PUA coaches sexual assault, spawns twitter campaign (disturbing imagery)

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Moon Patrol Pilot said:
The whole sexual harassment/assault opener is really stupid. 5 years ago, my cousin and her girlfriends were having a girls night out at a popular club in Houston. Some guy in a ridiculous top hat came over to their group and "opened the set" by grabbing her butt cheek. Not a pinch, but a full on handful and said to her "I bet you like that". She responded by punching him straight in the nose and hit him so hard that his nose exploded in blood.

Because Houston police were already there for security detail (that's how they moonlight) they questioned both parties, witnesses, and called paramedics because of the amount of blood the douchebag was leaking. It looked as if he'd been stabbed in the face. It turned out there was a live PUA boot camp in the club that night hosted by some out of town PUA guru who advocated grabbing butts and/or breasts as the initial contact and the offender was one of his protégés demonstrating to the students how it's supposed to be done.

My cousin wasn't charged with anything (self defense), the PUA douche was arrested and charged with sexual assault, and the guru was brought in for questioning. I don't know what became of them.
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This makes me happy.
 
Mumei said:
Why don't you watch The Skills Method of Dance Floor Seduction - make sure to have closed captions on! - and tell me if you get it after watching?
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Lol... wow. I do all of that.

Wooooowww. That's hilarious.

...

Wooooooooooooow.... Lol. Holy shit.

Sober said:
LOL I can't believe all the dumb shit I do sometimes on the dance floor is translated into a pseudoscience or board game rules.
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Fucking seriously. Had no idea such simple things are taught in step by step programs.
 
Moon Patrol Pilot said:
The whole sexual harassment/assault opener is really stupid. 5 years ago, my cousin and her girlfriends were having a girls night out at a popular club in Houston. Some guy in a ridiculous top hat came over to their group and "opened the set" by grabbing her butt cheek. Not a pinch, but a full on handful and said to her "I bet you like that". She responded by punching him straight in the nose and hit him so hard that his nose exploded in blood.

Because Houston police were already there for security detail (that's how they moonlight) they questioned both parties, witnesses, and called paramedics because of the amount of blood the douchebag was leaking. It looked as if he'd been stabbed in the face. It turned out there was a live PUA boot camp in the club that night hosted by some out of town PUA guru who advocated grabbing butts and/or breasts as the initial contact and the offender was one of his protégés demonstrating to the students how it's supposed to be done.

My cousin wasn't charged with anything (self defense), the PUA douche was arrested and charged with sexual assault, and the guru was brought in for questioning. I don't know what became of them.
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Damn, what a badass. That's the thing: not all women have time to react or are just gripped by fear and submit.

I just hope more and more women/men react to this kind of behavior as not ok at all
 
User33 said:
The choke opener is for AFCs. Real PUAs use "the claw":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuKWH8x7_oM
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Hahahaha, holy shit, is this for real?

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I always thought that the PUA stuff was, aside from sexist and disrespectful; as fucking stupid and ridiculous.

Now that you're throwing sexual harassment and choking women into the mix, now I have an example to look back when I remember my dislike towards this stuff.

And yeah, the claw, holy shit, if the claw is 'good advice' for men to date, maybe it's not that bad since they will get punched like the 'grabber' from the other post.
 
Heh, this claw stuff is old hat and pretty beginner tier. As a student of the Venusian Arts under He Who Was Formerly Mystery, you learn pyschic keno and shield reduction techniques. I've gotten so good that I can same day close when a hb10 looks at me in her rear view mirror.
 
Xisiqomelir said:
Legit am shocked at this "shocking" infield:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlWrFgIR6CU
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This wasn't as gross as outright strangling women but it was pretty much just him invading someone's space and forcing himself on them by kissing them or picking them up and lifting them away most of the time. I don't know if I'm just old and I don't get it or some people genuinely like that. At the end its just him in a seminar room spouting some weird bullshit mixed in with small kernels of genuine advice which is kinda disgusting, considering at the end of the day he's basically telling people to do the same shit he just showed off and rationalizing it away by making people think it's alright because "make sure she's having fun by having fun yourself, they'll be into it!"
 
This guy apparently had events here in Seattle too and folks are getting them cancelled left and right. Thank goodness.
 
Shouta said:
This guy apparently had events here in Seattle too and folks are getting them cancelled left and right. Thank goodness.
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You're just mad because he pulled the ole choke n poke on your ex in Japan, bruh.

