Yea, you have no right to tell someone they are overreacting. Nobody gets mad for the sake of their health.
Racist kids pissed me off today
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Yea, you have no right to tell someone they are overreacting. Nobody gets mad for the sake of their health.
People whom are saying the situation wasn't "racist" truly didn't read everything the OP typed. Cmon guys. It addresses and answers all of the "loop-holes" you're purposely trying to grasp at.
Sorry you had to endure that OP. I would be equally aggravated. Cultured-themed parties and intoxicated college(?) students are a bad mix.
Sorry you had to endure that OP. I would be equally aggravated. Cultured-themed parties and intoxicated college(?) students are a bad mix.
Gentleman Jack
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lol finally he reads the OP
You were a kid and they are adults and come on "Mexicans are dirty" is extremely racist and has nothing to do with ignorance.
Necromanti
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I'm sure most people today, regardless of skin color, would take issue with people dressing up in blackface.
you should have given them all discounts on the tequila that makes them barf.
ah racism defense force. "I've said racist things in the past, was I racist?" "Ah they don't have racism where they're from, they can't be racist. They just don't know better."
"Hey, Mexicans are pretty dirty. (Before bathing. We all are. See? Not racist, just fact.)"
ah racism defense force. "I've said racist things in the past, was I racist?" "Ah they don't have racism where they're from, they can't be racist. They just don't know better."
"Hey, Mexicans are pretty dirty. (Before bathing. We all are. See? Not racist, just fact.)"
twist: her fam is actually Salvadoran.
Dion Blaster
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And my best friend is a mexican!
la flama blanca
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The Queen of Mexico has spoken....apparently.
I'm Mexican I don't think he is overreacting. Maybe bring in your half-Mexican brother to tip the sides again?
breakfuss
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Yep my best friend, who has a little bit of Mexican in them, says the same.
Shamrock7r
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Did anyone in this thread actually say any of those?
I know right?
"I have friends that happen to be Mexican."
Ha.
This must be answered. If they didn't then they weren't even having a real Mexican party.
yup.
So she's fine with being labeled as dirty? Or did you somehow conveniently forget to mention that part to her?
Everyone dress dress as swedes and every time someone assumes you're Swedish correct them by saying you're Norwegian.
Aside from the last one, yes?
I think part of the problem is that I am guessing few Americans would really be offended by a group of, say, Canadians, throwing an American party where everyone wore fat suits, wife beaters, drank Budweiser, ate hamburgers, waved American flags and acted dumb.
It is an empathy problem.
It is an empathy problem.
As a mexican...I dont mind people wearing sombreros, and what not but engaging in negative stereotypes to represent Mexicans as dirty is fuckin offensive.
Anyways, doesn't seem like most GAF finds the "dirt" comment offensive because I think they have little experience in interacting with my people, and our culture. Just because african americans get treated like shit, doesn't mean that us mexicans dont. We, blacks and mexicans, experience the same shit everyday. Its not just a white and black issue but a brown issue too.
Anyways, doesn't seem like most GAF finds the "dirt" comment offensive because I think they have little experience in interacting with my people, and our culture. Just because african americans get treated like shit, doesn't mean that us mexicans dont. We, blacks and mexicans, experience the same shit everyday. Its not just a white and black issue but a brown issue too.
The situation isn't quite the same. It's easier to have unknowingly met Mexicans than to have unknowingly met black people (though you reference tribal music, the rest are African American stereotypes). But if we assume a world where this hypothetical happens out of ignorance, while the stereotypes being used are racist, the people are not. Of course, both situations are inappropriate.
While only having stereotypical knowledge of a culture or race perhaps indicates a societal failure to educate, or indicates the continued success of racist views, I certainly believe that a person can say racist things without being a racist.
I wasn't there. It's one thing to say "dirty Mexicans," another to simply state "Mexicans are dirty." I believe that such a statement could be made in ignorance, by someone who's clueless. If the OP provided context or more detail that refuted their being ignorant, then I would concede the point.
