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I tried rolling for Isis yesterday, and it didn't work

Last piece I need for my A. Ra team (even though it has taken a backseat to my A. Bastet team)
 

Bladelaw

Member
I tried rolling for Isis yesterday, and it didn't work

Last piece I need for my A. Ra team (even though it has taken a backseat to my A. Bastet team)

We can start a club. Real bummed about missing Isis. It sucks there's really nothing to replace her. Muse is a poor substitute.
 
Ok confession time: I spent a silly amount of money rolling for Isis. I did not get her, but I did get damn near everything else. I know I have enough MP for YomiDra when she shows up again. The question is how much of what I got is worth keeping? I have multiple Akechis, Zuohs, Castors, Sumires, Tsubakis, Kakkabs etc.

My padherder box is up to date. I'm overwhelmed with "stuff" and want to clean house but I don't want to get rid of something potentially useful in the purge.

You can probably sell Muse, at least 1 Sumire, a couple Australis (Don't know much about her use as a sub/lead, but I doubt 4 is ever necessary. Maybe keep 2.), 1 Odin, 3 Kakkabs, Goetia, 1 or 2 Zuohs,

I would definitely keep 3 Akechis. Guy is an awesome sub as is, and will eventually get split evolutions. Plus there's plenty of teams you can run 2 Akechis on. I wouldn't sell a dupe Castor for the same reasons. Fenrir is up to you. I'd hold on to them if you can and see if people start clearing high level content with a system team of him. What I'd do is sell only what you have to to get to 300K MP, and keep the rest. You never know when a card will come in handy.
 

Kyuur

Member
Ok confession time: I spent a silly amount of money rolling for Isis. I did not get her, but I did get damn near everything else. I know I have enough MP for YomiDra when she shows up again. The question is how much of what I got is worth keeping? I have multiple Akechis, Zuohs, Castors, Sumires, Tsubakis, Kakkabs etc.

My padherder box is up to date. I'm overwhelmed with "stuff" and want to clean house but I don't want to get rid of something potentially useful in the purge.

With the upcoming Fenrir buff, his optimal team uses farmable subs (Gainaut & Jormun), so I don't think there is any reason to have dupes. Maybe 1.
 

Bladelaw

Member
You can probably sell Muse, at least 1 Sumire, a couple Australis (Don't know much about her use as a sub/lead, but I doubt 4 is ever necessary. Maybe keep 2.), 1 Odin, 3 Kakkabs, Goetia, 1 or 2 Zuohs,

I would definitely keep 3 Akechis. Guy is an awesome sub as is, and will eventually get split evolutions. Plus there's plenty of teams you can run 2 Akechis on. I wouldn't sell a dupe Castor for the same reasons. Fenrir is up to you. I'd hold on to them if you can and see if people start clearing high level content with a system team of him. What I'd do is sell only what you have to to get to 300K MP, and keep the rest. You never know when a card will come in handy.

Thanks, that's exactly my concern. It looks like Fenrir got a buff in JP that lets him do stupid damage but requires a magic board (9 jammers and 5 colors). That said I'm not big on relying on jammers for damage.

For those that don't want to look at my mess of a box, here's what I have of note:

Zuoh x3
Lkali x4
Akechi x3
Persephone x2
Australis x4
Goetia x2
Fenrir x4
Kakkab x4
Lumiel x2
Castor x2
Ra x5 (one awoken and one L/D evo'd, the rest unevoed)
LMeta x1 (1 extra)
Grodin x3 (1 fully evo'ed 2 at base)
Sumire x3
Muse x2
Andromeda x2 (1 maxed 1 base)
Yamato x2 (1 maxed 1 base)
Urd x3 (1 maxed 2 base)
Tsubaki (1 extra)
 

Jagernaut

Member
ATTENTION!
Please remember to run todays C1 Dungeon with a coin multiplier lead.
The reward is dropping in the dungeon and can be multiplied.
Use your Ganeshas!

I don't have Ganesha so I used King Devitama with a friend Ganesha for 3x coins.
 