House Party Kid, Aziz and then this guy... so tell me... why do all these douchebag kings come from Aus? Is it because everyone lives near a beach and thus gets into that macho beach alpha culture?
 
vas_a_morir said:
You're just mad because he pulled the ole choke n poke on your ex in Japan, bruh.

House Party Kid, Aziz and then this guy... so tell me... why do all these douchebag kings come from Aus? Is it because everyone lives near a beach and thus gets into that macho beach alpha culture?
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He's American and just currently touring Aus.
 
kame-sennin said:
He lost another venue, this time online:

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Edit: And he lost the Hilton Garden in Austin, Texas.
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The thing is, they were hosting these events on Eventbrite for a long time. I used to browse through the site for society events, and would always come across the free seminars. They apparently did things like keep the venue secret unless you registered and waited until just before the event to tell you the address.

Creepy bunch of goons.
 
BumRush said:
Haha okay i'll take your word for it...but...um, why? (Granted this is Bumrush's anecdotal evidence, but...) I have many friends - attractive, unattractive, shy, outgoing, etc. - that have met amazing people on dating sites like match.
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Because some people don't get messaged back or liked on tinder
 
Seriously, can we submitting report to interpol for this guy or something?
Creepy ass Ryan Gosling looks like motherfucker..
 
vas_a_morir said:
Don't joke it 'til you choke it, bruh

I think it only works if you are a handsome, fit dude. If I did it it'd be in front of a grand jury within months.
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Yeah perhaps. Daniel Tosh's comedy revolves around misogyny, yet he has just as many female fans as male fans. If he were a Danny DeVito looking fella, he'd get booed off stage. But he's a tall handsome alpha male so he gets away with it I guess.

This PUA guy is a piece of work though. He's treating women as sub-human because he has this belief they respond well to coercive force, and he preys on single guys who believe the only reason they are lonely is because they are "nice" guys. What PUA's should be teaching to lonely guys is how to be more spontaneous. You don't need to be an asshole to be spontaneous. Girls don't like "nice" guys because self labeled nice guys are generally boring. Throw in a curveball or two and avoid being uptight. Find common interests etc. there are a multitude of ways to grab a woman's interests without literally grabbing them.
 
FloatingDivider said:
Thanks. I mean I kind of expected people to like my post, internet posting is just like running game really. I was just trying to show a few of you average frustrated chumps what it's like to be a real alpha male. Don't get me wrong it's a tough road, I didn't just wake up my alpha'd out, master pua self. I had to put it real work perfecting my art. I crashed and burned into so many bitch shields I lost count the first few years. Nights where I'd go out sarging and the only kiss closes I could get would be on the warpigs I had to take out for my flightleaders. Days where I'd hesistate on the 3 second rule, which is one of the most important rules. If you engage you need to run game immediately, you can't put that shit on pause to think it over. With the kind of aggressive game I wanted to learn I was an approach grenade for the first 6 months, put entire sets on lockout for the rest of the evening. Once you refine your particular style though you can become a deadly seduction machine. I went from the terrible stuff I was doing to creating an exotic blend of Asshole Game/Cocky Funny Game/Enigmatic game. Once you get good you can literally run game so fast it's funny. I used to run this scattershot approach where I'd run through a whole range of techniques in the hopes one of them would work. I feel bad for the chicks I ran through some of them, well I would but they're chicks anyway, so who cares. I'd spent half the night stealth scoping chick trying to find out what they look like when norming so I could get a good cold read on her. I'd do silly palm reading shit and all of that.

Things change though because now I'm such a Don Juan I've got chicks all doggy bowl eyed and DTF before they can do a double take on my peacock accoutrement. Just last week in was in the mall picking up a chick that worked in the jewelry store. I saw her, cold approached within three seconds, dismantled her customer frame in 30 seconds with some offhand BBB about a completely unrelated subject. She was so confused she was giving me shut up and lead signals within the first minute. I joked around with her for a few minutes throwing up temporary truths everywhere, air bubbles, she liked them. I had already engaged kino, I was touching her casually and she was didn't respond so obviously she was going to be compliant. I put the kino on stall at that point to force some IOI's which she was all too keen to hand out. I was going to number/facebook close at first and hit up my phone/chat game, which is rusty, because I tend to sex close quickly. But the second I stopped kino and started body rocking away, I saw that classic glint, eye coding, if you will, she couldn't get enough attention.

