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[KalBalboa]

Every year I go to Salem, MA for halloween. Every year I see a handful of frat douchebags in sombreros, fake mustaches, dirt, and ponchos being loud and drunk in their costumes.

Last year I actually was sat next to one in a restaurant with some friends. Before our asses hit seats we requested to be sat elsewhere specifically because of the dicks in sombreros. I was irritated enough to articulate, out loud "I just really don't want to sit next to these guys" to the waitress. Two of them noticed what I had said, looked at us with a little bit of confusion, and continued to eat.

It's dumb, tasteless, and, yeah, racist.

 

[Arde5643]

Whoop, whoop, white people gotta be white.

 

[DedValve]

lol

Or just respond with that =/

While I agree his post was stupid, as I said earlier in the thread, I'm from South Texas, and there were always a couple of Mexican themed parties around here that I knew about each year, often times hosted by those of Mexican descent.

There's nothing wrong with what you just said unless they where putting dirt in their faces because mexicans are dirty or some other insult that is completely not true or stereotypical (such as muslim terrorist).

 

[Madness]

jesus your just as worst as those dismissing this as not racist.

Americans would probably be the last people to do something like this given how many of the population is of Mexican descent.

No he's not. And is this another #racismhasended post? Hell, we just had a party thrown at a frat in Arizona State, I think, during Black History Month in celebration of MLK Jr. where they wore XXL basketball jerseys, had pants below their hips, drank out of watermelon cups, flashing gang signs as if that signified black history/culture. And this was in America, the country with the largest black population in the western/white world, and one with a historical/troubled history with black people. So no, not necessarily, Americans would not necessarily be the last, simply because they have a sizeable Hispanic population.

 

[Ravensmash]

Its not racist because afaik there is no Mexican race but it is very bigoted. Also the hats and ponchos with drinks would be fine if it were to be a party that had actual basis in the culture.. say Cinco or something.. but to throw a "Mexican Party?" It sounds like the whole affair is geared to belittle and is in extremely bad taste.

I disagree that it's geared to belittle. It's a generalisation for sure, but that's not always inherently hateful or set to denigrate.

Is it bad taste to dress up as an American by wearing a cowboy hat?

 

[The Adder]

I can't tell whether people actually think the "Mexicans are dirty" line isn't racist (a little too far, inappropriate, etc. being the ambiguous statements in vogue), or if they're just not reading the OP properly and defaulting straight to the good old fashioned 'do we really have to correctly label racist things as racist when it's just so uncomfortable' position.

Yes.

 

[Shamrock7r]

There's nothing wrong with what you just said unless they where putting dirt in their faces because mexicans are dirty or some other insult that is completely not true or stereotypical (such as muslim terrorist).

I thought you were just talking about Mexican themed parties in general. My mistake.

 

[DedValve]

No he's not. And is this another #racismhasended post? Hell, we just had a party thrown at a frat in Arizona State, I think, during Black History Month in celebration of MLK Jr. where they were XXL jerseys, had pants below their hips, drank out of watermelon cups, flashing gang signs as if that signified black history/culture. And this was in America, the country with the largest black population in the western/white world, and one with a historical/troubled history with black people. So no, not necessarily, Americans would not necessarily be the last, simply because they have a sizeable Hispanic population.

Where did you get that I said racism ended? Of course Americans can be racist especially further south you go but claiming that the people where american when the OP clearly stated their ethnicity as norwegian is just as bad. America is also more culturally diverse which means odds are you'll find less racism, not more.

 

[Vicetrailia]

"because mexicans are dirty"

That comment is racist.

Sorry you had to deal with that shit OP, would make my blood boil too.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Or just respond with that =/

I'm pretty sure Americans have done the same thing. I remember some college students dressing up as Mexicans.

 

[DedValve]

I'm pretty sure Americans have done the same thing. I remember some college students dressing up as Mexicans.

