LegendOfKage
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Yes, they were.
He started debating the thought IDKFA posted above, which I think confused some people. Many of you I don't think were discussing the same thing.
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R/Kanye subreddit turns into a holocaust awareness subreddit and that's fantastic
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Yes, they were.
He started debating the thought IDKFA posted above, which I think confused some people. Many of you I don't think were discussing the same thing.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I'll say one thing that has not made a lick of sense to me in this whole debacle...
Well, actually a couple of things...
Jews helped A LOT with the civil rights movement... So I'm not understanding where all the hate is coming from in some parts of the black community, in general, and Kanye, specifically... Especially since both our peoples have so much in common
And I will NEVER understand how a black man can EVER say he loves Nazis and admires Adolf Hitler... Especially when those people (especially now with Neo-Nazis) would have put him in the same type of concentration camps as they did the Jews or outright killed him AND his family and friends! It's disgusting!
Well, actually a couple of things...
Jews helped A LOT with the civil rights movement... So I'm not understanding where all the hate is coming from in some parts of the black community, in general, and Kanye, specifically... Especially since both our peoples have so much in common
And I will NEVER understand how a black man can EVER say he loves Nazis and admires Adolf Hitler... Especially when those people (especially now with Neo-Nazis) would have put him in the same type of concentration camps as they did the Jews or outright killed him AND his family and friends! It's disgusting!
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
A few people close to him have repeatedly said they expect suicide when he gets to the depression phase with equal intensity to the manic phase he's currently in.
Bragr
Banned
What blows my mind is how people dont know about what happened with communism in asia in the 21st century, that was as brutal and evil as the holocaust yet its absent from schools. Even communism in russia is not talked about that much.
Bragr
Banned
Well, in hiphop there has always been a lot of open race hate against jews because some jews owned/owns some major music organizations.
Ice Cube for example was a huge racist prick against jews and whites in general and always got away with it. No vaseline is filled with jew hate. No one cares. If he was white he would be done a long time ago.
Toons
Member
He just calls out that a jew was screwing them out of their money, which was absolutely what was happening.
I wouldn't go as far as to categorize that as "jew hate" but it certainly was off color. A lot of stuff considered offensive now was.
That being said a lot of record labels treated black artists of the time was commodities, and still do, and often tried to screw them out of money. It wasn't always owned by jews of course but it wasn't something that just happened once or twice, and it doesn't just happen in the music industry.
As a black guy, obviously antisemitism is awful perpetuation of race based mistreatment we already see so much of, but you'll find portions of the black community specifically from Gen X and possible earlier with a sentiment that jees own all the wealth or something or another and so for those INDIVDUALS they become a representative of the ongoing economic mistreatment of African Americans.
Its a very nuanced issue and its not right but that ship has probably sailed for the older part of that gen whive had to live through it.
Kanye has no excuse. Hes more privledged and rich than most ever will be and he has chosen this path. He absolutely has mental illness but he doesn't seek treatment.
murmulis
Member
If Kanye visits Europe after this he might actually be arrested for what he said. Countries like Austria and Germany take Holocaust denial very seriously and he could get multiple years in prison there.
akimbo009
Gold Member
Suicide for bipolar folks is actually triggered during mania thinking or during mixed mania episodes versus depressed thinking which lacks the inertia to make any decision.
It's unfortunate, but he's more likely to find other avenues to maintain his high (social, spending, drugs, etc) and when the crash happens he'll live with deep regret but keepl looking for a way to cycle back up - which rarer and rarer middles - until he eventually does kill himself or runs his life and economics into oblivion.
Edit: this is all true if he doesn't medicate or seek treatment. Someone with medically diagnosed mental health issues has many options to maintain stability and be rational/and be a good person - as good as anyone. Folks with bipolar disorder are as often good or bad people as anyone else. It's a matter of treatment, maintaining it, and having a support network (and being responsible for your actions at all times). Without that, he's toast, and he's making good people who do the right things look really bad.
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GnomeChimpsky
Member
Never underestimate Reddit's ability to turn something into a giant virtue signal.
Bragr
Banned
I am sorry, but I am allergic to the "as a black person" speech. You don't have to defend a black person that says or does anything racist as reasonable because of societal injustice. Ice Cube was a complete fucking scumbag and did scumbag bullshit all the time, the fucking idiot was profiting off the "west vs east" shit that got people killed and has 30 years of jew hate on his plate. Hell, it's like a year ago since he posted some anti-jew stuff on social media.
The music industry treats everyone as commodities, and the entire NWA got away with more shit than anyone ever should. They should be screwed out of their money, and probably should have been thrown in jail in the early 90s after their industrial women-beating practices. Some of those idiots got into business with fucking suge knight, jesus christ, that's fucking worse than being a racist. Those guys really deserve the worst and no one should defend them.
Toots
Gold Member
It is weird how much exposure he still has...
In France we had Dieudonné who was thoroughly ostracised by all medias for saying stuff not even half as bad as Ye, and it was effective. He was not able to reach much people after that and completely disappeared of the broader audience view...
