Varteras
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I'm no PlayStation, but I could use a few hundred dollars...
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PS5 Pro developer verdict: ‘I didn’t meet a single person that understood the point of it’
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I'm no PlayStation, but I could use a few hundred dollars...
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Few hundreds? WTF? Call girls charge $80 for this here lmao.
Senua
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JerryinSoCal
Member
I think some people believe they invest in this like they would a new generation console or close to it, they know it's only going to be for the hardcore player and they see it being worth the investment so clearly they aren't spending that much time or money on it.
Varteras
Member
You ain't never had a Vart Special
Tqaulity
Member
Dude I hear you, but that's the target audience of the PS5 Pro. I've been on the record as saying most of pixel counting and frame rate analysis goes unnoticed by the vast majority of gamers today (especially on consoles). They simply don't see it and don't care. And the differences with most hybrid RT implementations is subtle at best to the average gamer and requires a trained eye to point it out to them (I'm speaking from experience). That said, to the graphics enthusiasts and the DF crowd, the enhancements that the Pro can bring should be noticeable and meaningful. As someone who has played Returnal on PC maxed out and platinumed the PS5 version, there is a tangible difference in IQ vs the PS5.I don't think this gives the juice you think it does. Here is DF's post on Returnal PC vs. PS5:
Returnal's PC port is good - but it could be great
The Digital Foundry verdict on the PC port of Housemarque's PS5 masterpiece.www.eurogamer.net
It's funny because he even says "look at the jump in image quality", and looking at the provided screenshot, it's like, "yea... Ok, I see it, but who cares really"
And sure some do, but this takes me back to my original point. The PS4 Pro upgrade was obvious and easy to sell, and coincided with 4K TVs. If screenshot comparisons like what are in that article is what they have to sell the PS5 Pro on, they don't have much.
TheInfamousKira
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TheInfamousKira - ruining threads since 2020.
Audiophile
Member
"Only two of my three buckets are full, so no one else should be able to buy six buckets.
Oh look, it's raining..!"
Oh look, it's raining..!"
Pov, over the shoulder view is the easiest, the least risky, doesn't mean it's bad, you saw Alan Wake 2 with limited pov, you get the point, they aren't created equal, then you have back camera with wider pov like ff 15, there's nothing new and ground breaking here, devs have figured out these types long time ago, then fp pov.
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Audiophile
Member
I hear Sony dispatch a team of Ninjas in the night to secretly underclock one base PS5 for every PS5 Pro sold though.
Hero_Select
Member
The internet loves to shit on Xbox so idk what you're on about. Weird thing to bring up.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
If it has the same CPU I don't get it either.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Kind of related but here’s the survey result from PushSquare’s audience
Topher
Identifies as young
Kind of related but here’s the survey result from PushSquare’s audience
34% interested
34% Not interested
33% in the middle
About as even a distribution of responses you'll see.
I'm not okay if I could only list less than 20 games like the 4 pro, pc numbers are way bigger.
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Games support.
SenkiDala
Member
I don't feel it is needed either, the only games that seems to be technically limited like FFVII Rebirth recently... And it is not a hardware problem but an engine problem.
When you see games like HFW, God of WAR R, GT7, Forza Horizon, RE4R... Yeah those are true wonders running perfectly on PS5... So no that console (neither the XSX) seems to be limited at all yet.
But yeah it's like iPhone Pros... 99.99% of sales are for 19yo ladies who will just use those to check instagram and TikTok anyways...
I might get one eventually (not on day one, really feels useless now) and end up playing Castlevania Collection on it.
When you see games like HFW, God of WAR R, GT7, Forza Horizon, RE4R... Yeah those are true wonders running perfectly on PS5... So no that console (neither the XSX) seems to be limited at all yet.
But yeah it's like iPhone Pros... 99.99% of sales are for 19yo ladies who will just use those to check instagram and TikTok anyways...
I might get one eventually (not on day one, really feels useless now) and end up playing Castlevania Collection on it.
Perrott
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Megatron
Member
But will that be before the PS6 comes out? Cause they got fuck-all this year.Our resident insiderHeisenbergFX4 told us all we need to know about it. When Sony best studios will show us what they can do with it I hope that most people will understand what is the point of it.
Gojiira
Member
See what I mean? But the Series S wont be holding ALL of them back?? Such a joke…
Boss Mog
Member
We haven't seen any games running on the PS5 Pro and so we don't even know what the gains will be yet but you have some clown quoting "people" who say it's unneeded. The fact that he says those "people" aren't using the full potential of the PS5 as it stands leads me to believe it's some shitty indie dev, and so of course, to those guys, a PS5 Pro is pointless; most of their shitty games could run on a PS3. Most of them only care about promoting "the message" anyway.
If the PS5 Pro allows a game like FF16 to run at a solid 60fps in its performance mode, then it'll prove that it was valid to have one.