Thanks, that's exactly my concern. It looks like Fenrir got a buff in JP that lets him do stupid damage but requires a magic board (9 jammers and 5 colors). That said I'm not big on relying on jammers for damage.

For those that don't want to look at my mess of a box, here's what I have of note:

Zuoh x3
Lkali x4
Akechi x3
Persephone x2
Australis x4
Goetia x2
Fenrir x4
Kakkab x4
Lumiel x2
Castor x2
Ra x5 (one awoken and one L/D evo'd, the rest unevoed)
LMeta x1 (1 extra)
Grodin x3 (1 fully evo'ed 2 at base)
Sumire x3
Muse x2
Andromeda x2 (1 maxed 1 base)
Yamato x2 (1 maxed 1 base)
Urd x3 (1 maxed 2 base)
Tsubaki (1 extra)

With 4 Kakkab's, you can run a Kakkab's system. Either itself as a lead or an unconditional or an easily met conditional lead.

You can use it to push farm. Once max skilled and if you have a friend kakkab. That is a unconditional 20.25 multipler double tpa with a set every turn. That isn't insignificant amounts of damage.

Kind of a more restrictive cloud system.
 

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
Thanks, that's exactly my concern. It looks like Fenrir got a buff in JP that lets him do stupid damage but requires a magic board (9 jammers and 5 colors). That said I'm not big on relying on jammers for damage.

For those that don't want to look at my mess of a box, here's what I have of note:

Zuoh x3
Lkali x4
Akechi x3
Persephone x2
Australis x4
Goetia x2
Fenrir x4
Kakkab x4
Lumiel x2
Castor x2
Ra x5 (one awoken and one L/D evo'd, the rest unevoed)
LMeta x1 (1 extra)
Grodin x3 (1 fully evo'ed 2 at base)
Sumire x3
Muse x2
Andromeda x2 (1 maxed 1 base)
Yamato x2 (1 maxed 1 base)
Urd x3 (1 maxed 2 base)
Tsubaki (1 extra)


In general you wanna keep orb-changers with hast for systems teams down the line. Also powerful boardchangers ala Urds.

4x Australis is just nuts...thats alone 20 rows. You could run a crazy Perseus squad :eek:
Invest in Sumire - she is great and also very good sub for herself.

You can probably get rid off - 1x Muse, 2x Grodin, 1x LMeta, 2x Ra ( i would keep the other 3 for farming stuff like Tamadra Retreat and PreDRas), 1x Goetia... and i would probably keep the rest for now. You probably can get rid of 2 LKalis, but i would keep them just be sure, they might be useful once we get the 2nd active skill update.

At the end obviously it depends on which teams you wanna play...but the ones i mentioned are safe to sell without regretting it too mich - imo.
 

hermit7

Member
What's so good about her? I run Saria/Thor but I have Awoken Isis and I'm not sure what to do with her.

Isis on rainbow teams is good because she is unbindable in off colors that are hard to fill, and her short cool down, which is important for hitting 100x frequently. Isis also clears binds and reduces damage by a little bit, but those are less used I think typically.

Typically you also want Dkali for the same reason (and her board change as well).
 
Isis on rainbow teams is good because she is unbindable in off colors that are hard to fill, and her short cool down, which is important for hitting 100x frequently. Isis also clears binds and reduces damage by a little bit, but those are less used I think typically.

Typically you also want Dkali for the same reason (and her board change as well).
Ahh I see. I just checked Awoken Ra and her 3 turn CD would be awesome for getting the extra 2x frequently. Thanks for the info.
 

Bladelaw

Member
With 4 Kakkab's, you can run a Kakkab's system. Either itself as a lead or an unconditional or an easily met conditional lead.

You can use it to push farm. Once max skilled and if you have a friend kakkab. That is a unconditional 20.25 multipler double tpa with a set every turn. That isn't insignificant amounts of damage.

Kind of a more restrictive cloud system.

I'm curious where this system would be best implemented. What dungeons are doable with this setup? I don't want to invest +eggs here and the time to skill up 4 kakkabs is...significant. KOTG farming?

In general you wanna keep orb-changers with hast for systems teams down the line. Also powerful boardchangers ala Urds.

