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PSP Go? 249.99!!!!

Steve Youngblood said:
I'm just a grizzled cynic who thinks this is a misguided effort to save a platform that has already failed. If there's a way to turn it around, I don't think this is it. Therefore, I just look at this and think "well, there's some wasted R & D right there."
I don't think success is guaranteed by any means. Turning around the fortunes of the PSP is still going to take major effort beyond just a new iteration of the hardware. My post wasn't intended to suggest that the PSP Go is all there is to it.

That said, I'm not nearly as cynical as you as to think the PSP Go won't at least justify its R&D effort/cost, primarily because I don't really think that's a particularly high bar to clear.
 
Evander said:
I use my Zune constantly, though. ;)



The point is, the PSP doesn't have the UI that it would need to seriously compete with the iPod as a music player.

say who? as I said, Ipod doesnt have any more features when playing music than PSP. Its playing playlists, thats what everyone does anyway.

Now original PSP didnt have much when it comes to that, but it has been improved. I have an feeling that you didnt check PSP in long time, and you already said you didnt check Ipod in long time, so you are arguing about things that you dont know much about :D
 
Evander said:
That may be good for Sony, but it's bad for consumers.

if it was for consumers, maybe sony should've dropped psp support. However, you will still be able to buy a psp 3000 and a MS : you have the choice, good for consumers.....
 
tzare said:
if it was for consumers, maybe sony should've dropped psp support. However, you will still be able to buy a psp 3000 and a MS : you have the choice, good for consumers.....

exactly, everyone complains about choice.

they give it to you here.
 
tzare said:
if it was for consumers, maybe sony should've dropped psp support. However, you will still be able to buy a psp 3000 and a MS : you have the choice, good for consumers.....
I don't think that was his point at all. I believe it was in regards to PSN Store being your only source for content, which may or may not actually be the case.

Edit: Never mind. I see your point.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
Stateside, there's been nothing noteworthy in terms of software in quite some time. Furthermore, at most retail outlets, the system does look very much like it's about to lose its shelf space entirely any day now.

But I'm guess I'm just aloof. The system is rocking! The Go isn't an attempt to revitalize a dying brand, it's a DS Lite/DSi type move to make even MORE MONEY!

I can be sarcastic too.

there is nothing coming out for PSP, they better close up the shop! :lol
 
Steve Youngblood said:
If someone wants to educate my sorry ass on how they're kicking ass and taking names in the land of the rising sun, then have at it. In my very passive following of Sales-Age happenings, I was under the impression that it was mainly Monster Hunter that was selling over there. Which is fine, I guess, but I don't know if that's really in and of itself enough to proclaim that your platform is viable.

PSP is the top or second highest selling system on a weekly basis in Japan and PSP games do quite well. But no, platform isn't viable.

Stateside, there's been nothing noteworthy in terms of software in quite some time. Furthermore, at most retail outlets, the system does look very much like it's about to lose its shelf space entirely any day now.

Which retail outlets would those be? As for noteworthy software on portables, if it isn't published by Nintendo, it's not "noteworthy". :lol There's never any numbers for PSP software in the West though. Plus, western devs are behind the curve on portables. Should software sales in the west be better? Definitely. Across the board.

But I'm guess I'm just aloof. The system is rocking! The Go isn't an attempt to revitalize a dying brand, it's a DS Lite/DSi type move to make even MORE MONEY!

I can be sarcastic too.

Yes, it's quite the DS/DSi type of move to make more money.

My personal opinion is actually pretty extreme. Pull PSP support for the West entirely and just concentrate in the East. That's just me though. Western developers/publishers don't give a shit so the system is almost fully supported by the East anyway. Come back to the West when the PSP 2 is ready.
 
No more Evander? Dude is like thread cancer. Hope its a perma.

Pearl White one really is ridiculously better looking. Am also intrigued by what the PSP Go's Sleep/In-Game XMB is going to offer. I can't imagine very much? PSP Trophies would be something of a minor megaton, but probably too late in the game to see that unless all the huge games coming supported them.

UK price is disgusting though. Hope to see that change, as its ridiculous.
 
spwolf said:
there is nothing coming out for PSP, they better close up the shop! :lol
Yes, lolamirte.

Point the first: Yes, I'm aware that there ARE some new and exciting titles coming out. However, isn't it true that a lot of this is because of the push that Sony is making to revitalize the brand?

Point the second: Ignoring point 1, I seriously don't understand why I'm having to defend my argument, which isn't all that out of this world. My argument is that -- for some time -- Sony has been fighting that while the hardware sells, software has struggled (with some exceptions). THIS IS A PROBLEM. It's a problem they're trying to tackle RIGHT NOW. As evidence of this problem, taking a trip to your local retailer should be an eye-opening experience. If you look at the PSP section from six months ago, and look at it now, I don't know how you can walk away and think "PSP sure is doing great, don't you think?"