If the PS5 Pro allows a game like FF16 to run at a solid 60fps in its performance mode, then it'll prove that it was valid to have one.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
They prioritised high performance PC’s first and everything else suffered, which is why other devs normally take the other path normally.
vaibhavpisal
Member
All the devs should have unlocked frame rate and DRS mode.
So that upcoming hardware will make use of it automatically. No need to optimise separately for new machine.
Then give customers option to buy $500, $700, $1000 boxes, whatever they like. Faster CPU even.
I think this will be ideal situation. For current gen, PS5 pro might not be as useful, probably.
So that upcoming hardware will make use of it automatically. No need to optimise separately for new machine.
Then give customers option to buy $500, $700, $1000 boxes, whatever they like. Faster CPU even.
I think this will be ideal situation. For current gen, PS5 pro might not be as useful, probably.
anothertech
Member
Dam this is a bad take. Dring sounds like a tool
"I don't get better resolution and load times. Hurrr I just dont get it"
"I don't get better resolution and load times. Hurrr I just dont get it"
WhamBamThankYouMaam
Member
You know what does sell? Games that are good and actually uses the hardware fully.
Physiognomonics
Member
It's much more needed. When PS4 Pro was released PS4 games were running at native 1080p with decent image quality. I bought a Pro to get slighty better framerate in a few games, not run at higher resolution my already good looking games.
Now games are still 1080p with awful image quality (albeit running at 60fps for the most part). PS5 Pro is going to improve exactly what we want this time, fidelity and IQ.
Crayon
Member
This is true. Most PS4 games I was playing around then were 1080p native and ran at a reliable 30fps. Now, the pro is not yet announced but we are starting to see high profile games either including performance modes with low resolutions or stuck at 30fps. It's not an epidemic level or anything, but it's happening.
HeisenbergFX4
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Given the specs of the PS5 Pro being only a 40% increase in real world GPU compute and pretty much the same CPU, it almost feels like that’s precisely the point.
I don’t think it’s supposed to be a big mid-gen upgrade. The start of this gen was so slow due to cross-gen, COVID and the semiconductor shortages, and Sony probably got wind of MS not planning any mid-refresh, and so Sony decided to instead focus the PS5 Pro around being a more subtle upgrade, not focusing on raw hardware performance, but instead enabling more modern technologies like AI compute and advnces RT as a test-bed for the PS6.
If you take this generation as a case study, unlike previous gens, game budgets are so large, development times so long and multiplatform development so complex (due to MS’s fragmentation of the console market with their Series S tard pack) that devs no long have the internal core tech resources to considerably advance their internal game engine tech to take full advantage of all the advanced hardware features that came with the launch of the base consoles. Things like geometry shaders, on the fly data streaming of stuff like geometry etc (enabled by the massive jump in mass storage and i/O performance) have mostly gone massively underutilised.
By now, every major AAA dev should have had their own micropolygon redndering solution (a la Nanite) baked into their own proprietary game engines, and even those using UE should have optimised their games to leverage the ready-made Nanite technology pre-rolled by Epic in the middleware engine. None of that has happened.
Instead, games are still stuck using mostly last-gen rendering tech and so it’s no surprise gamers are disappointed by the lack of meaningful upgrade in the latest AAA sequels of last-gen games, e.g. Spiderman 2.
Sony launching a PS5 Pro that doesn’t provide a huge delta in performance from the base console is actually a really smart strategic decision. It means devs can’t rely on raw compute alone to justify the Pro version of their games as the defacto way to play their titles. It keeps the base console relevant, meaning owners of those consoles aren’t completely left behind with borderline unplayable ports (e.g. Control on the PS4). And it lets those devs looking to test out the latest and greatest rendering tech like AI SS and advanced RT flex their muscles; which also benefits high end PC gamers because their $3000 GPUs now see higher more complete feature utilisation in the latest games.
I was completely against the idea of another Pro. But seeing the meagre specs of the PS5 Pro i’m actually more positive now that it will have a much more positive impact on the market than the PS4 Pro did. It’s essentially just a PS5 but with some additional GPU features. That’s a good thing and I think it’s intentional.
I don’t think it’s supposed to be a big mid-gen upgrade. The start of this gen was so slow due to cross-gen, COVID and the semiconductor shortages, and Sony probably got wind of MS not planning any mid-refresh, and so Sony decided to instead focus the PS5 Pro around being a more subtle upgrade, not focusing on raw hardware performance, but instead enabling more modern technologies like AI compute and advnces RT as a test-bed for the PS6.
If you take this generation as a case study, unlike previous gens, game budgets are so large, development times so long and multiplatform development so complex (due to MS’s fragmentation of the console market with their Series S tard pack) that devs no long have the internal core tech resources to considerably advance their internal game engine tech to take full advantage of all the advanced hardware features that came with the launch of the base consoles. Things like geometry shaders, on the fly data streaming of stuff like geometry etc (enabled by the massive jump in mass storage and i/O performance) have mostly gone massively underutilised.