4x Australis is just nuts...thats alone 20 rows. You could run a crazy Perseus squad :eek:
Invest in Sumire - she is great and also very good sub for herself.

You can probably get rid off - 1x Muse, 2x Grodin, 1x LMeta, 2x Ra ( i would keep the other 3 for farming stuff like Tamadra Retreat and PreDRas), 1x Goetia... and i would probably keep the rest for now. You probably can get rid of 2 LKalis, but i would keep them just be sure, they might be useful once we get the 2nd active skill update.

At the end obviously it depends on which teams you wanna play...but the ones i mentioned are safe to sell without regretting it too mich - imo.
Haste systems: like above where are they best utilized? Ideally I'd like to have a push button descend farm team for +eggs, is this possible?

Perseus Team: So would a row heavy Perseus team look something like
Perseus
Australis
Australis
Australis
<utility sub> (skill bind immune)
Perseus?
I'm willing to lose some rows to maintain 100% SBR

Sumire: Is she worth building around if I already have Awoken Lakshmi, Andromeda, and Sarsvati?

Ra: Once I have the materials (Sopdet just doesn't want to drop) I plan on having at least 4 awoken Ra's with a grand Tengu in the other slot to cover the Gem Dragon dungeons.

LKali: How many does one really need? 3 seems like enough (probably overkill even) so I'm having trouble thinking of what possible boost they could give her to justify more.
 
I'm curious where this system would be best implemented. What dungeons are doable with this setup? I don't want to invest +eggs here and the time to skill up 4 kakkabs is...significant. KOTG farming?

Here is an example of a cloud/leonis system running padz collab. It has similar mechanics.

One or two light tpas w/ 20.25x multiplier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf31WEcCy1Q

It is not an insignificant investment. If you are interested, you can just max level them and run it through KOTG to see the damage potential.

The biggest problem is 20.25 multiplier only applies to dark machines. Non-machine dark types only get a 2.25 multiplier.

The other dark subs I can think of are Machine Hera, Castor and Eschmali.

Although you can run subs just utility. Awoken Loki for spike for example.
 

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
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Haste systems: like above where are they best utilized? Ideally I'd like to have a push button descend farm team for +eggs, is this possible?

Perseus Team: So would a row heavy Perseus team look something like
Perseus
Australis
Australis
Australis
<utility sub> (skill bind immune)
Perseus?
I'm willing to lose some rows to maintain 100% SBR

Sumire: Is she worth building around if I already have Awoken Lakshmi, Andromeda, and Sarsvati?

Ra: Once I have the materials (Sopdet just doesn't want to drop) I plan on having at least 4 awoken Ra's with a grand Tengu in the other slot to cover the Gem Dragon dungeons.

LKali: How many does one really need? 3 seems like enough (probably overkill even) so I'm having trouble thinking of what possible boost they could give her to justify more.

Avalon Drakes Uevo could into that spot - especially since that team would need his Slill up Awakenings.

http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=2752

Maybe you dont need to work on a Sumire team if you are already happy with your current water teams - she is useful sub on Lakshmi and Sara teams though - so that helps.

Why do you need 4 Awoken Ras ?

No team uses more than 3 LKalis, but as said her active could be a useful addon for another unit down the line.
 

Bladelaw

Member
Avalon Drakes Uevo could into that spot - especially since that team would need his Slill up Awakenings.

http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=2752

Maybe you dont need to work on a Sumire team if you are already happy with your current water teams - she is useful sub on Lakshmi and Sara teams though - so that helps.

Why do you need 4 Awoken Ras ?

No team uses more than 3 LKalis, but as said her active could be a useful addon for another unit down the line.

Aren't there some 5 floor dungeons where true damage would let you snooze through?

Spot on about Avalon Drake, I happen to have him too. So I think that team is going to happen. The biggest Issue I foresee is leader binds but I can sub in Awoken Amaterasu if it comes to that.

So that would be (assuming Perseus UUevo) 22 Rows, basically unlimited boosted wood drops and more wood whenever I needed it.

Jesus...So would Perseus's 5x and row activate if my 10 connected was 6 across and four more down? Basically hit two sides of the square board with wood?