Again, not bad unless they had dirt on their faces intentionally because mexicans are dirty or something similar. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with ponchos or sombreros, it's not used anymore but it's still part of mexican culture.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

Growing up in South Texas, you'd be surprised at how many Mexicans/Hispanics throw Mexican themed parties.

Do they have dirty faces because, you know, they're Mexican?

 

[Shamrock7r]

Do they have dirty faces because, you know, they're Mexican?

Not that I know of. I've only attended one and it was strictly clothing, food, and music.

 

[Infinite]

I'm surprised there's a "is this racist" meta discussion going on especially with the way OP is written.

 

[Arde5643]

I'm surprised there's a "is this racist" meta discussion going on especially with the way OP is written.

Racists gotta be racist, man.

 

[Harpuia]

Just two days ago, one of my coworkers who is cool as hell made a joke about mexicans. Me being mexican, I found it hilarious! However, the dirt part is kind of...going too far.

I'd think the term "dirty Mexican" was highly offensive stereotyping, rather than racism, but that's just semantics, (because Mexican isn't a race). Either way, not an appropriate term to use.

You know, I don't post frequently, but I went through the thread and no one addressed this. I don't know about you buuuuuut in my opinion, "highly offensive stereotyping" sounds an awful lot like racism!

Actually this whole post is just bad all around.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Again, not bad unless they had dirt on their faces intentionally because mexicans are dirty or something similar. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with ponchos or sombreros, it's not used anymore but it's still part of mexican culture.

I look at it like they are mocking their culture.

 

[DedValve]

I look at it like they are mocking their culture.

It's hard to say without any context which you didn't give. The OP gave a lot of context so it was easy to define that as racist. Saying "he's wearing a sombreror thats racist" says nothing really (I'm paraphrasing).

 

[Deleted member 1235]

The dirt was taking it a bit far. The Mexican stereotype type seems almost acceptable in modern and popular culture, though, doesn't mean it's right but eh, Europeans probably wouldn't know any better.

Is sombreros And tequila even racist?! Where did they buy those racist hats and racist coronas?
The dirty faces thing is pretty racist but the rest... It's a theme party and a pretty harmless theme

 

[besada]

Is it bad taste to dress up as an American by wearing a cowboy hat?

We'll, it's stupid to dress up as an American by wearing a cowboy hat, but I suspect the bad taste element would be lost by the average American's confusion over why you would think Americans wore cowboy hats, since it's not 1890, and America is not the Old West.

 

[Retro_]

Holy Shit this thread has made me so fucking mad. Thread title might as well be describing the people in the thread

Eh whatever its actually a fun theme for a party. Sombreros, tequila and fake mustaches. You know when those people told you its all in good fun they probably meant it.

Everything i racist these days jesus

I'm finding it near impossible to be offended. If a group of people from another race had a "white people" party I would not be offended at all. Everyone is wound up too tight.

Specifically posts like this.

Arrogant fucking white people who can't see passed their goddamn noses telling everyone to fucking lighten up. "it's all in good fun"

Entire thread derailed to defend their right to have "fun" racist theme parties, acting like calling someone racist is worse than actually exhibiting racism.(hint: this party is absolutely racist. Every single part of it)

Get a fucking clue neogaf.

 

[Yaboosh]

We'll, it's stupid to dress up as an American by wearing a cowboy hat, but I suspect the bad taste element would be lost by the average American's confusion over why you would think Americans wore cowboy hats, since it's not 1890, and America is not the Old West.

You have never been to Texas have you? Or Arizona, or New Mexico, or California, or Oklahoma, or Kansas, or Colorado, or Georgia, or Florida, or Alabama, or Mississippi, or Tennessee, or South Carolina, or North Carolina, or Nebraska.

I assure you lots and lots of Americans wear cowboy hats. Mostly rural folk outside of the south, but it is also general wear in lots of places.