I assumed that what I'm saying was pretty widely accepted as matter of fact truth, but apparently stating anything but "the PSP is an unparalleled success!" is sacrilegious.

Should I throw in an inappropriate smiley here?
 
Kintaro said:
PSP is the top or second highest selling system on a weekly basis in Japan and PSP games do quite well. But no, platform isn't viable.
Which games? HOW well are they doing. Again, stating that the SYSTEM sells is irrelevant, as I've never argued that the system itself doesn't sell.

Which retail outlets would those be? As for noteworthy software on portables, if it isn't published by Nintendo, it's not "noteworthy". :lol
Noteworthy as in any hyped up titles coming out for it. And any retail outlet. Target, Best Buy, Wal-Mart. Even several of the Gamestops I've gone to don't really dedicate a lot of shelf space to the system.
 
gluv65 said:
didn't read the entire thread, just have a question about the battery life. Has sony stated how long the battery life is in the PSPgo? is it comparable to the old PSP's?

I actually just randomly was reading an article on engadget and it finally answered this question.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/05/video-white-psp-go-hands-on/

Engadget said:
Koller told us battery life would be about five to six hours, on par with the 3000 model, and if that doesn't jibe with your needs, he said the company's looking into a battery boost peripheral similar to the add-ons we saw when the iPod first launched.
 
Anyone have a link to the pre-ordering page ? I want the white one but I can't find it on amazon. Only the black one is available....?
 
Steve Youngblood said:
Yes, lolamirte.

Point the first: Yes, I'm aware that there ARE some new and exciting titles coming out. However, isn't it true that a lot of this is because of the push that Sony is making to revitalize the brand?

so you are saying is that Sony is trying to pump up PSP? So?
You want an medal for that? Every company with every product is trying to make more money.

what you are trying to do is put down PSP Go! because PSP has been an "failure". Nobody cares, you have PSP Go!, you have tons of software, you have not-cracked PSP 3000 and PSP Go!, thats what this thread about.

If you want to talk about software sales, there are plenty of sales age threads - PSP had 75 titles in Famitsu 2008 top 500 as well as No#1 game of 2008 in Japan.

What do you think thats going to happen with new hardware + new GT5, MGS, RE games + MH? Its going to sell less than now or something? :lol
 
Gamecocks625 said:
Yeah, I just saw that and was about to post it. Does the PSP have different brightness settings?

Yes it does. Its the button on top of the PSP Go and the bottom front of the 3000 that looks like an rounded rectangle.
 
spwolf said:
If you want to talk about software sales, there are plenty of sales age threads - PSP had 75 titles in Famitsu 2008 top 500 as well as No#1 game of 2008 in Japan.

What do you think thats going to happen with new hardware + new GT5, MGS, RE games + MH? Its going to sell less than now or something? :lol
Okay, let's ignore Japan's sales. Not because it's convenient for me, but just because admittedly I'm not up to date on it.

Now, in the west, it IS true that the platform isn't doing very well from a SOFTWARE vantage point. Big titles haven't been hitting the system. If I told you that I hadn't turned on my system in a year, what would you be instructing me to play? Patapon 2 and Resistance, I bet. Is there anything else?

But good games ARE thankfully in the pipeline. That's awesome news, really. Would these titles be coming if they weren't pushing Go to reinvent the brand? I doubt it, but that's speculation on my part.

More to the point, in the west, my question is simply do you think people are going to buy Go and pay to download these games given that they weren't really buying the UMDs in droves to begin with? Was the bulkiness of the system really what was holding it back? I'm skeptical, but I hope to be proven wrong.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
Okay, let's ignore Japan's sales. Not because it's convenient for me, but just because admittedly I'm not up to date on it.

Now, in the west, it IS true that the platform isn't doing very well from a SOFTWARE vantage point. Big titles haven't been hitting the system. If I told you that I hadn't turned on my system in a year, what would you be instructing me to play? Patapon 2 and Resistance, I bet. Is there anything else?

But good games ARE thankfully in the pipeline. That's awesome news, really. Would these titles be coming if they weren't pushing Go to reinvent the brand? I doubt it, but that's speculation on my part.

More to the point, in the west, my question is simply do you think people are going to buy Go and pay to download these games given that they weren't really buying the UMDs in droves to begin with? Was the bulkiness of the system really what was holding it back? I'm skeptical, but I hope to be proven wrong.

So your point is that there wasnt many games? So now they announce shit load of games...

Thats good?

Now your point is that UMD's were not selling - PSP was selling, PSP was easily hackable, and hence games were not selling.

Now you have PSP 3000 and PSP Go which are not hackable.

