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[ManaByte]

Is common core history the main curriculum in America? How can you not cover Hitler in history?

From what I understand Hitler is only mentioned as the leader of Germany in WWII, but all of the rest of the stuff is ignored.

DM the names who are defending Nazis here so I can block/ignore these cunts.

Just go into any Indy 5 thread. People rushing to the defense of a YouTuber who makes them laugh while shrugging off the evidence and fact that he runs an alternate Neo Nazi channel.

 

[Halo is Back]

Ye's crazy interview and all the despicable things he said further prove why this topic is so important to teach, and it's kind of scary that someone with that reach and influence can come out and say those things unashamedly.


Never forget, and never again.

 

[ManaByte]

Ye's crazy interview and all the despicable things he said further prove why this topic is so important to teach, and it's kind of scary that someone with that reach and influence can come out and say those things unashamedly.


Never forget, and never again.

Another problem is the overuse and abuse of the term Nazi. For the last few years people have applied it to everyone they disagreed with to the point where when there are literal Nazis running around with real influence, they build a rabid fan base who will defend them and shrug off the fact that they are actual Nazis.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

What a fascinating life it must be to be completely unmoored from reality and still get the spotlight like you have something to say

 

[akimbo009]

No you’re absolutely right. Common Core History doesn’t talk about Hitler. Which is why you have people like Kanye loving him and others even on this very forum blindly defending Nazis.

Is common core history the main curriculum in America? How can you not cover Hitler in history?

Common Core is only for math and english, not history. They absolutely do teach about Hitler and WW2, along with the horrors of the Holocaust. Dunno if this is some stealth strafe on common core but these topics are in school.

Beside, Kanye is old, and went to school before common core so that's not even an excuse.

Antisemitism is on the rise, along with a shit ton of other bullshit for so many reasons but it's not lack of teaching in school.

 

[ManaByte]

Beside, Kanye is old, and went to school before common core so that's not even an excuse.

Wasn’t talking about Kanye. There are people on this forum who go through mental gymnastics to defend Nazis they like.

 

[Xenon]

From what I understand Hitler is only mentioned as the leader of Germany in WWII, but all of the rest of the stuff is ignored.

I hate to not join in on the hate session for common core, it sucks. This is not true at all. Hitler is taught, most school require the Diary of Ann Frank as a reading. All kids leaving school have be given a stern lecture in the dangers of fascism and a healthy hate for Hitler.

Ye is the product of escalation of counter culture when someone exists outside of common social pressures. He went from interrupting award shows, calling out a president at a charity event, saying slavery was a choice, wearing a maga hat, antisemitic rants, and now pro he's pro Hitler. Dude has gone beyond pitting sides against each other for attention and is now going for universal outrage. No doubt the man is a troubled talented narcissist who is locked into a tragic course. I can't see how anyone can be affected personally by what this man has to say. Sure its sick and may invoke some anger but if you lend his words credence, that's on you.

 

[gaming_again]

The bipolar certainly doesn't help matters, but it's not the only underlying problem. Even without the swings, on any given day he’s incapable of self-reflection, incapable of admitting being wrong, incapable of taking no for an answer, incapable of maintaining friendships and relationships. He thinks he’s too smart for an education and too smart to have ever read a book. He thinks he can speak on behalf of Jesus and start a Sunday school without having read any of the Bible. He thinks he’s above being cancelled for saying the most heinous things. He thinks he’s an unparalleled genius who can do no wrong, and when someone gets in his way or pushes back on any of this, even gently, he turns on them completely.

And up until the Adidas moment, society has rewarded him and reinforced his behavior every step of the way, so of course he’s still doubling down.

All of that was forgivable because his music has moments where it feels as though God really does speak to him.

 

[RaduN]

Wasn’t talking about Kanye. There are people on this forum who go through mental gymnastics to defend Nazis they like.

Being edgy and part of "those" select few that know better than the ignorant masses, is the new cool. Or was it like that since forever? Who the hell knows anymore...

 

[daveonezero]

Ye's crazy interview and all the despicable things he said further prove why this topic is so important to teach, and it's kind of scary that someone with that reach and influence can come out and say those things unashamedly.


Never forget, and never again.

I think that a Prussian school system is the perfect environment to teach children morals and history.

Make it compulsory too so they have to go and parents go to jail is they don’t send their kids there. That will for sure get rid of all the Nazis

 

[EviLore]

 

[Rentahamster]

Ye: Jesus is King, and we should all strive to be like Jesus.

Also Ye: Elon might be a half Chinese clone like Obama sorry for saying the O-word.

 

[Little Mac]

 

[ManaByte]

 

[Vestal]

 

[EviLore]

 

[Kraz]

Wasn’t talking about Kanye. There are people on this forum who go through mental gymnastics to defend Nazis they like.

Education may not directly help those that purposefully live in denial, but it does help people identify those like that.

 

[IDKFA]

Education may not directly help those that purposefully live in denial, but it does help people identify those like that.

This might be controversial, but I believe that anybody who praises Hitler/Nazis and/or denies the holocaust happened needs to be sent into a re-education program. If that doesn't work, they should do prison time.

