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PS5 Pro Pricing Discussion Thread
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
The PS4 was profitable even at 299.
The PS5 still isn't profitable even at 499.
proandrad
Member
Guy isn’t even comparing the right iPhone model, iPhone pro max is the premium iPhone and it’s priced at $1199.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Doubt it's a paltry $100 considering they're selling it for 75% more than the regular model. It does NOT cost 75% more to produce. Their margins with the Pro are higher without a doubt, which isn't all that rare when the 2080 Ti cost like $400 to manufacture but was sold for $1000. Premium products typically have higher margins and Sony is going for this.
You have to understand I bought a PS5 Pro in 2016 for $550 CAD. It came with a disc drive. I also bought one year of PS+ for $60 CAD and a Dual Shock 4 for $70 CAD. Total was $680 CAD. I want the same things now? $950 PS5 Pro. $100 CAD disc drive. $95 DualSense. $95 PS+ for a total of $1240. I'm paying damn near double what I was paying back in 2016. I can build a good mid-range PC for that price even in Canadian dollars, something I sure as shit couldn't do in 2016 with that money. Even accounting for inflation and the exchange rate, the prices are terrible.
I'm not happy with the prices and here you are batting for Sony telling me I got no reason to complain.
MostlyPeaceful
Banned
There was no Pro equivalent iPhones in 2013.
That class of iPhone wasn’t introduced until 2017 and it was introduced at a $999 price
The same price as the current Pro models are today, 7 years later.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Pretty sure PS4 and PS4 Pro both launched at $400. And both had a disc drive.
PS5 with drive launch was $500, and Pro with additional drive to match is $780.
Something looks totally off here.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Is the stand included with the Slim and older models?
Bond007
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Vick
Gold Member
Just watch the damn video man:
He says "PS5 Pro is close to doubling the power of PS5".
Forgive me if I've learned I should just trust what this man says over whatever the hell Forum neckbeards spout.
Also, just a curiosity; you're constantly telling everybody Console sucks because have to chose between performance and IQ, now that this machine should combine both shouldn't you be satisfied with it?
Sure the price can't be the reason behind such heat, as an hardened PCMR guy, right?
twilo99
Gold Member
Are you blind??? Just read the last sentence on the picture.
"Overall, this enables up to 45% faster rendering for gameplay, making the experience much smoother."
Welcome PlayStation 5 Pro, the most visually impressive way to play games on PlayStation
Features including GPU upgrade, advanced ray tracing, and PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution take players to new heights.blog.playstation.com
nice avatar bro
R6Rider
Gold Member
Not sure about slim, but my OG fat came with a stand.
MostlyPeaceful
Banned
The PS5 was profitable over 3 years ago
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Sony’s $499 PS5 is no longer selling at a loss
The PS5 won’t be costly like the PS3.
www.theverge.com
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Just watch the damn video man:
He says "PS5 Pro is close to doubling the power of PS5".
Forgive me if I've learned I should just trust what this man says over whatever the hell Forum neckbeards spout.
Also, just a curiosity; you're constantly telling everybody Console sucks because have to chose between performance and IQ, now that this machine should combine both shouldn't you be satisfied with it?
Sure the price can't be the reason behind such heat, as an hardened PCMR guy, right?
"Overall, this enables up to 45% faster rendering for gameplay, making the experience much smoother."
Welcome PlayStation 5 Pro, the most visually impressive way to play games on PlayStation
Features including GPU upgrade, advanced ray tracing, and PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution take players to new heights.
blog.playstation.com
Except consoles suck because more than just performance and IQ plus it will only suck less for those aspects only for a select list of games.
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MatrixReloaded101
Member
Yea, overall they could have at least added more to the package.
Yup its all fake outrage, people are going to run out and buy this thing.
No one thought it was going to be cheap if it could really do 4k/60fps.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
The PS5 was profitable over 3 years ago
Sony’s $499 PS5 is no longer selling at a loss
The PS5 won’t be costly like the PS3.
Ita not anymore which is clear from their financial statements
Nankatsu
Gold Member
Yeah I would have liked it cheaper I have to agree. Its costing me £800 in the UK with the drive (already ordered) however its not going to stop me getting one. I want one and I have the money put aside for it so it will be my Christmas present (Wife complains as she says I am impossible to buy for as I just buy what I want, but hey I can't rely on others). Looking forward now to the 26th and given how.many are upset with the price I am hoping it going to be an easy process.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
lmao, dude what the fuck is this shit? Next you're going to tell me there's no controller? Fuck it, Sony. Take out the console too and just send me the box and cables and charge me another $300 for the console lmao.
MostlyPeaceful
Banned
If you really, legitimately believe that Sony isn’t making a profit on a console in 2024 that they were making a profit on THREE FULL YEARS AGO, even after making the components as cheap as possible with a “Slim” revision and multiple other internal revisions before that
I don’t know what to tell you bubba.