Why is everybody talking about ye when we know he isn't taking his meds and so he says crazy shit.
Do american medias like despising people so much that they cannot stop talking about those who they despise ?
It is kind of the same with Musk and Trump, american medias cannot stop talking about how much they hate them...
edit : "they cannot" in place of "you cannot"
edit 2 : "disappeared" in place of "disappear" + tiresome meme
edit 3 (i'm such a dummy) : "who THEY despise"
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Scotty W
Banned
I was watching a holocaust tv show one time- something from Primo Levi I think, and a 20 something woman said it was boring. It turned out she was completely ignorant about the holocaust, despite having a very similar education to mine.
I have to wonder how long the Nazis will be able to be kept outside the circle of acceptability given worsening educational standards and our increasing distance from that historical context.
I have to wonder how long the Nazis will be able to be kept outside the circle of acceptability given worsening educational standards and our increasing distance from that historical context.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
I know a bipolar person and sadly he's abandoned any attempts at normalcy and all he wants to do is ride the mania. He uses a lot of excitant drugs to increase and prolong the mania and when he crashes he just shuts himself at home and stays bedridden doing nothing until mania upticks. Very sad story.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
I appreciate the thoughtful post. I'm not a mental health expert in any way, just googling stuff.
Bipolar Depression: The Lows We Don’t Talk About Enough
<p>Many people don’t fully understand the role of depression in bipolar disorder.</p>
www.nami.org
To me, it seems to make a lot more sense intuitively that suicide would be more strongly associated with depression, regret over ruining things during mania, feeling like there's no way out or no options or the damage can't be undone. Most people associate suicide with depression. But who knows, I don't have statistics or anything.
Ionian
Member
CometoEurope
akimbo009
Gold Member
I appreciate the thoughtful post. I'm not a mental health expert in any way, just googling stuff.
Bipolar Depression: The Lows We Don’t Talk About Enough
<p>Many people don’t fully understand the role of depression in bipolar disorder.</p>
To me, it seems to make a lot more sense intuitively that suicide would be more strongly associated with depression, regret over ruining things during mania, feeling like there's no way out or no options or the damage can't be undone. Most people associate suicide with depression. But who knows, I don't have statistics or anything.
I am married to someone with BP2. It's a hard to understand illness, and depressives episodes can trigger ideation but I'm generally more attuned to the risks in between states - that's when I find self harm or other destructive behaviors to most concerning. But everyone is different- no one is "a disorder" they are a person WITH a disorder.
Anyway - without treatment this will only end badly for all involved.
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EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
Kanye’s music use to be positive the draw back of his music today is it triggers people week by week. He’s too honest, I want Kanye from Chicago, protecting his family, doing work outside of college back.
PlayofSparta
Member
I don't get it. Does he even know how many Waffen-SS/Wehrmacht soldiers killed black civilians during and after Fall Gelb? The plans Hitler had for black people? Does he think the Holocaust was only for jews when it was for A LOT of people? Is he just plain stupid? Jesus.
Toons
Member
You didn't even read what I posted. I didnt even defend him. I said he was calling out that his group was getting money literally stolen/screwed from them by a jew. If you have a black manager and he steaks money from you by shorting your check and you make a song about it you aren't posting "black hate".
This has nothing to do with the article, and justifying theft because you don't like someone is an even worse look. That's all I'll say on the matter. Have some principles.
Tams
Member
Surely the harassment by the gutter 'entertainment' 'media' hasn't helped his mental state. That one couldn't even get a shot of him hitting his head, the useless div (as in, if you're going to be a cunt, at least do what you're there for).
Not to excuse the other things that have led Kanye, or whatever he's calling himself, to wherever he is.
Bragr
Banned
If a black manager was screwing me for money, I would not make songs calling him the n-word.
chromhound
Member
he made a new song lol...
PhoenixTank
Member
Kanye’s honorary doctorate has been rescinded.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kanye-west-degree-rescinded-school-of-the-art-institute-of-chicago/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kanye-west-degree-rescinded-school-of-the-art-institute-of-chicago/
SF Kosmo
Banned
There are reasons for the historically strained relationship between black and Jewish communities in American cities. None of this justifies anti-semitism but I do think it's important to understand where it comes from.
Background: Orthodox Jews don't use electricity or combustion engines on the sabbath, and they need to pray in groups, which essentially means they need to live in tightly-packed, walkable communities. And because of that, when they form new communities, they usually look for places that are low-cost, where they can buy up a lot of property -- in other words, they move into black and brown neighborhoods, quickly staking out and displacing entire blocks of families. And it's out of a need to adhere to Jewish law, but to the residents of these neighborhoods, it can look a lot like colonization.
And these communities are extremely insular. They're taught that they shouldn't socially interact with those outside the community -- something that applies to ALL outsiders, but which is often interpreted as racism and general rudeness by their black and brown neighbors. They have their own schools, businesses, restaurants, etc. I also think that because of this, these communities can legitimately be pretty poor citizens of the larger community as well, using their population to influence policy to take resources away from public schools or services that they don't use, which fosters resentment.
