Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Sony fanboys working overtime! EvenAss of Can Whooping has noped out of this one lol
I'm busy on a call with cerny to up the price.
I have no time to argue with the brokies on here
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PS5 Pro Pricing Discussion Thread
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I'm busy on a call with cerny to up the price.
I have no time to argue with the brokies on here
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Ok so it’s a cost, that’s settled
I said for the apu
There’s no evidence the price has decreased
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MostlyPeaceful
Banned
No matter how much the usual suspects try to justify and explain the price increase, it simply doesn’t add up
Inflation and the “AI boom” do not account for a 75% price increase for an equivalent product 4 years later - it just doesn’t.
Especially when you consider how underwhelming the specs are of the Pro.
PS5 Pro is literally the only thing more expensive now than it’s equivalent was 4 years ago - and fairly significantly so.
Inflation and the “AI boom” do not account for a 75% price increase for an equivalent product 4 years later - it just doesn’t.
Especially when you consider how underwhelming the specs are of the Pro.
But then you realize that smartphones, laptops and pretty much all tech is cheaper in 2024 than it was in 2020 accounting for inflation.
PS5 Pro is literally the only thing more expensive now than it’s equivalent was 4 years ago - and fairly significantly so.
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{insert code here}
Member
Sony fanboys working overtime! Even
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Sony fanboys working overtime! Even
He's busy coding new servers for Concord.
DryvBy
Member
My point is everything is overpriced and ridiculous in the tech sector.
SkylineRKR
Member
The PS5 costs 550 right now, how would the Pro ever going to be less than 650? Its about value proposition too. The main caveat here is the ridiculous EU price. I would've preordered it for 699 probably. 799 is just too much.
I think it will sell. And I think next-gen will cost the same. And that will also sell. PS5 sells well at 550 bucks right now, 4 years into the market.
I don't defend it, I wait and see. But I think consoles will no longer launch at a loss anymore, and won't ever have a price below 550 again. The PS3 was an anomaly that was more expensive than the PS4 and X1 systems were at launch. But since we've gone to 499/549 and people happily hand it over, despite the systems being relatively old by now. Next gen will go a step further for sure.
I think it will sell. And I think next-gen will cost the same. And that will also sell. PS5 sells well at 550 bucks right now, 4 years into the market.
I don't defend it, I wait and see. But I think consoles will no longer launch at a loss anymore, and won't ever have a price below 550 again. The PS3 was an anomaly that was more expensive than the PS4 and X1 systems were at launch. But since we've gone to 499/549 and people happily hand it over, despite the systems being relatively old by now. Next gen will go a step further for sure.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
The 67% larger GPU is a cost, duh, but we already mentioned that.
What do you think an APU is? It's a CPU and GPU on a single die. They can be (and are) manufactured separately.
Except that every component has. If the components have decreased in price, surely, the combined product cannot retain the same price, can it?
MostlyPeaceful
Banned
Like what?
Just to use Apple, all of their 2024 tech is the same price now as the 2020 tech was 4 years ago
Which, adjusting for inflation means they’re selling everything cheaper now than they did 4 years ago.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
One more word about concord and I'm indefinitely delaying another Xbox port you bitch
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
It’s not an equivalent product, it’s a better one
Undoubtedly part of the price is a higher margin, in 2020 they were eating a loss
Does the cost of designing RT grow on trees?
Graphics chips are not components that have gone down in price
Natsuko
Member
A few years ago it might have been. These days? With inflation? When we can read in the media that people are sometimes considering whether they would rather heat their homes or buy food? Probably not. Pro consoles have never been for people who don't have much money anyway. The target group for such devices has always been limited. But I've seen so many people worrying over the last few months who otherwise never had worries about money. Maybe the launch devices will sell because some core fans who can still afford it these days really want the Pro. But demand is likely to collapse shortly after launch at the latest.