Edit: oh wait I just realized I’m talking to Ass of Can Whooping
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
I think you are within your right to complain. The cost is even higher than I expected and maybe the margin is closer to $150 on this, I was thinking they’d sell it for $599 and have a $50 margin or so
Unfortunately it’s a business and this is a luxury item and Sony isn’t subsidizing hardware anymore
Doesn’t make it right or wrong, I’ll still pay the price for it begrudgingly.
That said I don’t think it’s anywhere near the most egregious example of being greedy or gouging in the consumer tech space
mayham2199
Member
Wait I had the portal. How is it not portable?
twilo99
Gold Member
Yes, luckily most people don't care about the details, but in reality buying a machine running on Zen2 for $700 in 2025 is ... well, ridiculous.
Little Chicken
Member
Some people here chose to believe the Xbox Series consoles wouldn't ship with a control pad because it wasn't on some random list.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
You don't need to tell me anything. Unless you're suggesting they're lying in their own financial statements
I'm going to take that over your delusion that price only goes down
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I probably will too, but doing this makes us part of the problem. I'm not sure how much more I want to contribute to this.
Nah, that's from NVIDIA or Apple.
SCB3
Member
I think they mean it doesn’t do anything on its own; you need a PS5 with games installed to even use it, you cannot stream from cloud to it yet
Anyway, I know ill get a pro at some point but I may wait a bit longer, my launch consoles are still working fine and I only play at 1080p anyway right now, the only reason I even got a PS4 pro was my launch ps4 was overheating
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Just watch the damn video man:
He says "PS5 Pro is close to doubling the power of PS5".
Forgive me if I've learned I should just trust what this man says over whatever the hell Forum neckbeards spout.
Also, just a curiosity; you're constantly telling everybody Console sucks because have to chose between performance and IQ, now that this machine should combine both shouldn't you be satisfied with it?
Sure the price can't be the reason behind such heat, as an hardened PCMR guy, right?
Yep same fidelity at twice the frame rate is an effective doubling
That PSSR putting in work it seems
Doctor Hades
Member
I was always going to buy one, no matter the price as I can afford it and I love playing around with new tech, but it would have been easier to swallow that £699 price in the UK if the console had come with the stand and disc drive included. Sony could easily have included the stand at the very least. They are clearly out to get as much money as they can from their hardcore fan base in my opinion, just like Apple.
A £700 price point for the Pro pretty much guarantees that the Pro will have a very small user base, which in turn means that not all third-party developers may support it at all (unless Sony 'encourages' them with payment to do so), since it is yet another SKU for them. And with Sony only releasing a handful of exclusive games these days, due to much longer development cycles, we may not see that many enhanced games before the inevitable PS6 arrives (and how much will that cost, I wonder?). The machine's capabilities may be limited to mostly running older PS5 titles with better visuals and more stable framerates at higher dynamic resolutions. That's enough for me as someone who prefers quality over performance in PS5 games but the PS4 Pro was much cheaper and only had a 1 in 5 adoption rate with not all developers bothering to support it. PSSR sounds great as an AI upscaler, certainly better than the awful FSR2 which plagues many console games these days, but if it needs to be patched in by the developers, as is the way with Sony games, then that would be disappointing if it was ignored by most developers (like checkerboard rendering was on PS4 Pro even though this was a hardware feature of the machine).
PS5 Pro was always going to be a premium machine but I fear that Sony are pricing the console out of the market for those that want one but can't afford it. The price increase is much larger than the PS4 to PS4 Pro, which saw the base machine get a price cut.
A £700 price point for the Pro pretty much guarantees that the Pro will have a very small user base, which in turn means that not all third-party developers may support it at all (unless Sony 'encourages' them with payment to do so), since it is yet another SKU for them. And with Sony only releasing a handful of exclusive games these days, due to much longer development cycles, we may not see that many enhanced games before the inevitable PS6 arrives (and how much will that cost, I wonder?). The machine's capabilities may be limited to mostly running older PS5 titles with better visuals and more stable framerates at higher dynamic resolutions. That's enough for me as someone who prefers quality over performance in PS5 games but the PS4 Pro was much cheaper and only had a 1 in 5 adoption rate with not all developers bothering to support it. PSSR sounds great as an AI upscaler, certainly better than the awful FSR2 which plagues many console games these days, but if it needs to be patched in by the developers, as is the way with Sony games, then that would be disappointing if it was ignored by most developers (like checkerboard rendering was on PS4 Pro even though this was a hardware feature of the machine).
PS5 Pro was always going to be a premium machine but I fear that Sony are pricing the console out of the market for those that want one but can't afford it. The price increase is much larger than the PS4 to PS4 Pro, which saw the base machine get a price cut.
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Very likely the Pro doesn’t exist at all unless they price it like this, so it’s better to have the option to decline imho
MostlyPeaceful
Banned
Vick
Gold Member
"We achieved this on PS5 Pro with several key performance features.""Overall, this enables up to 45% faster rendering for gameplay, making the experience much smoother."
Welcome PlayStation 5 Pro, the most visually impressive way to play games on PlayStation
Features including GPU upgrade, advanced ray tracing, and PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution take players to new heights.