By now, every major AAA dev should have had their own micropolygon redndering solution (a la Nanite) baked into their own proprietary game engines, and even those using UE should have optimised their games to leverage the ready-made Nanite technology pre-rolled by Epic in the middleware engine. None of that has happened.
Instead, games are still stuck using mostly last-gen rendering tech and so it’s no surprise gamers are disappointed by the lack of meaningful upgrade in the latest AAA sequels of last-gen games, e.g. Spiderman 2.
Sony launching a PS5 Pro that doesn’t provide a huge delta in performance from the base console is actually a really smart strategic decision. It means devs can’t rely on raw compute alone to justify the Pro version of their games as the defacto way to play their titles. It keeps the base console relevant, meaning owners of those consoles aren’t completely left behind with borderline unplayable ports (e.g. Control on the PS4). And it lets those devs looking to test out the latest and greatest rendering tech like AI SS and advanced RT flex their muscles; which also benefits high end PC gamers because their $3000 GPUs now see higher more complete feature utilisation in the latest games.
I was completely against the idea of another Pro. But seeing the meagre specs of the PS5 Pro i’m actually more positive now that it will have a much more positive impact on the market than the PS4 Pro did. It’s essentially just a PS5 but with some additional GPU features. That’s a good thing and I think it’s intentional.
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Btw, don't forget, with such long development cycles developers should start now to create games releasing on the next generation... This is so absurd.
Or we just get another generation that is like the current where games just look a bit better. Or we get AI generated games in the near future
Or we just get another generation that is like the current where games just look a bit better. Or we get AI generated games in the near future
WitchHunter
Banned
If it looks good, like a ps4 PRO, I'm interrasted.
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SkylineRKR
Member
The best example was when Tony Hawk next-gen patch came out. PS5 was wrongly being billed 1080p in 120hz mode, and people went blabbering about how shitty the game looked on PS5 in 120hz while in reality it was the same as XSX at 1440p. Most people absolutely don't know what the fuck they are on about and I seriously wonder if they even enjoy a game.
Thing is Returnal legit looks and plays excellent and throws around millions of particles. But then DF comes in, and deduces its internal 1080p and people go ham over it. Suddenly the PS5 is a poor console. I just don't get it. A few of the most boring games this gen for me were Horizon 2, Rift Apart and Callisto Protocol. Probably the best looking PS5 games out there. Returnal, in 1080p, is probably my number one PS5 exclusive.
Then i read cross-gen is holding development back. All the while Horizon 2 is perhaps the best looking PS5 game and FFVII Rebirth despite being next-gen only looks worse than Remake in quite some parts. Is it a third party issue? Well, Spider Man 2 doesn't look like a quantum leap over the first game either.
Games of Today
Member
Can Sony just make some fucking sick first party games already. Can't believe God of War, Horizon and Spiderman are like the only actual games we got so far.
JerryinSoCal
Member
We have a lot more UE5 games coming in the back half of this gen, so far most of them have had issues with low native resolutions that have negatively impacted image quality, if that's ok with you that's fine you don't need to buy one but for those of us that would like something better we have the option which is great.
March Climber
Gold Member
They're taking the year off from releasing big established IP and this will be a third party year. At best you will have some Japanese/Korean devs that will release fun exclusive stuff. Look forward to Stellar Blade next.
If you're one of the types who don't count Console/PC exclusive as an exclusive, then look forward to whatever Japanese devs release broken PC ports to count as another console exclusive.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
By the end they released a game which pushes the potential of PS5 Pro, the PS6 would have been released.Btw, don't forget, with such long development cycles developers should start now to create games releasing on the next generation... This is so absurd.
Or we just get another generation that is like the current where games just look a bit better. Or we get AI generated games in the near future
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
XeSS is the DLSS competitor.
MaKTaiL
Member
I'm talking about the console space.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
DLSS isn’t on console lol.
Stealth_Cobra
Member
Only thing this mid generation pro "upgrades" do is make me want to reconsider ever buying a launch Sony console ever again since they've now proved multiple times that the early adopters get shafted as they pay premium at launch , get the crappy defective first version hardware, wait two years for some games to start appearing, then have to suffer the rest of the generation using dated hardware knowing they are not playing the best version of their games... Or pay twice like a sucker for similar hardware. Sony, Just ride the console till it's ready to retire and then change generations where it's really necessary. Trying to nickle and dime your users into buying two consoles per generation, that's not gonna cut it...
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playsaves3
Banned
And that’s fine if it’s a 500$ machine … not a 6-700 one
sendit
Member
I'm pretty sure he meant "It's finally time we got a DLSS equivalent on console". Then you would have replied with "dur tuh dur....FSR on console is a DLSS equivalent."