Thinking about this...man this could be nuts. 10x + 220% damage per row...
 
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Anybody got ideas for what non-REM sub I could put into that last slot? Also, anybody want a free BFF from my JP no-REM account? It runs Goemon, Athena, and usually a Vamp Lord.
 

Jagernaut

Member
Aren't there some 5 floor dungeons where true damage would let you snooze through?

Spot on about Avalon Drake, I happen to have him too. So I think that team is going to happen. The biggest Issue I foresee is leader binds but I can sub in Awoken Amaterasu if it comes to that.

So that would be (assuming Perseus UUevo) 22 Rows, basically unlimited boosted wood drops and more wood whenever I needed it.

Jesus...So would Perseus's 5x and row activate if my 10 connected was 6 across and four more down? Basically hit two sides of the square board with wood?

Thinking about this...man this could be nuts. 10x + 220% damage per row...

Yes but that would keep you from making a 2nd row which you should do if you have enough orbs. Example of 2 rows and 25x using Avalon Drake active:

 

jay23

Member
currently my team is evolving.

a long time ago I used to run blonia so for most teams I pair with another blonia - the team generally looks like -

Ryune/blonia/amon/hermes/blodin/blonia

-which I customize when needed. Andro's next form should support a physical team.

I've found this as a formidable team with 60k+ and an ok spike with blodins enhance.

now that I've recruited more I&I leads I've been working with different subs and haven't found a team I really like - but have tried Gabriel and Andromeda, B.Valk, sun quan, sumire - just haven't figured out the best combination.

Looks like I'll have to roll during water gala again so I can pick up some more potential sub's.
This new site from someone on reddit should help figuring out the optimal sub's.
http://cpx.asuscomm.com/monsters/2443

Link looks fishy but it's the "pad rater" website you can Google instead if you want.



I need so many tamadras now after all my new godfest rolls this should be fun. Trying to see who I should focus on, Yomi and Rodin are priority right now. Yomi should be a fun challenging lead to use and I now have a dark sakuya team. I've also read that you can use Castor with yomidragon so I'll work on him too.

Will wait for all the new Heroe ults so I can start working on them. Wukong should be a great fit on my Thor team. And I think yamato can steal someone's spot on my Shiva team.

Not sure what to do with Nephthys, she's my first Egyptian God 2 monster but seems pretty underwhelming.
 

Bladelaw

Member
Yes but that would keep you from making a 2nd row which you should do if you have enough orbs. Example of 2 rows and 25x using Avalon Drake active:

Ok so how does the math work out on that?

25x (both Perseus leads) + 220% per row * 2 rows
How are bonuses applied?
25*(2.2*2)? so 25*4.4 => 110x damage?
 

hermit7

Member
Anyone tried to do challenge 9 yet?

I am not sure who the best option is going to be, maybe lakshmi or Parvati?

Parv is great for that 39x damage while lakshmi is great for the advantage versus hino.

Lucifer is possible as well, but 9x doesn't seem like it would be enough damage without the multipliers.

A. Panda seems feasible as well I suppose, though there aren't really any decent devil delays.
 

Bladelaw

Member
I think C6 is as far as I'm getting in the one shots. I need to farm up jewels badly.
In order to be prepped for YomiDra and Awoken Sakuya I need 2 dark 2 fire 5 light 1 water. 8 runs of Sphinx today and no invades.

Light day is going to be hell.
 
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Anybody got ideas for what non-REM sub I could put into that last slot? Also, anybody want a free BFF from my JP no-REM account? It runs Goemon, Athena, and usually a Vamp Lord.
Like Bladelaw said, Elia fits. Also if you're sticking with Light God-types, dupe Valk, Archangel(bind clears), Light Mech(defense break + shield).
 

Rixa

Member
AS is 35% grav, +2sec move time for one turn
LS is same as Ra Dragon except an HP boost instead of RCV

edit: farmable? with pad radar, not an MP dragon

Great now were at 10 stars... Waiting for 666 stars.
Looking those 3 Awokens, seems to be farmable. Cause if rem and gazillion stars it would have many awokens more.
I just dont get it, wasnt like 6 stars or so enough?
 