That might sound extreme, but holocaust denial is already in crime in a lot of countries (see France for example) and making this more widespread could fully silence these racist pricks.

 

[mxbison]

People are sensitive and cry too much.

Yeah let's stop being sensitive and just speak the truth:

You sound like a complete fucking moron.

 

[murmulis]

This might be controversial, but I believe that anybody who praises Hitler/Nazis and/or denies the holocaust happened needs to be sent into a re-education program. If that doesn't work, they should do prison time.

That might sound extreme, but holocaust denial is already in crime in a lot of countries (see France for example) and making this more widespread could fully silence these racist pricks.

Yup. One of the most notorious Holocaust deniers David Irving spent 13 months in Austrian prison and is banned from multiple countries. I hope the same happens to Kanye if he continues spewing his Nazi shit.

 

[FunkMiller]

Wasn’t talking about Kanye. There are people on this forum who go through mental gymnastics to defend Nazis they like.

I think that probably stems less from the fact they actually support nazis... and more from the fact they don't actually know what the nazis did, and what they were. That cretin you're talking about on YouTube, who wear the plastic mask, probably has absolutely no idea that actual nazis did things like this:






It's the lack of education that's the problem. Modern society uses the term 'nazi' way too easily. That word should be exclusively used to only describe the kinds of people who can commit those kinds of atrocities.

The only true nazis I see in our present day are the russian army.

 

[gaming_again]

This might be controversial, but I believe that anybody who praises Hitler/Nazis and/or denies the holocaust happened needs to be sent into a re-education program. If that doesn't work, they should do prison time.

That might sound extreme, but holocaust denial is already in crime in a lot of countries (see France for example) and making this more widespread could fully silence these racist pricks.

This is a terrible idea, and there being countries where holocaust denial is illegal does not make it a good idea.

 

[ManaByte]

That cretin you're talking about on YouTube, who wear the plastic mask, probably has absolutely no idea that actual nazis did things like this:

Oh he knows 100%. The problem is his fans hand wave it away because his anti-women/SJW character “makes them laugh”. If Hitler had a Netflix comedy special the same people would be lining up to join him.

 

[IDKFA]

This is a terrible idea, and there being countries where holocaust denial is illegal does not make it a good idea.

Why?

Like Holocaust denial in certain countries Nazi/Hitler praise should also result in prison time if re-education programs fail to work. How would this not be a net benefit to society?

 

[Rentahamster]

Why?

Like Holocaust denial in certain countries Nazi/Hitler praise should also result in prison time if re-education programs fail to work. How would this not be a net benefit to society?

Using the power of the state to detain someone and curtail their freedom is a very powerful action, and should be applied very carefully and only in cases where personal and public safety is at stake, such as threats of violence and incitement to riot/violence.

Holocaust denial and Nazi praise skirts the line on that, but in and of itself are not technically calls for violence until it gets into the territory of "we should do what they did".

Freedom of speech is a human right, and when establishing a liberty-centric framework of laws, I think we should err on the side of more freedoms, until it is absolutely clear that certain actions should be curtailed even further.

 

[EviLore]

 

[gaming_again]

Why?

Like Holocaust denial in certain countries Nazi/Hitler praise should also result in prison time if re-education programs fail to work. How would this not be a net benefit to society?

Two reasons worry me:

1) It being illegal to say certain thoughts will eventually lead to those thoughts disappearing, which

2) Creates a legal precedent for which any natural end is tyranny. For example, now nobody is thinking positively about the holocaust. What thinking needs to be ‘fixed’ next? It’s not the only historical tragedy, after all.

Where do you think this leads? Somewhere good?

 

[Roxkis_ii]

Man, this dude Ye is sick. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad watching someone self destruct in public.

All the stuff he's worked for thrown out the window and for what?

I believe we all get what we deserve in the end. I just hope he gets to a state of mind to be able to reflect on his actions.

 

[64bitmodels]

Here are some artists/bands (not hip hop exclusive) that also aren't nazis and make better music than Kanye ever has and ever will

Camellia
kors k
MF DOOM (rip)
Cypress Hill
Fear Factory
Reveille
Fearofdark
Kulor
Ryutaro Nakahara

 

[DryvBy]

Is common core history the main curriculum in America? How can you not cover Hitler in history?

Hitler was covered at my school. We went through tons of crazed world leaders so I have no idea where "Hitler wasn't covered in America" comes from.

 

[akimbo009]

Oh he knows 100%. The problem is his fans hand wave it away because his anti-women/SJW character “makes them laugh”. If Hitler had a Netflix comedy special the same people would be lining up to join him.

This.

Ignorance is no excuse. There's plenty of education, as well as public discussion and awareness around Nazi Holocaust and actions it's definitely not something people don't know. They do, and they don't give a shit. That's why evil is perinnial and requires constant vigilance. Just look at Putin - fucker is blaming Ukraine on them being Nazi's when they themselves are the actual fucking Nazis.