Thats good?

So we are all good now?
 
Steve Youngblood said:
More to the point, in the west, my question is simply do you think people are going to buy Go and pay to download these games given that they weren't really buying the UMDs in droves to begin with? Was the bulkiness of the system really what was holding it back? I'm skeptical, but I hope to be proven wrong.

It'll actually be simple for these people. They've been downloading PSP games before. Now they're just downloading it again.

Nothing new for them =)
 
Steve Youngblood said:
Noteworthy as in any hyped up titles coming out for it. And any retail outlet. Target, Best Buy, Wal-Mart. Even several of the Gamestops I've gone to don't really dedicate a lot of shelf space to the system.

Isn't that a YMMV type of thing? I work at a Gamestop parttime (free game rentals!) and our PSP and DS section are the same size and overflowing. The PSP section at our Wal Mart is the same size as the Wii/DS section (one section/block each).

So, I dunno. I live in a smaller town though.

Did I claim PSP was doing OMGWTF sales? No. The software? Not really in the US, doing well in Japan. As a whole though, the brand is doing fine I would say. Of course Sony is always trying to revitalize it. It's going against the DS. Just because the DS is a juggernaut that doesn't take away from the success of the PSP. <shrugs>
 
Here's the thing: What do you think Sony would really do differently with PSP2, assuming they just end the PSP product line with the 3000 model and bring out the PSP in another year or so? And pay attention that I asked what you think *Sony* would do, not what *you* think they *should* do.

Because, I don't personally see PSP2 looking much different from the PSP Go. PSP processing power is still at the high end of what's available in the portable space right now and they only fairly recently allowed developers to start dev'ing around the full CPU speed anyway. Sony's probably fairly risk averse right now with the Playstation line, so I can't see them putting significant R&D investment into a "standard" generational leap beyond what the PSP offers now, not for at least a few more years. What other significant advancements/changes would a PSP2 include that the PSP Go doesn't? 3G/4G wireless? There again, I don't think Sony has the will, now or in the next couple of years.

For all intents and purposes, the PSP Go is the PSP2 for Sony, I think.
 
Not sure what the general vibe is but I am close to pre ordering one of these. I have had 2 PSP's inthe past.. buy them and then sell them shortly after but if GT really hits this year it may push me over the edge. This is the game I bought my launch PSP for that never came. Also AC2 and others on the way are very tempting.
 
Hootie said:
TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY NINE US DOLLARS

IT FEELS SO EPIC AND HARDCORE WHEN THEY RAISE THE PRICE

The PSP Reboot A-Go-Go! Project is a waste of money and time thanks to this. Learn something from your mistakes, Sony. LOWER prices, don't RAISE them! Jesus. The economy is fucked and they drop another price bomb.
 
xs_mini_neo said:
IT FEELS SO EPIC AND HARDCORE WHEN THEY RAISE THE PRICE

The PSP Reboot A-Go-Go! Project is a waste of money and time thanks to this. Learn something from your mistakes, Sony. LOWER prices, don't RAISE them! Jesus. The economy is fucked and they drop another price bomb.

They are not raising anything.
You can get a 3000 or 2000 still with no issues.
The PSPGo is not something you are forced to get.
Plenty of people will though.
 
kaching said:
Here's the thing: What do you think Sony would really do differently with PSP2, assuming they just end the PSP product line with the 3000 model and bring out the PSP in another year or so? And pay attention that I asked what you think *Sony* would do, not what *you* think they *should* do.
Assuming a proper PSP2 were to be released, I would have assumed the following:
1. Unified media: you're sticking with UMD or you're not. I think having some consoles being disc readers while others are digital only might be somewhat confusing.

2. Some sort of touch screen capability. It just seems to be expected in this day when it comes to just about every portable device.

3. To appease the hardcore who want ports of console games on their portables, a 2nd analog stick.
 
Machado said:
stop fighting about it, they will not discontinue the 3000


if you want an excellent psp get the 3000

if you want a OMG THIS IS HEAVEN psp get the go


who cares how much they priced it??? you have the option to NOT buy it

I wonder if half the people arguing about this have this weird mindset that everything in their life has to make complete 1:1 sense, and their view of the market makes them somehow think that the PSP go is destined to fail, why does it exist, it shouldn't exist, everyone else has to agree with me, etc. etc.
 
