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[Chuck Norris]

Why would you want the former? The latter would be a far superior product. If any indication from what has been announced everything will be a port. Hope locoroco, patapon, crush, and resistance retribution. Never owned a psp since it was a shitty product (short battery life bad controls, long load times) at least for me

I want the former to put some consistency in the products. Frankly, if you buy the game once you should get a copy of it on all systems when there is a network in place. Right now we have UMD PSP games, digital PSP games, soon we'll be having digital-PSP -> PS3 ports and disc based PSP -> PS3 ports. And is that going to extend to digital-PSP -> NGP ports and physical-PSP -> NGP ports as well?

It's just a bit much. One SKU that you can download on all systems, even with differences, is how it should be.

 

[TheOddOne]

I doubt its only PS3, it would be stupid not to release them on the NGP.

 

[gofreak]

But I think this is bad overall for Sony, it just kills a major NGP selling point *and* makes users expect a similar treatment to NGP games.

I think that the PSP is coming to the end of its life is kind of what's letting this happen.

It's also easier with PSP games than it potentially would be with NGP games, given PSP controls are entirely a subset of Dualshock ones. Not so much the case with NGP, although given we're talking about ports, control changes are always possible I suppose.

But where platform harmonisation is possible, I think it should happen. The user should, in a ideal world, have the choice to play content wherever they want, where a machine can allow that. Now, this isn't quite the harmonisation I wanted (i.e. I would like all PSP games to be playable on PS3 via emu), but for the set of games that'll make it over, it's nice. But if we imagined a world where all games were playable either at home or on the go, the portable still has a role to play - fundamentally the portable's key selling point is, well, its portability. Like I say, though, Sony is further setting apart their portable and home systems with NGP vs PSP, to a certain degree, but I think for some games this initiative hints at a perhaps another formal one for multiplat NGP/PS3 (which would happen regardless), where save data could be shared for example. For games 'built for NGP', a transition to a PS3 port might be trickier than is the case for games built for PSP though, depending on how the system's used.

 

[Wazzim]

Some of you guys act like every little nice RPG will get a port. It will only be the big 3D Games that will get a port, not some handheld port of Legend of Heroes.
That said, I'm very happy to be able to play MH3rd on the ps3 with full PSP save support and ad-hoc party. It will keep the fun of taking your MH experience on the go and the option to play it in 1080P at home.

 

[Insayne]

Was there any word on Monster Hunter Portable 3rd coming to PS3 in EU/US from this announcement or w/e ?
Thanks

 

[Jigsaw]

I doubt its only PS3, it would be stupid not to release them on the NGP.

ps3 and ngp versions will most likely be running on the same emulator,it would be pretty neat if they put a ps3,ngp and psp version on the same blu ray and you can simply install them on your portable of choice (with an one use code of course to avoid trade ins)

 

[54-46!]

So Ad-hock party, will it be built in to the games or will we have to launch an external app on top of the game? that's what it sounds like.

I really hope they rework some of the models, textures and shaders in MHP3..

 

[BocoDragon]

I want the former to put some consistency in the products. Frankly, if you buy the game once you should get a copy of it on all systems when there is a network in place. Right now we have UMD PSP games, digital PSP games, soon we'll be having digital-PSP -> PS3 ports and disc based PSP -> PS3 ports. And is that going to extend to digital-PSP -> NGP ports and physical-PSP -> NGP ports as well?

It's just a bit much. One SKU that you can download on all systems, even with differences, is how it should be.

Normally I'd say "it's nice to want things".

But what you suggest is exactly how its done on Steam, and its glorious.

 

[Callibretto]

I doubt its only PS3, it would be stupid not to release them on the NGP.

depends on how expensive it'll cost to port them. we still haven't got FF, KH, MGS HD collection for ps3. which is why I hope it's done through emulation instead of port.

 

[TheOddOne]

Some of you guys act like every little nice RPG will get a port. It will only be the big 3D Games that will get a port, not some handheld port of Legend of Heroes.
That said, I'm very happy to be able to play MH3rd on the ps3 with full PSP save support and ad-hoc party. It will keep the fun of taking your MH experience on the go and the option to play it in 1080P at home.

There is a possibility that Japan will get the better selling JRPGs there, but I doubt a big batch of them will come to Europe or the US. Hey, atleast there is the possiblilty to import them.

 

[Luigiv]

But unless the Blu-Ray version comes with a download PSN code, people will need a THIRD copy to play on the NGP! I really think they should be encouraging people towards downloads so that NGP backwards compatibility becomes a greater selling point.

That's only if you were stupid enough to buy you PSP version on UMD (plus why would you need 2 portable versions?*).