And you focus on what the GPU alone does. The article then says:
"You can hear Mark Cerny, lead architect for PS5 Pro, discuss the key innovations from PS5 Pro in the following video presentation. This presentation provides a deep dive into the key performance features that make PS5 Pro truly special."
And, in said video, Cerny says, referring to the machine as a whole, "PS5 Pro is close to doubling the power of PS5".
Would a 45% increase be enough to turn 30fps into 60fps?
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Do you understand the implications that a crashing yen has on a japanese manufacturer?
saintjules
Gold Member
Yup my thinking too. Now I can slap on the 980 Pro and have a whopping 4TB of storage. And that's before I get to my externals.
I will hoard my games as long as possible (even though I know I don't have to).
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Sony doesn’t need to encourage much
It’ll run better without much effort at all
So it will get widely supported by default
MostlyPeaceful
Banned
Post the article from a reputable source about Sony losing money on every PS5 console sold in 2024 and I’ll tuck my tail between my legs and scurry out of this thread.
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Quantum253
Gold Member
Pro: 799
Optical disc: 80
Stand: 30
909
Tax 100 bucks
1k for the Pro (as I would get it)
Add the drive and it might be 1,200-1,300 if you don't use the addtl from the PS5
Optical disc: 80
Stand: 30
909
Tax 100 bucks
1k for the Pro (as I would get it)
Add the drive and it might be 1,200-1,300 if you don't use the addtl from the PS5
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
If the GPU is the only bottleneck and the game had "spare" frames on the locked 30fps, like R&C, yes.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
That's a no then
sainraja
Member
Well, I don't think comparing PS5 Pro to XSX is a good comparison, since only one of them is a mid-gen upgrade; as for price, yeah it's not cheap. If someone wants a Pro, they will have to pay the asking price, otherwise we just have to stick with the base PS5. I will likely get the Pro, not sure if I will at launch.
PS5 Pro, 2TB, at 699$ on one hand, Series X, 2TB, at 599$ on the other. Series X comes with a disc drive, PS5 Pro doesn't.
PS5 Pro is currently marketed as a 4k, 60fps, RT machine, twice as powerful as a base PS5.
Reading the first pages of this Thread, as well as the results of the "Sony can screw itself" option in this poll, left me wondering.. can "high end console gaming" ever be a thing?
Or should every machine within the Console realm be imperatively as affordable as possible to the masses?
Should the option of playing current generation games at 60fps with high resolution and pristine IQ, along with higher settings, remain an unattainable dream for every kind of individual willing to purchase a console, if it traslates into $699?
GAF, please help me understand.
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MostlyPeaceful
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Wild take by a developer caring about raster instead of overall real world results
Cerny showed same fidelity with 100% more frames
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Go_Ly_Dow
Member
I'm keen to know considering the pricing of the PS5 Pro is causing a lot of controversy and was also a shock to many it looks like.
Even though we don't know how much of an edge PSSR and the bespoke RT technology will give the Pro what's the cost of something that would bring about similar performance on PC? (including a 2TB SSD).
PS5 Pro price:
$ 699.99
$ 950 CAD
£ 699.99
€ 799.99
¥ 119,980
Even though we don't know how much of an edge PSSR and the bespoke RT technology will give the Pro what's the cost of something that would bring about similar performance on PC? (including a 2TB SSD).
PS5 Pro price:
$ 699.99
$ 950 CAD
£ 699.99
€ 799.99
¥ 119,980
Venom Snake
Member
I understand that everyone would like to have a PS5 pro for 500 bucks (including me), but this is clearly no longer a strategy to attract, well, everyone.
Consoles are often talked about in the context of low initial costs and attractive price-performance ratios, but not everyone who buys them does so to save money. Sony knows this well and their "premium" model proves it. Most customers will stick with the basic version until the end of the current generation, many more will continue to buy it, so it's not a matter of urgency. It's simply an opportunity to milk those who are motivated by having something better than others, and at the same time a testing ground before entering the next generation in a few years.
Is that arrogant? Possibly. Is this consistent with modern market strategies? Absolutely.
Regardless of our way of valuing things, there will always be groups of people who turn a blind eye to such practices and will pay extra because they don't feel bad for having a lot of money to spend.
By the way, when ps5 has performance issues i often see comments like "you get what you pay for". All it took was an extra $300 for the sarcasm to disappear.
Consoles are often talked about in the context of low initial costs and attractive price-performance ratios, but not everyone who buys them does so to save money. Sony knows this well and their "premium" model proves it. Most customers will stick with the basic version until the end of the current generation, many more will continue to buy it, so it's not a matter of urgency. It's simply an opportunity to milk those who are motivated by having something better than others, and at the same time a testing ground before entering the next generation in a few years.
Is that arrogant? Possibly. Is this consistent with modern market strategies? Absolutely.
Regardless of our way of valuing things, there will always be groups of people who turn a blind eye to such practices and will pay extra because they don't feel bad for having a lot of money to spend.
By the way, when ps5 has performance issues i often see comments like "you get what you pay for". All it took was an extra $300 for the sarcasm to disappear.