ShinoguTakeruKoeru said:
I wonder if half the people arguing about this have this weird mindset that everything in their life has to make complete 1:1 sense, and their view of the market makes them somehow think that the PSP go is destined to fail, why does it exist, it shouldn't exist, everyone else has to agree with me, etc. etc.

welcome to the internet.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
Which games? HOW well are they doing. Again, stating that the SYSTEM sells is irrelevant, as I've never argued that the system itself doesn't sell.
Just for future discussion, ignoring Monster Hunter PSP has had 9 games sell more than 250k since the introduction of the Slim. By comparison, ignoring Pokemon the DS has had 23 in the same period (with a higher ceiling). PSP isn't smashing records, but it's doing much better with software than it had been.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
Assuming a proper PSP2 were to be released, I would have assumed the following:
1. Unified media: you're sticking with UMD or you're not. I think having some consoles being disc readers while others are digital only might be somewhat confusing.
Semantics. PSP2 would still have to address issue of backward compatibility, Sony would still be in the business of supporting old and new format media and systems, transitioning owners would still complain about whatever inconvenience is involved and new customers would still potentially experience confusion over what 'PSP' games actually work with their particular device.

2. Some sort of touch screen capability. It just seems to be expected in this day when it comes to just about every portable device.

3. To appease the hardcore who want ports of console games on their portables, a 2nd analog stick.
Touchscreen is not something you have to wait for a 'proper' PSP2 to incorporate. It can play a useful role even if just confined to OS duties (XMB navigation, media playback and browser control) to avoid issues with game compatibility. I don't think Sony really sees this as a prerogative.

I'll grant you a second analog stick, but that's not going to motivate a generational shift from Sony's perspective, by itself.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
3. To appease the hardcore who want ports of console games on their portables, a 2nd analog stick.

I am hardcore. I don't want ports of console games on my portables.

Before I'd ask for a 2nd analog stick, I'd ask them to make the first one worth using. The games that make me use the nub all the time are games I'm almost guaranteed to not finish.
 
I would of thought without the UMD drive battery length would be better than 5-6 hours, especially seen as they are trying to make super portable so you want one in your pocket.
 
Now that the thread is less shitty, I would like to :lol at the idea that somehow people would spend 250 bucks on a gaming system but not know that the game is DD only, and everyone would be rushing to take the system back. I know only one person said that, but still...

:lol :lol
 
Outcast2004 said:
In theory, the PSP GO should be CHEAPER than the OG PSP... not 50% more expensive!
That's my problem with it.

That would be true if it was a PSP 3000 without a UMD drive. When you change other aspects of it, all bets are off.

Miniaturization can cost more, especially when pushing the boundaries ... this has more memory ... the build quality is better (far more metal) ... the screen is different, and apparently better ... etc.

I agree that they are likely setting themselves for a higher margin here (possibly passing some to retailers) ... but it may not be as much as you think.
 
Evander said:
but attempting to move your line in a DD ONLY direction, when the majority of the market still prefers physical media, is a mistake.

I know you're banned and all ... but I'm quite sure you're still reading this thread.


Jesus Christ, use some common sense. This is why the PSPgo is an alternative to the 3000. Sony isn't banking on DD only for all potential PSP clients. How is this not obvious? Obviously this is to test the distribution model.
 
kaching said:
5 years ago, the PSP wasn't new tech either. It was existing tech that had been shrunk sufficiently to be reasonably portable. That has always been part of the value proposition of portable electronics - they provide us previous tech that was either only possible as a set-top device or at least much bulkier, now in a more conveniently portable, more easily carryable form.

Existing models of the PSP are not the be all, end all of portability because of their physical bulk and because of the baggage of physical media. There's a new class of portable devices that are truly pocketable, completely eschew content delivery on a physical medium and have robust processing power. This is proving a popular combination of factors for a lot of people interested in portable devices.

Some of you trying to base your arguments in the logic that the PSP Go does not have a "good reason" for existing don't really understand the portable space or its roadmap and, more to the point, are simply making a cognitively dissonant argument about what is nothing but a luxury purchase. There was no "good reason" that justified the purchase of a PSP in the first place, as with any other luxury purchase. What justified the purchase was a subjective set of preferences, nothing more, and the current market for portable entertainment electronics have demonstrated that they can happily justify greater pocketability and pure digital delivery to themselves.

The PSP Go allows the PSP product line to compete in this space, while still leaving the option for anachronistic customers to buy an older model based on earlier benchmarks of the portable space.

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DMeisterJ said:
Now that the thread is less shitty, I would like to :lol at the idea that somehow people would spend 250 bucks on a gaming system but not know that the game is DD only, and everyone would be rushing to take the system back. I know only one person said that, but still...

:lol :lol

I've seen people buy the FFXI bundle that was $40 thinking it was a PS2 (I'm not kidding on that).

Knowing some of the people who purchase game consoles, it really wouldn't surprise me if that did happen.

Especially at Wal-Mart (where the PS2 FFXI thing happened).

People are morons (and, imo, this isn't just regulated to game consoles, its every facet of life, I'm 27 and I'm already bitter, that's sad), they don't read what they're buying, they assume.
 
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