Sw0pDiller
Member
I live in europe and ps5 disk version is 550 euro and diskless is 450
Euro. 800 euro is a fuckton lot more money. Is the price relatieve to the tech? I feel yes. It is worth it? I dont know, i need more videos. But i like to own this kinda stuff so prob gonna sell my fat DE edition and buy a pro down the line. I dont need a diskdrive.
MISTER INVEIGLER
Member
I mean just use your eyes and look at that still shot. Do you see a big upgrade?It sucks! Bad.
And not just when it comes to gaming, on high end collectibles for instance we literally have to pay almost twice as much as what a US customer spends. And it actually looks like it's getting even worse each passing day somehow.
You're probably top 5 most hardcore fanboys on this entire site.. have some self respect for once.
Just going by what Cerny said:
But I assume Cerny's wrong?
DryvBy
Member
They just sold a $3000 headset that was worse than the Meta 3 lol. Try again.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
When you compare it to the 2TB Series X with a disc drive at $600, $700 or $780 with the disc drive sounds like a steal. ha!
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Dream on.
They are selling this at a profit, so no matter if it takes twice as long to shift their initial production run, they won't be losing money,
At the end of the day its significantly more expensive than expected, but by overall tech standards is still in the mid price-point range.
The reality is that in Europe a 4070 super and PS5 controller is liklely going to set you back more! A 4090 being near enough triple the price!
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
How much you make a year? Will you spend your monthly salary on a Playstation?
MostlyPeaceful
Banned
You keep on using this flawed fallacy
PS4 is Sony’s best console in 2013 and costs $399.99
PS4 Pro is Sony’s best console in 2016 and costs $399.99
iPhone 12 Pro is Apple’s best phone in 2020 and costs $999.99
iPhone 16 Pro is Apple’s best phone in 2024 and costs $999.99
PS5 is Sony’s best console in 2020 and costs $399.99
PS5 Pro is Sony’s best console in 2024 and costs $699.99
This whole “it’s a better console” argument you keep making is moronic at best and ignores everything about tech advancement in general. By your logic, the PS4 Pro should have cost $599.99 because it was a way better console than the PS4.
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Europe gets to pay 1999 for 4090s - someone must be paying these prices.
But yea - it sucks.
Wait for Switch 2 to get introduced at 499$ next.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Vick
Gold Member
Multiple Threads merged.
I don't envy Mods at all at the moment. lol
Oh right, what an incompetent/sneaky little fella that Cerny guy..
Well, if you are indeed right you'll be for sure rewarded, by having actual games to use the Pro with instead of those few PS4 native one and a literal couple of current gen only games like Wukong and Silent Hill 2 I'll be playing at release.
Indeed. Let's not do this man.
It's a way for sony fanboys to feel like they still win I think.
Sony fanboys are just mad they 'lost' an exclusive to have in list wars.
Yet the Sony bros were jizzing all over it on release. I think they'd be happy with cross gen PS4 based games forever! They seem to herald them as the second coming of christ every time yo. Crazy times we live in
And I realized I was in Page 2 of 8 of the first section, with other 8 pages and then other 8 more, then 8 more, once again 8 more, then I simply stopped going forward.
You're free to be whatever you want and mock whoever you want, just take a good goddamn look in the mirror from time to time.
But it was never going to be, just as I don't see a "big upgrade" when going from 1.5K graphic card to the next one.
When I look at that picture I see a proper Graphics Mode at 30fps vs 60fps on a Console. That's a Console I want.
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MostlyPeaceful
Banned
That would perfectly account for inflation when you consider the $350 price tag of the switch in 2017 though. That’s the difference.
The PS5 Pro goes way beyond what inflation suggests it should. Way beyond.
$350 in 2017 is $450 in 2024, so Switch 2 at $450 to $500 makes a ton of sense.
PS5 Pro at $700 doesn’t
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
It's on the GPU. Are you also going to separate a game's graphics technology from its overall budget? Ridiculous.
