting up yourself for disappointment.
Like I said I'll gladly take a few flops less instead of being forced out of used games/always online and Kinect focus.
You need to link this post since bg has posted more info on what he knows;
I had no idea that the GPUs were essentially (for all intents and purposes) confirmed. For some reason I thought that if they were talking better RAM for the PS4, that the Durango would have a better GPU or something.
But wasn't the PS3 supposed to pants the 360 spec-wise in the first place? Other than optical storage size, there really hasn't been the gap in ability that I expected (given the reactons to the specs of both of them when they were coming out, at least).
But wasn't the PS3 supposed to pants the 360 spec-wise in the first place? Other than optical storage size, there really hasn't been the gap in ability that I expected (given the reactons to the specs of both of them when they were coming out, at least).
I always set myself up.
Put me in the crazy camp that was hoping the 8GB on PS4 rumor from Edge was real.
I lucked out that time. Maybe I'll luck out again
PS3 had a better CPU & 360 had a better GPU. That's in simple terms, besides the PS3 having a split mem arch and a more complex CPU to code for - both downsides in the long run.
Outside of exclusives.
The split memory architecture and the complexity of coding Cell was a upside to no one.
The power of the Cell was the upside to exclusives.
BoboBrazil
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There's basically no downside to the PS4 this time. Easy to develop for, more powerful, and Sony listened to devs when creating it. Just not sure why anyone would want a 720 at this point, especially with the people gone from the MS gaming division that made their first two systems good.
Naughty Dog and co. had to actually dig in and write some parts of their games in assembly to even unlock that though. That's some obtuse ass design right there.
I mean, some people go in for addressing each byte of memory as they go but the average developer is going to just ask you to shoot him and put him out of his misery instead. That was the problem with the PS3. Sony was used to the PS2 where everyone toed the line and tolerated their obtuse hardware design because it was King Kong. As soon as another viable alternative that wasn't torture to work with came along they all jumped ship.
Also, the hardware gap between the PS3 and Xbox 360 was never the equivalent of:
1. A 1.8 TFLOPs, 18 RU GPU versus a 1.2 TFLOPs, 12 RU GPU
2. 176GB/s GDDR5 v. 32MB of ~100GB/s ESRAM and ~68GB/s DDR3
The PS3/360 split was much more equitable in that they each had relative strengths and weaknesses. So far all substantial rumors just point to either parity or a PS4 strength.
Krappadizzle
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I love system wars. When PS4 has any indication it's throne may be questioned, I think this will come up more and more. It'll move to, doesn't matter about power, fuck Kinect.
Granted time will tell, and I'd love to be wrong for the sake of consumerism, but from the information that we've been given, it seems that PS4 is going to trump the next MS output. Though, next to GoW and Uncharted, there isn't much as far as exclusives are concerned that Sony has me in awe of. I think I'll pick up whatever does the best Multiplats, if both those are equal in a negligible way, than whatever one has the better exclusives.
I see that you jump to conclusions easily. bgassassin is the only person saying that the jaguar cores were beefier in Durango and he's also saying a bunch of other negative things. You cant just pick out the information to push your agenda, take it all or leave it.
As it stands right now, Edge has the only article that got it right 100%. And they're saying the same negative things (minus the CPU upgrade) for the Xbox that bgassassin is saying. At this point in time if MS announces second hand games playable and no always online madate then those are megatons IMO.
It's more like... "there's no way PS4 will have 8GB of GDDR5, cuz that'd be too awesome/expensive" to now "No way MS can make changes to hardware even though the spec leaks are a year old".
pretty much
James Sawyer Ford
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It's one thing to up the quantity of RAM
it's a whole different ballgame to expect a change in silicon, even with specs that are claimed to be a year old.
No one has said that, people are just pointing out that it is not simple to over clock something massivey or add a brand new GPU/CPU. Some people seem to be clinging to the hope that microsoft can just up and change the CPU/GPU 2 days before release.
Hey if MS is dumb enough to sit on those specs for a year without changing anything, unlike Sony... Then they deserve to have crap ports compared to PS4.
If any changes were made... It already happened months ago.
He is right unless you want RROD or 2014 and for the company to spend an extra 500 million.
JohnnySasaki86
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one word: Price
You're a credible insider, but you almost had me with that 2014 release for Sony to have 8GB. You still up for your feathers to be plucked?
BoboBrazil
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PS4 will come in at $399. Do you think MS will price the next xbox less than that? Sony has the benefit of having their conference at e3 after MS too, so they can hold price announcement until after MS releases theirs to match if needed.
Changes can happen, but they will not be major, same CPU and same GPU will be in there.
And from what I've read its stock GCN.
Nobody gave a shit on message boards. I'm pretty sure Factor 5 were big fans of it though.
The Gamecube, with technically inferior silicon and far less ram (48MB to the Xbox's 128MB if I recall) gave the Xbox a legitimate run for it's money, largely thanks to very impressive texturing (seen in all of Factor 5's games, RE4, etc.)