I had complete frame control, I grabbed her hand and squeezed hard, to show I was an alpha male, and told her I'd bring her to the jewelry I'd like her to wear. I picked a necklace, told her to get it out and hand it to me. She did, I put in on her while making sure to focus kino on the breast region while planting the necklace firmly between her perky breasts. She loved it, I had her where I wanted. I created an immediate false time constraint by mentioning I had to go meet a girl at the other side of the mall but maybe I could come back so she could try out some more necklaces after the store closes. Pearl ones. She didn't get it, it's probably better she didn't. Anyways I hastily set up a timebridge for the end of her shift and fucked off. By the time I got back her imagination had ran so wild she was ready to head to wherever I'd take her. I took her to my pleasure bubble. She didn't even bother putting up any LMR or anything really. I smashed it like there was no tomorrow. When tomorrow came I asked her for her number but I'm not really planning on calling back. She had a middle toe that's longer than her big toe and I'm so not into that.
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I want a sitcom starring you and nudemacuser.
 
HGStormy said:
PUAs scare me
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The common/average PUA is mostly harmless. But the higher ranked MPUAs or GMs are potentially dangerous. They're capable of running mind games on multiple levels at any given time. I'd recommend to learn how to identify those to know when to distance yourself. Social engineering can be dangerous.

Its a shame though. The tools of PUA were originally meant to aid completely hopeless men to understand how to talk to women.

Over the years its developed into a tug-of-war for power. And power is addictive.
 
Moon Patrol Pilot said:
The whole sexual harassment/assault opener is really stupid. 5 years ago, my cousin and her girlfriends were having a girls night out at a popular club in Houston. Some guy in a ridiculous top hat came over to their group and "opened the set" by grabbing her butt cheek. Not a pinch, but a full on handful and said to her "I bet you like that". She responded by punching him straight in the nose and hit him so hard that his nose exploded in blood.

Because Houston police were already there for security detail (that's how they moonlight) they questioned both parties, witnesses, and called paramedics because of the amount of blood the douchebag was leaking. It looked as if he'd been stabbed in the face. It turned out there was a live PUA boot camp in the club that night hosted by some out of town PUA guru who advocated grabbing butts and/or breasts as the initial contact and the offender was one of his protégés demonstrating to the students how it's supposed to be done.

My cousin wasn't charged with anything (self defense), the PUA douche was arrested and charged with sexual assault, and the guru was brought in for questioning. I don't know what became of them.
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Oh lord this is glorious
 
Moon Patrol Pilot said:
The whole sexual harassment/assault opener is really stupid. 5 years ago, my cousin and her girlfriends were having a girls night out at a popular club in Houston. Some guy in a ridiculous top hat came over to their group and "opened the set" by grabbing her butt cheek. Not a pinch, but a full on handful and said to her "I bet you like that". She responded by punching him straight in the nose and hit him so hard that his nose exploded in blood.

Because Houston police were already there for security detail (that's how they moonlight) they questioned both parties, witnesses, and called paramedics because of the amount of blood the douchebag was leaking. It looked as if he'd been stabbed in the face. It turned out there was a live PUA boot camp in the club that night hosted by some out of town PUA guru who advocated grabbing butts and/or breasts as the initial contact and the offender was one of his protégés demonstrating to the students how it's supposed to be done.

My cousin wasn't charged with anything (self defense), the PUA douche was arrested and charged with sexual assault, and the guru was brought in for questioning. I don't know what became of them.
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Sounds like the students learned a valuable lesson there.
 
Can always count on the PUA guys to post in great length and detail, a private conversation between two of them must be incredible. 1UP into infinity.
 
I had a friend who loved this PUA stuff.
What's sad is it worked. Even the girls who reacted negatively and got angry with him ended up caught up. Making someone feel like you look down on them is way more powerful and effective than most people realize. He'd be a prick and tear some girls down at the beginning of the night and a few hours later they'd be talking to him trying to prove to him they weren't stupid/boring/unfunny/prude etc....
 
siddx said:
I had a friend who loved this PUA stuff.
What's sad is it worked. Even the girls who reacted negatively and got angry with him ended up caught up. Making someone feel like you look down on them is way more powerful and effective than most people realize. He'd be a prick and tear some girls down at the beginning of the night and a few hours later they'd be talking to him trying to prove to him they weren't stupid/boring/unfunny/prude etc....
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I don't think the issue is so much about if it works as it is the shittiness of believing that your desire to get laid trumps putting forth basic respect to an innumerable amount of women. Obviously the tactic you're talking about works, when it does, because she has deep rooted issues with her self-worth and this guy was exploiting that for his benefit. He's literally bullying someone into having sex. If anyone has ever been bullied into doing something they don't want to do and recalls the tactics those bullies used to persuade them, then they would understand how hollow this triumph of getting laid really is. You don't respect the person who coerced you into doing something, you don't admire them, you don't want to be them. You resent that you felt no way to escape them.