But of course wearing a cowboy hat is not the same as dirt on the face. And even if it were as negative a stereotype as dirt on the face, many still wouldn't be offended but that still isn't the point.

 

[Shamrock7r]

Holy Shit this thread has made me so fucking mad. Thread title might as well be describing the people in the thread





Specifically posts like this.

Arrogant fucking white people who can't see passed their goddamn noses telling everyone to fucking lighten up. "it's all in good fun"

Entire thread derailed to defend their right to have racist theme parties, acting like calling someone racist is worse than actually exhibiting racism.(hint: this party is absolutely racist. Every single part of it)

Get a fucking clue neogaf.

Um.... wow

 

[Infinite]

Um.... wow

He's not at all wrong. Thread is shameful just a bunch of people going through mental gymnastic to defend something that is obviously racists.

 

[Retro_]

Is it bad taste to dress up as an American by wearing a cowboy hat?

Americans are not a marginalized group in America(or anywhere on earth)

So no.

 

[besada]

You have never been to Texas have you? Or Arizona, or New Mexico, or California, or Oklahoma, or Kansas, or Colorado, or Georgia, or Florida, or Alabama, or Mississippi, or Tennessee, or South Carolina, or North Carolina, or Nebraska.

I assure you lots and lots of Americans wear cowboy hats. Mostly rural folk outside of the south, but it is also general wear in lots of places.

Actually, I was born, grew up, and live in Texas, where the vast majority of people do not wear cowboy hats. Would you like to tell me more about my culture?

 

[water_wendi]

I disagree that it's geared to belittle. It's a generalisation for sure, but that's not always inherently hateful or set to denigrate.

Like i said.. "it sounds like."

Is it bad taste to dress up as an American by wearing a cowboy hat?

No but the attire alone isnt enough to pass judgement.

 

[Arde5643]

Um.... wow

Besides the harsh language, he's pretty much right - but who cares about fucking racists' feelings anyway?

 

[railGUN]

You know, I don't post frequently, but I went through the thread and no one addressed this. I don't know about you buuuuuut in my opinion, "highly offensive stereotyping" sounds an awful lot like racism!

Actually this whole post is just bad all around.

I was just pointing out that Mexican isn't a race, and therefore, doesn't really fit the textbook definition of the word racism. Maybe I'm wrong?

Either way, I said it was highly offensive.

 

[Camp Lo]

Actually, I was born, grew up, and live in Texas, where the vast majority of people do not wear cowboy hats. Would you like to tell me more about my culture?

I'd say the same about Florida. Majority most certainly do not wear cowboy hats here. That humidity would eat their ass up.

 

[Linkark07]

Some of them even had dirt on their face. I asked a girl why and she responding by saying "because Mexicans are dirty!" Like WHAAAT THEEE FUUUUUCK?????

That's the part that actually annoyed me. That's quite racist if you ask me.

 

[Shamrock7r]

We'll, it's stupid to dress up as an American by wearing a cowboy hat, but I suspect the bad taste element would be lost by the average American's confusion over why you would think Americans wore cowboy hats, since it's not 1890, and America is not the Old West.

You'd be surprised.
Cowboy hats are alive and well where I live. In fact, I am a groomsmen for an upcoming wedding at the dress for us is a cowboy hat, vest, and boots, which I own none of and are quite expensive =/ But again, it's pretty normal attire over here for social events like weddings and parties. Not really every day attire though.

He's not at all wrong. Thread is shameful just a bunch of people going through mental gymnastic to defend something that is obviously racists.

I disagree. Not everyone who has been defending this in the thread is white, and his post directly contradicts his stance on racism and stereotyping. I guarantee that if you take out "white" and put another race in there he would be ridiculed and quickly banned.

I just don't think we can have posts like that allowed on here if there is going to be a serious discussion on the matter.

 

[Yaboosh]

Actually, I was born, grew up, and live in Texas, where the vast majority of people do not wear cowboy hats. Would you like to tell me more about my culture?