In New York, the Jewish community actually has their own pseudo-police "security" force that patrol and intervene in situations, despite no actual official authority and they have been involved in many many incidents that have been perceived as racist. This doesn't help.
They're also just highly visible for being so inscrutable from the outside. They stand out but people don't know or understand them well, and so people make shit up. I've even seen secular Jews do this.
Lastly, when they leave a neighborhood and migrate to a new one, they often maintain property and rent to the -- again mostly black and brown -- residents of the community, which perpetuates the stereotypes of Jews as slumlords or a privileged landlord class.
With all that said, Kanye's obviously on another level, outright praising hitler and what not. But I think a lot of people were still defending him until the Alex Jones interview because they subscribe to a lot of these anti-semitic tropes.
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Wiley, A UK rapper was banned off Twitter for anti-semantic remarks, and earlier this year we had Whoopi Goldberg telling us the Holocaust wasn't about race. I'm not sure if this is a recent thing or something that has always been overlooked, one of Micael Jacksons songs (They don't care about us) also had questionable lyrics.
Ionian
Member
Have never heard of him but how can you be so tone fucking deaf?
History books detail his disgusting hate.
Try read one? We learn this as CHILDREN in Europe. Oh you're from the UK?
Disgusting. Go back to school you idiot. We learned about all of this pre-pubescence.
I swear to God i'd have a field day on him if I met him in public or a pub.
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daveonezero
Banned
The US has codified the Right to Free speech into law. And yes that means bad and offensive opinions.
You can’t force people to say or learn anything. And you can’t compel people to associate or not associate with other people.
Are you saying you would kill him or beat him up? That makes sense. Use violence instead of words real progressive of you.
Also US schools are a joke and literally from Prussian models. If you knew anything beyond your schooling you’d know the IS school system is highly linked to the Nazis.
Ionian
Member
A low-rent rapper from the UK is hardly an authority.
Get a grip.
EDIT: The dudes a nobody, no one is stopping his right to speak. Stupid speak is as fair game to call out as his is. BOOM!
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BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
The fucking comments on that video
For real. I got through about five of them before I was like
LegendOfKage
Member
Jonah Hill was trending on twitter, and I wanted to see why. This isn't what I was expecting:
Toons
Member
The Pleasure
Member
Coconutt
Member
Klosshufvud
Member
That subreddit is killing me
BigDeadFreak
Member
I can't speak for the US and I appreciate that the racial dynamics over there are different to how they are in the UK. However, I see similar things happening in Britain where a lot of people from the Labour Party (our version of the Democrats) have been very anti-semitic recently.
I think the Jews present a problem for the modern left wing victim paradigm / oppression olympics way of seeing the world. They have clearly suffered immense persecution going back millennia and yet they are often disproportionately successful. This gives the left a problem - either they admit that if you get your own house in order you can be successful in life. Or, they double down on accusing successful groups of having unearned privilege that can only be redressed by taking them down.
Many left wing people cannot bring themselves to tell black people and working class whites that they are partly responsible for their predicament. If they reduced the numbers of absent fathers, behaved in a more fiscally responsible manner, obeyed the law and put more emphasis on family and education they would achieve far more in life.
On an interpersonal scale, left wing people know they would be ostracised from their group if they said these things. On a larger scale, they know they would alienate a lot of their voters by saying it.
As a result, they end up having to conclude that the Jews (much like straight white men) have unearned privilege which needs to be taken away from them.
There's clearly more to it than this so I'm not pretending to present a comprehensive picture. This is just something I've observed from my side of the pond.
daveonezero
Banned
critical race theory isn’t meant o be logical….
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
Does he have any good song? I admit I don’t know and never heard any of his songs.
HotSauceEnema
Member
Tons, his first 3 or 4 albums are damn near perfect. Guy is definitely talented but after life of Pablo he's gone extra kookoo and the talent doesn't seem to be there.
Toons
Member
He legitimately has at least 2 albums in the running for top 10 hip hop records of all time.
His debut album that he couldnt get signed for for years got nominated for 4 Grammys and sold millions of copies.
He is a musical genius, there is no denying his talent and skill for making infectious music.
Which makes it even more of a shame that he's a massive douchebag with sociopathic tendencies who takes no responsibility for his reach and influence. And to be fair, hes been known as a douche for a long time snd has been given many second chances. But praising nazis? That won't fly in most circles. Including my own.
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Grildon Tundy
Member
Kanye makes me think of the Kurt Vonnegut quote, "We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be."
Kanye talked about how nobody believed in him until he started talking about how he's the greatest. A God. It worked. I think he's playing a character, and it gets the results, fame/infamy that he wants.
Kanye talked about how nobody believed in him until he started talking about how he's the greatest. A God. It worked. I think he's playing a character, and it gets the results, fame/infamy that he wants.
LegendOfKage
Member
That's a great quote. I really do believe Kanye is bi-polar, though. Some of the ego might be a character or have started out that way, but I fully believe the man is mentally ill.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Hmm, could be, sparse background there.