I would much rather not have sex and know that I treat people well and am already happy with myself and my standing in the world than have to live with the fact that I only get laid due to invoking physical/emotional abuse and exploitation and that my self-esteem is contingent upon continuing the charade. I almost feel bad for guys caught up in this idea that, deep down, all guys want to get laid more than the next guy and you are a higher quality human being if you do. It's like watching someone show me how many push-ups they can do for no reason. It's embarrassing.
 
OrangeGrayBlue said:
I don't think the issue is so much about if it works as it is the shittiness of believing that your desire to get laid trumps putting forth basic respect to an innumerable amount of women. Obviously the tactic you're talking about works, when it does, because she has deep rooted issues with her self-worth and this guy was exploiting that for his benefit. He's literally bullying someone into having sex. If anyone has ever been bullied into doing something they don't want to do and recalls the tactics those bullies used to persuade them, then they would understand how hollow this triumph of getting laid really is. You don't respect the person who coerced you into doing something, you don't admire them, you don't want to be them. You resent that you felt no way to escape them.

I would much rather not have sex and know that I treat people well and am already happy with myself and my standing in the world than have to live with the fact that I only get laid due to invoking physical/emotional abuse and exploitation and that my self-esteem is contingent upon continuing the charade. I almost feel bad for guys caught up in this idea that, deep down, all guys want to get laid more than the next guy and you are a higher quality human being if you do. It's like watching someone show me how many push-ups they can do for no reason. It's embarrassing.
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well said.

also, I do not think it's necessary to push girls to make them kinky.
Acting "reasonnable" around girls and building up conversations/relations is more than enough to get sex.

and this all bro-attitude feels like those dudes are, in the end, more interested in men than women tho they find pussies efficient at making them cum.
 
OrangeGrayBlue said:
I don't think the issue is so much about if it works as it is the shittiness of believing that your desire to get laid trumps putting forth basic respect to an innumerable amount of women. Obviously the tactic you're talking about works, when it does, because she has deep rooted issues with her self-worth and this guy was exploiting that for his benefit. He's literally bullying someone into having sex. If anyone has ever been bullied into doing something they don't want to do and recalls the tactics those bullies used to persuade them, then they would understand how hollow this triumph of getting laid really is. You don't respect the person who coerced you into doing something, you don't admire them, you don't want to be them. You resent that you felt no way to escape them.

I would much rather not have sex and know that I treat people well and am already happy with myself and my standing in the world than have to live with the fact that I only get laid due to invoking physical/emotional abuse and exploitation and that my self-esteem is contingent upon continuing the charade. I almost feel bad for guys caught up in this idea that, deep down, all guys want to get laid more than the next guy and you are a higher quality human being if you do. It's like watching someone show me how many push-ups they can do for no reason. It's embarrassing.
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It's the problem with the current hyper agressive PUA mentality: it's not about finding dates, but hook ups. Which are fine and dandy, until your entire intimate life revolves around banging as many women as you can. Since this is easier said than done for most people, it only leads to frustration and more agressive tactics. It is one thing to pursue casual sex and a different one to do it with a different girl each weekend. You only end up competing with yourself (and more successful friends if they are also into it).

I'm all for one night stands and short term things, but the serial dating/hooking up frustration is very real.
 
FloatingDivider said:
Thanks. I mean I kind of expected people to like my post, internet posting is just like running game really. I was just trying to show a few of you average frustrated chumps what it's like to be a real alpha male. Don't get me wrong it's a tough road, I didn't just wake up my alpha'd out, master pua self. I had to put it real work perfecting my art. I crashed and burned into so many bitch shields I lost count the first few years. Nights where I'd go out sarging and the only kiss closes I could get would be on the warpigs I had to take out for my flightleaders. Days where I'd hesistate on the 3 second rule, which is one of the most important rules. If you engage you need to run game immediately, you can't put that shit on pause to think it over. With the kind of aggressive game I wanted to learn I was an approach grenade for the first 6 months, put entire sets on lockout for the rest of the evening. Once you refine your particular style though you can become a deadly seduction machine. I went from the terrible stuff I was doing to creating an exotic blend of Asshole Game/Cocky Funny Game/Enigmatic game. Once you get good you can literally run game so fast it's funny. I used to run this scattershot approach where I'd run through a whole range of techniques in the hopes one of them would work. I feel bad for the chicks I ran through some of them, well I would but they're chicks anyway, so who cares. I'd spent half the night stealth scoping chick trying to find out what they look like when norming so I could get a good cold read on her. I'd do silly palm reading shit and all of that.