Sure. I would like to tell you that tons of Americans still wear cowboy hats even though it isn't 1890 or the Wild West.

Rural areas are full of them, and honky tonks, and state/county fairs, and rodeos, and farms etc.

 

[Retro_]

Um.... wow

I love how in a thread about people throwing dirt on their faces and dressing up as a tacos for a "Mexican party", someone has a strong reaction to me calling someone who identified themselves as a white person a white person pretty quickly.

If we're gonna talk about race let's talk about race. One of the most annoying mentalities to deal with in these topics is white people viewing racism from the perspective of being white and deciding that it's not really a problem for anyone because it's not for them. I don't get offended by white stereotypes so why do other races get so uptight about theirs? IT'S THE SAME THING RIGHT.

No dude. It's not the same at all. Please, every white person who has ever had a similar thought, please stop trying to dictate how we react to racism and stereotypes from the perspective of someone who's never had to really deal with racism or dehumanizing stereotypes. Please.

It's probably the most arrogant, unintelligent thing you can possibly do.

 

[Cromat]

I don't think non-Mexicans having a Mexican-themed party (in terms of food, beverages, music etc) is bad but the 'dirty' part really seals it on this one.

 

[PKrockin]

Actually, I was born, grew up, and live in Texas, where the vast majority of people do not wear cowboy hats. Would you like to tell me more about my culture?

Same goes for the Phoenix Metro area in Arizona--cowboy hats are still rare there. I did see them on somewhat rare occasions, like at public events, gun shows, more rural areas, etc., but they're far from a typical thing to wear for 95%+ of people.

 

[besada]

Sure. I would like to tell you that tons of Americans still wear cowboy hats even though it isn't 1890 or the Wild West.

Rural areas are full of them, and honky tonks, and state/county fairs, and rodeos, and farms etc.

As long as you can accept that "tons" equals a tiny fraction of the American whole, then sure some people wear cowboy hats. Tons of Americans also wear turbans and yarmulkes, but if you threw an "American" party and wore just one of these, it would be equally silly. If you can't figure out that describing an entire culture by condensing it down to one image is offensive to some people, then I don't know how I can help you.

 

[FortuneFaded]

I love how in a thread about people throwing dirt on their faces and dressing up as a tacos for a "Mexican party", someone has a strong reaction to me calling someone who identified themselves as a white person a white person pretty quickly.

Only one of the people you quoted identified themselves as white. Nothing Raiden said identicated that he/she was white. Why did you think that Raiden was white? Or for that matter, nothing in the OP suggested that the people in the store were white either.

 

[Shamrock7r]

I love how in a thread about people throwing dirt on their faces and dressing up as a tacos for a "Mexican party", someone has a strong reaction to me calling someone who identified themselves as a white person a white person pretty quickly.

If we're gonna talk about race let's talk about race. One of the most annoying mentalities to deal with in these topics is white people viewing racism from the perspective of being white and deciding that it's not really a problem. I don't get offended by white stereotypes so why do other races get so uptight about theirs? IT'S THE SAME THING RIGHT.

No dude. It's not the same at all. Please, every white person who has ever had a similar thought, please stop trying to dictate how we react to racism and stereotypes from the perspective of someone who's never had to really deal with racism or dehumanizing stereotypes. Please.

It's probably the most arrogant, unintelligent thing you can possibly do.

You don't see the hypocrisy there?

I am not arguing your point about the party, but your post directly contradicts the point you were trying to make by generalizing and using a hateful tone specifically towards white people.

I mean seriously, I switch the word "white" to "black" and...

Arrogant fucking black people who can't see passed their goddamn noses telling everyone to fucking lighten up.

you are going to tell me that is fine?

 

[Ovek]

Are you sure they weren't just celebrating the proud culture and heritage of there fellow Mexican students?