You've provided a case were higher RAM bandwidth actually made a tangible difference here.
Are you willing to bet?
If there were massive changes made it's hard to believe no developer with a kit has leaked it. We're at the point now where too many people need to have some basic access to the projected goal for rumors from credible sources like EDGE not to have some real merit to them.
I don't make bets, since I'm not a insider.
Thuway made a bet and didn't live up to his word.
JohnnySasaki86
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http://www.computerandvideogames.co...ox-720-and-playstation-4-details-be-revealed/
SuperDaE is a hacker. So take a wild guess at how he obtained Durango info.
You dont have to be an insider to make bets, just belief in your instinct.
SuperDAE is not the end-all of all rumors, we had a lot of information long before he came into the picture. loltaku taking credit for information that was already known.
My instinct is that MS is going into another gen as the underdog. It only seems fitting.
Or had someone give him information and access.
I would be careful throwing those words around.
Exploiting default passwords on accounts is not hacking in my eyes.
Well "security analyst" is a proper term. Best case scenario he lands a job with MS. He's been doing free PR for a invisible console on Twitter anyway.
SolidSnakex
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You could absolutely be right, but I just think that in the end both consoles will look fairly similar on paper. The main difference will likely come down to just how much RAM each gives up to the OS.
Haven't there been serious leaks since then? The next-gen Kinect was detailed just a few days ago. Then you have bgassassin's new info.
Convenient? The rumors so far are that MS are being harder to talk to and Sony is opening up, certainly that's not the stance an underdog is supposed to take.
You have kept insisting that an CPU upgrade is given, GPU might happen, Memory architecture can change .. I just want to take you up on this bet.
(edit: Nothing at stake, just a moral victory)According to JohnnySasaki86, he believes the CPU info was already there. I really don't know who to believe anymore.
Convenient? The rumors so far are that MS are being harder to talk to and Sony is opening up, certainly that's not the stance an underdog is supposed to take.
You have kept insisting that an CPU upgrade is given, GPU might happen, Memory architecture can change .. I just want to take you up on this bet.
I'll eat crow if you're right. Crytek made me eat crow already.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
PS4 specs for major components were likely established by February of last year as well.
Only thing that can really change beyond that point is something like adding more RAM.
Both would generate stunning games and I doubt third parties would put all the extra resources into 3GB/s more worth of textures and the obvious redources to use it. Of course if they wanted to just double the texture res they might.
You seem adamant that Microsoft cannot possibly have been happy with the direction they were taking and stuck with it, but I don't understand why.
Until 3 days ago everyone seemed content that while the PS4 would have more bandwidth available, the extra 4GB and ESRAM on Durango would if not negate it, at least make it less of a problem for multi platform games. They appeared to both be approaching a memory problem from different angles where one platform would have advantages in one area while the other would have advantages in another. The extra Triceratops on the PS4 GPU would be handy but not enough to add 30FPs or go from 720-1080. Things would be close.
Now suddenly Sony at the 11th hour add an extra 4GB of RAM completely unbeknownst to even some of their 1st party teams, and now Microsoft must surely have been planning something else all along?
It would be perfectly normal for them to have a design in place and then be working towards it over time.
And also you can increase RAM not change RAM types. No going from DDR3 to DDR4.
You can't lock down every studio working on a next gen Xbox game. That reads like corporate policy for internal projects.
And that's my point. It's too late in the game for near final dev kits to not be out in the wild. If there was a massive game changer someone would have ran their mouth to a journo, just like with the PS4. Unless MS expects 3rd parties to put games together in six months they have to play by those same rules as everyone else.
And I'll do if you are.
Didn't some guy in another thread said investors were disappointed at Durango's specs? If that is true that might have led to something being changed.
Funny I remember people went on and on singing virtues of the EDRAM in 360. I guess RAM speed doesn't matter now because the advantage is not flowing in certain direction right?
Dave Perry from Gaikai was thanking Sony at the press conference for finally greenlighting the program. I'm willing to bet the gaikai stuff wasn't in the developer builds yet and the video recording and streaming might take up a lot of ram. I don't know how much ram the games themselves will actually get. 6GB maybe?
umm let's see:
cost I'll wager PS4 $579 (see they didn't go $599US) 720 $299- $399
Friends who want to stay on Live
Xbox exclusives
Regardless of the power hyperbole of the past two days, Games will look and play very similar to most people (not GAF)
Features that we don't even know about yet that are part of the vision/experience beyond raw gaming power
So when you say anyone, you should probably say dudebros and gaffers.
umm let's see:
cost I'll wager PS4 $579 (see they didn't go $599US) 720 $299- $399
Friends who want to stay on Live
Xbox exclusives
Games will look and play very similar to most people (not GAF)
Features that we don't even know about yet that are part of the vision/experience beyond raw gaming power
So when you say anyone, you should probably say dudebros and gaffers.
The 720 will not be $300 cheaper.