Things change though because now I'm such a Don Juan I've got chicks all doggy bowl eyed and DTF before they can do a double take on my peacock accoutrement. Just last week in was in the mall picking up a chick that worked in the jewelry store. I saw her, cold approached within three seconds, dismantled her customer frame in 30 seconds with some offhand BBB about a completely unrelated subject. She was so confused she was giving me shut up and lead signals within the first minute. I joked around with her for a few minutes throwing up temporary truths everywhere, air bubbles, she liked them. I had already engaged kino, I was touching her casually and she was didn't respond so obviously she was going to be compliant. I put the kino on stall at that point to force some IOI's which she was all too keen to hand out. I was going to number/facebook close at first and hit up my phone/chat game, which is rusty, because I tend to sex close quickly. But the second I stopped kino and started body rocking away, I saw that classic glint, eye coding, if you will, she couldn't get enough attention.

I had complete frame control, I grabbed her hand and squeezed hard, to show I was an alpha male, and told her I'd bring her to the jewelry I'd like her to wear. I picked a necklace, told her to get it out and hand it to me. She did, I put in on her while making sure to focus kino on the breast region while planting the necklace firmly between her perky breasts. She loved it, I had her where I wanted. I created an immediate false time constraint by mentioning I had to go meet a girl at the other side of the mall but maybe I could come back so she could try out some more necklaces after the store closes. Pearl ones. She didn't get it, it's probably better she didn't. Anyways I hastily set up a timebridge for the end of her shift and fucked off. By the time I got back her imagination had ran so wild she was ready to head to wherever I'd take her. I took her to my pleasure bubble. She didn't even bother putting up any LMR or anything really. I smashed it like there was no tomorrow. When tomorrow came I asked her for her number but I'm not really planning on calling back. She had a middle toe that's longer than her big toe and I'm so not into that.
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User33 said:
The choke opener is for AFCs. Real PUAs use "the claw":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuKWH8x7_oM
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These are amazing.
 
BocoDragon said:
PUA is bad medicine. It doesn't work. It's like people who get into cults looking for happiness only to find that being invested in these arbitrary mental models does nothing to draw you closer to that which you seek.
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If you fail to acknowledge how it does work well you aren't going to convince people otherwise why PUA tactics are suboptimal and a poorer trajectory path to being at peace with oneself.

vas_a_morir said:
Trying to pick up girls for interracial dates. How racist. He must be in the Klan.
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The racism was implying Japanese women are so submissive they don't mind being molested at all.
 
Circle Jerk said:
This is the dude from the creepy Japanese pick up artist thread from a few days ago. This guy has raped women. There is no way he sees a difference between sex and rape. And men are paying thousands specifically to learn this. PUA is disgusting.
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link to thread please
 
freenudemacusers said:
Having not been very social due to a psycho [ex]wife and back-to-back deployments... it was daunting to get back out there. I pushed through the fear and put myself out there. It was obvious now that I had been ignoring some really crucial points about game as a whole (inner and outer). I made the decision to do some research. I read Neil's book a long time ago, so my exposure to all of this was from there. I looked back into it online, found RSD and immersed myself in it since it felt like I had a working knowledge of the principles; it didn't feel so foreign to me.

So let me get to the point already. A few months ago, I met a Columbian chick on POF. I'd say she's between a 6 and 7 depending on if she's talking or not. We met for coffee and went on a few weak ass dates. I'll take responsibility for that since I'm a man about it. I knew I wanted to close her but, she was feisty as fuck. Always shit-testing me before I even knew what that was. I guess I fared well since she still wanted to chill. I picked her up at some point in October for a day date. She got on my nerves and I dropped her off before we even made it to brunch or whatever weak ass plan I had then. I decided that she wasn’t worth the effort.