Rixa

Member
No luck with skill ups :(

Saria 0/3 (I need one skill up)
Halloween T&S 0/2
LKali 0/4

YomiDra is now hypermaxed thanks to 10.2% reward from ranking dungeon.
 

J0dy77

Member
AS is 35% grav, +2sec move time for one turn
LS is same as Ra Dragon except an HP boost instead of RCV

edit: farmable? with pad radar, not an MP dragon

Is that the first 10 star card? And it's not an MP but farmable? That would be crazy.

Glad i've been to poor to afford an MP card thus far.
 

Bladelaw

Member
What are the odds we get it? If it's a PADR exclusive blocked by location with a near impossible descend I'd guess close to 0 right?
 

Bladelaw

Member
So I'm about 4 light jewels away from Awoken Sakuya. Looking at guides I appear to have the subs for a couple decent teams with her. Which of these would perform better?
A. Sakuya
L. Kali
Indra
L. Valk
A. Venus
A. Sakuya

A. Sakuya
L. Kali
L. Kali
Elia
Kushi
A. Sakuya

A. Sakuya
L. Kali
L. Valk
Elia
Indra
A. Sakuya

A. Sakuya
D. Kali
Okuni
Diza
A. Yomi
A. Sakuya

A. Sakuya
D. Kali
D. Kali
Diza
A. Yomi
A. Sakuya
 

razterik

Member
So I'm about 4 light jewels away from Awoken Sakuya. Looking at guides I appear to have the subs for a couple decent teams with her. Which of these would perform better?

Why not Light Kalix2, Valk, Indra? At least until Elia is finished if you haven't done her yet. Then maybe the Elia/Kushi build. Not a big fan of Dark Sakuya unless you're building dark teams anyway.

One-shot 9 clear. Died once to Neptune because too low HP (dumb Valk and her HP awakening), then a couple more times to Lakshmi spawning horrible corner jammers on her time reduction turn. I like her mechanic a lot, but it's totally dumb on a 7x6 board.

This was fun! Just stall for days and all active nuke every floor. Rodin for piis and again for Kagutsuchi resolve. Have to clear HP threshold for Neptune's final poison attack and then be careful not to match the full two rows of poison orbs that turn. Make a match to auto heal and he makes more hearts after that.
 

Bladelaw

Member
Why not Light Kalix2, Valk, Indra? At least until Elia is finished if you haven't done her yet. Then maybe the Elia/Kushi build. Not a big fan of Dark Sakuya unless you're building dark teams anyway.

Basically I have the Dark team all max awoken/leveled and moderately skilled (not the D. Kalis...yet). I'm stalling on Indra because who knows when he'll get an awoken form and I don't want to unevo anyone. My light team was originally an Amaterasu stall team so everyone (except indra) is evoed and awoken but not leveled or skilled.

This will all be moot if I can grab light jewels tomorrow though. Elia has a lot of work left to do so I'll hold off on her since L Valk is max skilled.

EDIT: I just cleared Endless with Awoken Archdemon Luci with a woefully under skilled team. Basically max level AALuci, A. Haku, level 15 Akechi, D/B Okuninushi, Diza, Friend AALuci.

I understand how this guy works now. Burst potential every floor, or tank with Diza. That's nuts. My biggest weakness with this team is stalling for skills until I can max skill Diza and Okuni.
 

Quantum

Member
its odd that not more than two days ago we were talking about carrot/stick.

I really like these one shot dungeons and the concept of progression.

Granted I've failed a few times because I didn't read the right order of specials - but up to level 9 and enjoying the rewards/stamina investment.

This type of dungeon should be the norm rather than what - the second time its appeared in four years?
 

hermit7

Member
its odd that not more than two days ago we were talking about carrot/stick.

I really like these one shot dungeons and the concept of progression.

Granted I've failed a few times because I didn't read the right order of specials - but up to level 9 and enjoying the rewards/stamina investment.

This type of dungeon should be the norm rather than what - the second time its appeared in four years?