Every RDNA2 GPU that is still being manufactured is cheaper now than they were in 2020. So are Zen 3 CPUs, which is what the PS5 is.
https://www.techpowerup.com/299148/amd-cuts-msrps-of-radeon-rx-6000-series-graphics-cards
Now I realize you're stonewalling and wasting my time. Every single component cost less now than 4 years ago (which is logical), yet you're arguing the total wouldn't necessarily decrease. Incredible logic my man.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Yes and Sony pays for the GPU…
Is it lower cost because it’s no longer being mass produced and is on clearance effectively?
Lagspike_exe
Member
You can just buy the OG PS5 for the same price it was since launch?
ViciousAgenda
Member
800 euros ain't shit to chad warden.
Pasta la Vista
Member
Nobody is even bringing that into the discussion except people defending the PS5 Pro. Xbox plays no part in the decision to purchase this, they are already done. There is no actual competition here.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
You just showed that prices are more industry based
The highest iPhone starts at $1200, btw.
How much was the iPhone in 2013?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Which I mentioned about 10 times with the larger GPU part? You tried to add RT as an additional cost to the GPU...but it's part of it. This was my point.
The article I linked is from 2022, months before RDNA3 arrived. They were still being mass-produced.
proandrad
Member
Man… you are ignoring a lot of apple numbers to make your argument.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
The only reason to sell at break-even or loss is because your entire ecosystem is based on a volume sales model, and you need commodity numbers as fast as possible.
A "pro" console is for obvious reasons always going to be a minority of volume sales, hence selling it at a profit is the obvious choice because its purpose is to complement a commodity offer, not be the totality of it.
This is just how the market works! It looks more extreme than it actually is because of what's happened economically post-Covid.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Do you think a $100 margin on a console greedy?
MostlyPeaceful
Banned
Pretty much the same price as it was 4 years later
iPhone 5s in 2013 was $649
iPhone 8 in 2017 was $700
Any more questions
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
IPhones have massive margins. Expecting the same pricing strategies as consoles is stupid
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
It's the latest console to release. Seems like the best comparison when considering market factors like inflation.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
MostlyPeaceful
Banned
Then why was the PS4 Pro $399 then if they didn’t care to “take a loss” on it.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Are you blind??? Just read the last sentence on the picture.
"Overall, this enables up to 45% faster rendering for gameplay, making the experience much smoother."
Welcome PlayStation 5 Pro, the most visually impressive way to play games on PlayStation
Features including GPU upgrade, advanced ray tracing, and PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution take players to new heights.
blog.playstation.com
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MostlyPeaceful
Banned
Wrong. Hyper premium iPhones that were introduced in 2017 should not be used to compare to regular iPhones.
2013 iPhone 5s - $649
2024 iPhone 16 - $799
Adjusted for inflation, the 2024 iPhone is cheaper.
Got anything else?
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
$100 too much. Should had been $600 digital. $650-700 with drive.
PS5 digital is $450 and drive is $500. $50 more.
So comparatively speaking, Pro digital is $700 and digital + drive is $780. $80 more.
PS5 digital is $450 and drive is $500. $50 more.
So comparatively speaking, Pro digital is $700 and digital + drive is $780. $80 more.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
The old versions were the hyper premium phones. Why are you comparing phones to consoles anyways?
MostlyPeaceful
Banned
No they weren’t. They were just as “premium” as the regular iPhones are now.
Hyper premium models didn’t exist then, Apple introduced the first one in 2017 and it was a big deal.
Why do you keep making disingenuous arguments that you know are disingenuous?
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Doczu
Member
Not exactly. PS4 Pro and One X launched with base system launch prices, right? Well can't say for sure for Xbox as i didn't own one and too lazy to check.
This time they are seriously limiting their audience.
4 Pro had 15% marketshare at 400$, what percentage will the 5 Pro have at over 900 EUR?
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