Later that month, I'm in Phoenix on business for about 2 months. I meet this 8.5 Israeli babe in the Scottsdale mall. This day, I was definitely in state and number closed her in 3 mins. The rest of the week, my text and phone game was on point with her. She couldn't wait for the weekend. I meet with her and stay on point with everything: conversation, escalation, push-pull. I take her back to bar in the hotel lobby. I kiss close her there. Knowing a bit about the culture, I trust my instinct. It’s telling me to display intent but not pull her that night. It worked. She met me the next weekend and we fucked the entire time.

When I headed back to Raleigh, the Israeli chick transferred there just to keep seeing me. I decided to start seeing her exclusively since she was only going to be in the states for a few months more and I genuinely liked her. When she leaves back to Tel Aviv, I hit up the Columbian chick to chill since everyone else I had lined up flaked for one reason or another. When I met her, that annoying personality reminded me why I stopped talking to her. Here's where RSD principles really showed their worth.

From the very onset, I decided that I was going to push past all obstacles and fuck her that night; that was number one. Number two was logistics. I live in an upscale apartment complex that is in a shopping plaza with a Ruth's Chris, Bella Mia, a fucking expensive women's shoes boutique blah blah blah... The biggest advantage is all the parking space. Follow me...

I tell the Columbian chick to meet me at the Ruth's Chris so she can park her car and I'll drive us in downtown and she can save on paying for parking. She agrees. We go downtown and its packed. Lines to get in at every bar. Since we left late, I feel we're wasting valuable drinking time and offer to take it back closer to where she parked. She agrees. We hit a small pub nearby and have a few drinks. We start talking about all kinds of bullshit and she starts shit-testing me again. I hold my frame. Unapologetic. Tearing her bullshit down to the last strand. We close down the bar and I offer to take her back to her car.

As we pull in, I switch it up and offer her coffee. She's confused. Then I reveal that I live in these very apartments, coincidentally. She agrees to come in for water. I get her inside and pour her wine instead. She tells me pointedly that we are not having sex. I tell her, that's fine and to just relax and enjoy herself. So she drinks. An hour later, I have her in my bed bullshitting with her. She tells me again, we're not having sex. I say, ok. I start caressing her, talking bullshit, grabbing her ass and she's in full blown LMR mode. I keep plowing through it with a smile on face and ramping up the escalation.

Another hour of this bullshit. Finally, she's resisting hard and gets extremely firm with saying "Stop. I'm serious. We are not having sex. I'm going to leave if you don't stop." I feel like an asshole because she's too drunk to drive so I say. “Ok. I'll stop but really, don't drive. Just sleep it off.” She feels content with this and lies there. Then I say this to her.

"Here's the thing: this is MY bed. If you're going to stay, you can sleep in the guest room."

She’s upset and says, "ok" gets up and storms off to the other room. 2 mins later, I hear her grabbing her keys and she says, "I'm leaving." I reply, "Drive safe!" She waits a minute then comes into the room asking me if I'm mad at her. I tell her, "Of course I'm not mad at you! I'm disappointed in you. I know you want to fuck me but you're over there playing stupid. But fuck it, I'm over it. Just drive safe, ok?" Then she walks over to the bed and asks me to explain why I'm disappointed in her. I tell her this:

"Look, you're here. You're in my bed. You knew the deal the entire night and you're obviously attracted to me. So what is your problem?"

She comes up with some typical I'm-not-a-slut reasoning and I tell her that I know she isn't. She says she's old fashioned and wants to date a while blah blah blah. I say, "we need to find out if there is chemistry here first. Before all that other shit." she asks "How? By having sex?" and I say, "Yes."

She resists a bit more but I just tell her to shut up and start kissing her. Clothes starts flying off and I'm smashing before you know it. She bounces in the morning and there's no awkward bullshit.

If I had defaulted to my old habits, I would've failed and miserably so. In this case, the right state of mind was key. I only envisioned success. The only other option was burning rapport with this chick down to the ashes. The outcome would only be one or the other and I was fine with either. I really hope this helps me build the momentum I need to build more references to grow to the next level.
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Are you being serious here? It sounds like you bullied that girl into sex.
 
Holy shit at the reactions on the RSD forum. According to them this is a witch hunt by PC feminazis. Really, the comparison between PUA and MRA made earlier in the thread is making sense.

sample from that thread:

Lol just saw his facebook page, all the haters are fugly girls who can't get a dick anywhere.
It's pretty funny, those girls are complaining to something that will never happen to them because noone would have the guts to approach them.
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