Yeah I agree with you. I am enjoying these dungeons as well. I have lost challenge 9 a few times too, but I can beat it. Was at hino and ran out of hearts and needed one more turn before I could pop off some skills.

Hopefully we get these more frequently rather than descend challenges, which are OK but get tedious when they are all old descends.
 

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
I hate no Awoken Stages - took me 3 attempts because i did stupid mistakes like...well yeah without Awakening there is no bind resist against Hino smh. At the end it worked out...
Lets see if lvl 10 is possible...
 

MiTYH

Member
I.... did it! I finished my first Descends! I know I know, basic stuff. But after a lot of toying with a few teams and only being rank 124, I beat my first Legend Descends "Holy Goddess" with my LKali team! Consisted of LKali, Echidna, Castor, Jize, and Thumbelina. Last two were fillers but actually helped a lot, considering Jize got rid of a mask (they came in at all the same countdown, even though I did wind up Koing them all accidentally), and Thumbelina makes fire->heart, and castor heart ->dark which helped clear a bad board.

I didn't get the drop though, and apparently really do need the unit to move on to other ones. But I only had one LKali on my friend list. So...

317,696,348 for any LKali friends! I'm still learning how to use her properlly, but she's max level and fully awoken so you'll get your money's worth out of a friend request!
 

Bladelaw

Member
I.... did it! I finished my first Descends! I know I know, basic stuff. But after a lot of toying with a few teams and only being rank 124, I beat my first Legend Descends "Holy Goddess" with my LKali team! Consisted of LKali, Echidna, Castor, Jize, and Thumbelina. Last two were fillers but actually helped a lot, considering Jize got rid of a mask (they came in at all the same countdown, even though I did wind up Koing them all accidentally), and Thumbelina makes fire->heart, and castor heart ->dark which helped clear a bad board.

I didn't get the drop though, and apparently really do need the unit to move on to other ones. But I only had one LKali on my friend list. So...

317,696,348 for any LKali friends! I'm still learning how to use her properlly, but she's max level and fully awoken so you'll get your money's worth out of a friend request!

Congrats! I don't lead with Kali so I can't be much help there but now you have your first clear you have an idea of how to make that success repeatable. Eventually you'll get the drop. On Legend the chance is ~40% so in theory it shouldn't take you more than 3 runs.
 

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
I.... did it! I finished my first Descends! I know I know, basic stuff. But after a lot of toying with a few teams and only being rank 124, I beat my first Legend Descends "Holy Goddess" with my LKali team! Consisted of LKali, Echidna, Castor, Jize, and Thumbelina. Last two were fillers but actually helped a lot, considering Jize got rid of a mask (they came in at all the same countdown, even though I did wind up Koing them all accidentally), and Thumbelina makes fire->heart, and castor heart ->dark which helped clear a bad board.

I didn't get the drop though, and apparently really do need the unit to move on to other ones. But I only had one LKali on my friend list. So...

317,696,348 for any LKali friends! I'm still learning how to use her properlly, but she's max level and fully awoken so you'll get your money's worth out of a friend request!

Congrats - Valk was also my first Descend clear on Legend, also using a Rainbow leader (U&Y). I dont run Kali but i send you an invite anyway...but its fine if you wanna focus on LKali friends first.
 

hermit7

Member
One shot 9 is done.

Yomidra, okuni, Dmeta, Haku, bikinidora, yomidra.

Floor 1 match jammers only

Floor 2 you can stall forever here, I popped Dmeta when I was ready to move on and broke his defense.

Floor 3 whittle as much as possible. If you need hearts pop yomidra and stall when you have 1 or 2 left.

Floor 4 stall until skills are back up, popped Dmeta after he had changed orbs to Dark popped okuni and left at least one enhanced orb.

Floor 5 popped Pandora and yomidra. Made 4 dark combos and a few more and killed in one shot.

Overall ran it maybe 5 or 6 times, died 2 times on lakshmi, 2 times prior on Zeus when I was getting Dmeta back up, and once on the pii floor (no hearts to heal) but it is pretty stable it is just finding the best time to use all your skills most effectively.
 
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