*Or, from my own personal perspective, "Why would you need 2 versions?".

 

[yamo]

I'd kill for the patapon series on a big screen.

 

[Wazzim]

I doubt its only PS3, it would be stupid not to release them on the NGP.

NGP does this with all games already (scaling and possibly AA), it doesn't need the ports.

 

[IsntChrisL]

Finally some news that hints strongly at a Peace Walker port. I am satisfied!

 

[lowrider007]

LTTP but please God WipEout Pure/Pulse, PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!

 

[Callibretto]

NGP does this with all games already (scaling and possibly AA), it doesn't need the ports.

do we know if NGP scaling is natively rendered at higher resolution, or just blurry upscaling they use for PS2 BC on old PS3? because they're not the same.

 

[arnoldocastillo2003]

Some of you guys act like every little nice RPG will get a port. It will only be the big 3D Games that will get a port, not some handheld port of Legend of Heroes.
That said, I'm very happy to be able to play MH3rd on the ps3 with full PSP save support and ad-hoc party. It will keep the fun of taking your MH experience on the go and the option to play it in 1080P at home.

I have the right to dream or don´t I?

 

[StealthGoblin]

This is pure sex. Omg.

There are TONS of excellent games on PSP I'd love to see get this treatment.

 

[tetrisgrammaton]

Sony's getting desperate.

 

[Graphics Horse]

That's only if you were stupid enough to buy you PSP version on UMD (plus why would you need 2 portable versions?*).

*Or, from my own personal perspective, "Why would you need 2 versions?".

Well looking at Japanese software sales, there's a lot of stupid people out there, or a lot of people not thinking about switching to NGP.
Then again the smart people would buy used UMDs at a fraction of the price of downloads, but that's not really in Sony's interests.

NGP does this with all games already (scaling and possibly AA), it doesn't need the ports.

This is unconfirmed, and the only game that it was hinted at was, um, one of the games in the PSP Remaster series. And even though the NGP conference video wasn't the best quality, I could have sword MH3rd was still shown running at 480x272.

 

[TheOddOne]

NGP does this with all games already (scaling and possibly AA), it doesn't need the ports.

Well we don't know how good the internal emulation is now, but you might have a point. I still stand by my point that the Remaster Series is locked for PS3 and NGP.

 

[Jigsaw]

btw konami,your chance to sell your 3 million copies of peace walker,just re-call it metal gear solid 5 and let kojima announce it on sony's e3 conference

sony will be happy
mgs fans will be happy
konami shareholders will be happy
the world will be a better place

 

[Bad_Boy]

Sony's getting desperate.

or... getting smarter.

 

[soultron]

PEACE WALKER
RIDGE RACER

PORT BEGGING TIME!!!

I am E.

 

[SpaceDrake]

There is a possibility that Japan will get the better selling JRPGs there, but I doubt a big batch of them will come to Europe or the US. Hey, atleast there is the possiblilty to import them.

More specifically, the reasons a few of us bring up the Trails in the Sky games is because the assets for those games are specifically scaled down from the PC versions for the PSP; it would be fairly trivial to simply take the original assets and create a PS3 version (outside of the need to code a PS3 version of the Naphistim Engine which drives all the Trails games). There's a question of whether that'd be "high def" enough for Sony's standards, but OTOH Trails is one of the strongest, most consistent performers on the PSP (every single one having pulled out six figures, including Zero) and it'd make sense for both Sony and Falcom to capitalize on that popularity and spread the appeal around a bit, while also getting the games onto a platform that isn't a drowned corpse overseas.

I expect to see a lot of the more popular RPGs get this treatment; the "play on the bus and bring the saves home" concept works absolutely perfectly here.

 

[tetrisgrammaton]

or... getting smarter.

Yeah it's real smart to make this has-been cutting-edge system that now plays psp games!

 

[quetz67]

I definetitely love this...want NGP versions of all PS3 and PS4 games to continue them on the go.

 

[Wazzim]

do we know if NGP scaling is natively rendered at higher resolution, or just blurry upscaling they use for PS2 BC on old PS3? because they're not the same.

It's the 'good' scaling.

 

[Negator]

Yeah it's real smart to make this has-been cutting-edge system that now plays psp games!

I don't know about you but there are a lot of people on GAF who wished half their PSP collection were made on PS3 instead.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Yeah it's real smart to make this has-been cutting-edge system that now plays psp games!

Or coming up with a plan to sell software that wouldnt sell on the psp? and uhh...something something...making gamers happy.

 

[soultron]

Yeah it's real smart to make this has-been cutting-edge system that now plays psp games!

I don't own a PSP anymore, so you bet your bottom I'm down for this.