But we also go folks like the video linked here who for the lols picks around the edges and slips in on other edgy shit like anti-woke or gender debates. It's a fine line, and freedom of speech is absolutely important, but hiding behind it to give yourself a pass on being a supreme douche isn't really the intent of it or why folks die for it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Hitler was covered at my school. We went through tons of crazed world leaders so I have no idea where "Hitler wasn't covered in America" comes from.

We spent an entire year in world history class when I was in grade 10. Even had holocaust survivors come in and speak with us where we could ask questions, etc..

 

[IDKFA]

Using the power of the state to detain someone and curtail their freedom is a very powerful action, and should be applied very carefully and only in cases where personal and public safety is at stake, such as threats of violence and incitement to riot/violence.

Holocaust denial and Nazi praise skirts the line on that, but in and of itself are not technically calls for violence until it gets into the territory of "we should do what they did".

Freedom of speech is a human right, and when establishing a liberty-centric framework of laws, I think we should err on the side of more freedoms, until it is absolutely clear that certain actions should be curtailed even further.

Two reasons worry me:

1) It being illegal to say certain thoughts will eventually lead to those thoughts disappearing, which

2) Creates a legal precedent for which any natural end is tyranny. For example, now nobody is thinking positively about the holocaust. What thinking needs to be ‘fixed’ next? It’s not the only historical tragedy, after all.

Where do you think this leads? Somewhere good?

I understand it's a slippery slope. If we send people to prison for praising Hitler, where does the line end? Sending people to re-education camps for having right wing thoughts and ideas (could absolutely see this being a real thing in the UK), which sounds like a dystopian nightmare.

However, can we really live in a functioning society where people are allowed to praise Hitler and his actions and deny the Holocaust ever happened, especially in this age of social media where fake news and false information are easily spread.

 

[gaming_again]

I think that is simply the cost of a free thinking society.

The UK feels stifling enough and we are nothing compared to China. I don’t want to see humanity living like that.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

The south park episode just should play the actual interview.

 

[akimbo009]

I think that is simply the cost of a free thinking society.

The UK feels stifling enough and we are nothing compared to China. I don’t want to see humanity living like that.

What is... people being expressing love for Nazis? I suppose, but like all things - fuck around, find out. I'd hope whether it's in law or not, that folks like that get totally ostracized from society and they no longer have a way to profit off their public persona (and we don't have to hear from them again).

 

[gaming_again]

‘Fuck around find out’ is not the best basis for setting laws. One day you might find yourself finding out about what you like to fuck with.

 

[darrylgorn]

I got this in my YT feed today as well lol

 

[akimbo009]

‘Fuck around find out’ is not the best basis for setting laws. One day you might find yourself finding out about what you like to fuck with.

I'm talking about Nazis - it's not that slippery of a slope.

 

[gaming_again]

I'm talking about Nazis - it's not that slippery of a slope.

It really is. It wouldn’t be called a slippery slope (pattern recognition) if it didn’t start from somewhere truly uncomfortable that 99% of people are happy to buy into. That’s the trick.

 

[Vestal]

It really is. It wouldn’t be called a slippery slope (pattern recognition) if it didn’t start from somewhere truly uncomfortable that 99% of people are happy to buy into. That’s the trick.

Wrong.

There are not many absolutes in this world.. Nazis being pure evil is one of them.. No shades of gray, this one is pure black or white.

 

[gaming_again]

Why do you think the ACLU argued for that Nazi march to go ahead?

 

[akimbo009]

Why do you think the ACLU argued for that Nazi march to go ahead?

I don't know what you're defending - but yes, there is freedom of speech, and yes - KKK and weird ass nazis can walk down the street in their LARPing outfits while the counter-protests outnumber them 10:1. Doesn't mean they should shit up other places in private spaces.

 

[gaming_again]

Okay, I’m done here. You are agreeing with me in principle but you can’t get past the word ‘Nazi’.

 

[akimbo009]

Okay, I’m done here. You are agreeing with me in principle but you can’t get past the word ‘Nazi’.

Yep. I won't.

 

[Toons]

Huge fan of this guys music. Some of his albums got helped me through really tough times.

But screw this guy. Cant bump him anymore. Won't support him or his work. He needs to be checked into a mental institution, and needs to have his internet access removed.

Hes detached from reality and the views hes expressed are abhorrent. Hes lost his mind.

 

[BadBurger]

We spent an entire year in world history class when I was in grade 10. Even had holocaust survivors come in and speak with us where we could ask questions, etc..

Hitler and the nazis were covered in my middle school, 8th grade, and in two different history classes in high school. If there is actually some public school system someplace in the US not teaching this it is news to me.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Hitler and the nazis were covered in my middle school, 8th grade, and in two different history classes in high school. If there is actually some public school system someplace in the US not teaching this it is news to me.

In high school and even before that, we had to watch videos of the Holocaust with all the victims. They pretty much drilled it into you to show the horrors of it.

 

[belmarduk]

Okay, I’m done here. You are agreeing with me in principle but you can’t get past the word ‘Nazi’.

Good.
The point you were trying to make was stupid.
Nobody is calling on Kanye West to be arrested for the things he said.
People just think he's an asshole.. and rightfully so!

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

So, what's the end of the line for this train?

What do you think.