While I love the occasional outrage circle-jerk as well as the next guy, I find myself being the killjoy this time. There is only so much time in life, yet many people spend it deciding to be mad for reasons that aren't their own. To adopt anger or outrage on oneself as a stand-in for society or political correctness is a big burden to take on, and a lot of energy to expend for no purpose but feeding one's own negativity. College kids do stupid things all the time. Many of them are far more dangerous to themselves and others than what the OP, whose job it is to sell them alcohol, describes. Like, chill out, guys. While I can't tell the OP how to feel, the OP is able to choose how he feels. On another day where he wasn't already in a bad mood, he, or another in his place might have laughed the situation off. Since the OP's bad mood only effects himself, I would argue that letting it go would have been better for him than letting it worsen his mood further. But we're heading into psychology talk now... I understand that working at a liquor store might involve being around unsavory people at times, I would think that taking a laisez-faire approach to these people would help keep the job from getting the OP down.
Take issue or not, where one culture sees racism, another might see tradition, or no racism. Even with black face.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet
Oy, you guys are all the winners in this engagement for making me spend the time to write all this. I'm off to watch a movie.
As a Norwegian who have a Norwegian mother and a Brazilian father I am really not surprised, I can't begin to tell you the shit I have had to go through in this country (Norway) during my upbringing.
The Norwegians you met probably did honestly believe that this was just good fun without thinking how hurtful this could be.
I even got a hassled by my gym teacher on several occasions because I sucked at soccer, because he felt that me being half Brazilian would make me an awesome soccer player.
So yeah the lack of understanding and even sometimes refusal to understand other cultures is pretty common in this country.
The Norwegians you met probably did honestly believe that this was just good fun without thinking how hurtful this could be.
I even got a hassled by my gym teacher on several occasions because I sucked at soccer, because he felt that me being half Brazilian would make me an awesome soccer player.
So yeah the lack of understanding and even sometimes refusal to understand other cultures is pretty common in this country.
Devolution
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I love when the conversation is about whether or not something is in fact racist. That's the important part here. Whether it's crossed that line not their bullshit.
I don't think anyone found the dirty nonsense inoffensive. There are however people in here trying to excuse it as "ignorance" which is ridiculous.
As far as people marginalizing the shit Mexicans experience. This nonsense happens in every thread that has anything to do with racism against blacks.
You have a bunch of people who are probably not black telling black people what is or isn't offensive. So as a blackman I welcome you to the shitshow that is race discussion on GAF.
It's innappropriate, and bullshit. Now what? Is there anywhere to go from there? We all know it's not appropriate, at least. So, what's the next step?
Devolution
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I'll just never understand why we have to shy away from the "R" word so bad in these threads. What happened sounds pretty racist to me. Who was hurt by me saying that?
"Dirty Mexicans" and "Mexicans are dirty" are both racist statements.
Devolution
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Racists have feelings too you know. You can't just call racism what it is.
You mean that thing that many think is racist and causes a shitstorm and has been talked about here multiple times and found to be racist?
You forgot "the people complaining about this are the real racist!" or "Quit playing the race card."
All of these statements are tools of the modern day racist used to stifle discussion about race.
According to this guy, they're "ignorant" not racist.
I am curious what someone would have to do to be considered racist by him.
Angelus Errare made a sarcastic post on this.
It's weird seeing someone act like this and be dead serious..
It doesn't sound like you understand how someone could be genuinely offended at their culture being simplified to a sombrero, mustache, or a poncho. Or being called dirty. That is all I can gather from you marginalizing people being offended with words like "circle-jerk" and "political correctness." Or simply attributing this outrage to "mood." I can guarantee you that someone getting pissed at racist acts (or culturally insensitive acts, if the R word is too strong for your liking) know not to get worked-up all the time. You learn that real fast when dumb acts like this are rationalized or defended time and time again. Getting outraged may not get anything done to fix the problem, but at least it gets us discussing the issue. Much better than taking a laissez-faire approach and maintaining the status quo. Especially since this thread and many others on GAF about race/ethnicity/gender shows we have a long way to go.
Devolution
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Um excuse me could we maybe bump this down to simple white ignorance and call it a day because the "R" word makes Fillmore cry.
JupitersClock
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Neogaf - Everything is always racist.
Atraveller
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Neogaf - Everything has a defense force.
Chairmanchuck
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Chie Satonaka
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I just want to be clear.
Are you two okay with the whole "dirty" statement, or are you just ignoring it so you can pretend that there's no reason to be offended by this?
JupitersClock
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Actually agree with you, im just a little tired of these constant "is this racist" threads.
Atraveller
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OP made it clear from the start that this is racist, somehow there are people who disagree.
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