 

[Toki767]

As much as I'd love to play PSP remastered games...I think the games that I really want to play with co-op and such like Monster Hunter or Dissidia, I'd much rather wait until they're available on the Playstation Store since it'll be much more convenient in terms of playing a quick game whenever I want.

Hopefully there won't be a big wait for those games to go on the store. I can't imagine that they'll be a huge file size or anything.

 

[lowrider007]

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Resistance: Retribution yet, it already supports dual sticks, they just need to HD that baby up, it definitely deserves more revenue.

 

[Luigiv]

It's the 'good' scaling.

Also know as integer scaling. The NGP's resolution is exactly 4x the PSP's so there are no scaling artefacts created in the process.

 

[tetrisgrammaton]

Or coming up with a plan to sell software that wouldnt sell on the psp? and uhh...something something...making gamers happy.

What's the point of advancing technology if you're going to play games that are less than your last gen system?

 

[arnoldocastillo2003]

btw konami,your chance to sell your 3 million copies of peace walker,just re-call it metal gear solid 5 and let kojima announce it on sony's e3 conference

sony will be happy
mgs fans will be happy
konami shareholders will be happy
the world will be a better place

I support this way of thinking!

 

[Wazzim]

This is unconfirmed, and the only game that it was hinted at was, um, one of the games in the PSP Remaster series. And even though the NGP conference video wasn't the best quality, I could have sword MH3rd was still shown running at 480x272.

I'm on my phone atm but definitely read that the PSP games will run enhanced on the NGP.

 

[gofreak]

Adhoc Party Mode not working on 20GB PS3s because of no wifi is kind of funny and a bit of a bummer, though.

/20GB-PS3-here

 

[TheOddOne]

Does anybody have sales data on the HD collections that have been released so far on the PS3?

 

[Jigsaw]

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Resistance: Retribution yet, it already supports dual sticks, they just need to HD that baby up, it definitely deserves more revenue.

or even better,put it on the resistance 3 limited edition disc like EA did with dead space extraction or medal of honor frontline

 

[Drame]

If this could lead to a remastered GvG Next Plus I would be one happy man.

Awesome news!

 

[tetrisgrammaton]

kutaragi am rolling over in his grave

 

[StealthGoblin]

or even better,put it on the resistance 3 limited edition disc like EA did with dead space extraction or medal of honor frontline

Oh hells yes.

I love this development. Love it.

Essentially I get sexier versions of some of my favourites games to play in HD and on the NGP. SEX.

 

[Dambrosi]

So, a second bite of the cherry for best-selling PSP titles? Sounds great.

Let's just hope there's some real "classics" in there, like Peace Walker (with MGS4 controls) and Crisis Core (Pbbfffbt--).

 

[Bad_Boy]

What's the point of advancing technology if you're going to play games that are less than your last gen system?

dude. stop.

it's not like sony isnt pushing the bar with their upcoming ps3 titles. it's not like the NGP isnt pushing the bar either.

if you look at this as sony's version of "sega classics collection" there is nothing wrong with it. everyone wins.

 

[tetrisgrammaton]

dude. stop.

it's not like sony isnt pushing the bar with their upcoming ps3 titles. it's not like the NGP isnt pushing the bar either.

if you look at this as sony's version of "sega classics collection" there is nothing wrong with it. everyone wins.

it just strikes me as odd that sony is so quick to deny publishers like cave and ignition and then they go and say hey we play psp now

 

[TheOddOne]

kutaragi am rolling over in his grave

We get it. You don't like this, but most of the other people in this thread like this development. So enough with shitting on our parade.

 

[Corto]

Now that is surprising!

Patapon
Peace Walker
Tactics Ogre
Monster Hunter with proper Online
Red Dawn's God of War
Killzone Liberation

 

[Graphics Horse]

I'm on my phone atm but definitely read that the PSP games will run enhanced on the NGP.

You may end up being correct about the scaling but as far as I'm aware there's never been any explanation of what they meant so far. All I have is Yoshida saying: 'A little bit of a face-lift'

 

[DiscoJer]

I think Sony should have just put more effort into their PSP emulator in the PS3.

A good emulator can really improve the look of 3d stuff. The Xbox emulator in the 360 works really well (on the games it works on).

And that way the same game could be on the PSP-PS3-NGP.

I don't get what was keeping companies from doing this before, anyway, there were several PSP-->PS2 ports. (Not to mention, PSP-> Wii ports)

But I think this cuts the head off of the NGP in the West. Once GTA: LCS was ported to the PS2, software sales of VCS were dismal, because everyone knew it was coming to the PS2.

This is a clear signal the same will eventually happen to NGP exclusives...