 

[Ravensmash]

We'll, it's stupid to dress up as an American by wearing a cowboy hat, but I suspect the bad taste element would be lost by the average American's confusion over why you would think Americans wore cowboy hats, since it's not 1890, and America is not the Old West.

Well it's an outside observance - things like this aren't typically centred around hard factual evidence.

The cowboy hat can be used as a stereotypical item of clothing, much like the sombrero has been used in OP's example.

 

[Kreed]

Um.... wow

Yeah that was a bit much, those posts may be arrogant but this is GAF so we shouldn't assume the posters are having sex with anyone, white people or otherwise.

 

[JABEE]

Just in time for St. Patrick's Day.

Why are there so many colleges "celebrating" Mexican culture this weekend? I thought colleges usually save their racist caricature parties for Cinco De Mayo. What's going on this week?

 

[Thorakai]

Again, not bad unless they had dirt on their faces intentionally because mexicans are dirty or something similar. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with ponchos or sombreros, it's not used anymore but it's still part of mexican culture.

It is a bit naive to think Americans are not incapable of things like this. There was one party that actually had signs that read "Will mow lawn for weed + beer" in Penn State. I'm pretty sure smoking weed isn't part of our culture, some people in this thread addressed that ponchos aren't really a part of our culture either. I can guarantee you mustaches aren't an essential part of our culture. Sure, sombreros are still used. But I hope you can understand how someone can feel bad that their culture has been relegated to a few bullet points, with only one barely illustrating the reality of Mexicans.

 

[Infinite]

disagree. Not everyone who has been defending this in the thread is white, and his post directly contradicts his stance on racism and stereotyping. I guarantee that if you take out "white" and put another race in there he would be ridiculed and quickly banned.

I just don't think we can have posts like that allowed on here if there is going to be a serious discussion on the matter.

Nothing was wrong with what he said. If people are honestly going to say "if they threw a white themed party instead no one would be mad" then that's fucking arrogant brah. You ironically proved his point too

 

[Shamrock7r]

Nothing was wrong with what he said. If people are honestly going to say "if they threw a white themed party instead no one would be mad" then that's fucking arrogant brah. You ironically proved his point too

Please tell how did I prove his point? Again, not everyone on here defending the party is white. In fact, some have said they were Mexican, so him generalizing everyone as "fucking arrogant white people" to me shows he has a bias and a prejudice.

I will ask you the same thing, would you have a problem with this sentence?

Arrogant fucking black people who can't see passed their goddamn noses telling everyone to fucking lighten up.

I think if we just removed that kind of talk from threads like this, the conversation would be a little less heated, and maybe see some progression.

 

[rooflapimp]

I love how in a thread about people throwing dirt on their faces and dressing up as a tacos for a "Mexican party", someone has a strong reaction to me calling someone who identified themselves as a white person a white person pretty quickly.

If we're gonna talk about race let's talk about race. One of the most annoying mentalities to deal with in these topics is white people viewing racism from the perspective of being white and deciding that it's not really a problem for anyone because it's not for them. I don't get offended by white stereotypes so why do other races get so uptight about theirs? IT'S THE SAME THING RIGHT.

No dude. It's not the same at all. Please, every white person who has ever had a similar thought, please stop trying to dictate how we react to racism and stereotypes from the perspective of someone who's never had to really deal with racism or dehumanizing stereotypes. Please.

It's probably the most arrogant, unintelligent thing you can possibly do.

This is fucking stupid, and just shows how ignorant you are. In many areas of the world, the majority of people aren't white, believe it or not. So yes, white people can experience racism as well. I have lived many years in Asian countries, so I would know.

Having said that, I think people are way too sensitive these days.

 

[breakfuss]

Only one of the people you quoted identified themselves as white. Nothing Raiden said identicated that he/she was white. Why did you think that Raiden was white? Or for that matter, nothing in the OP suggested that the people in the store were white either.

Yes, because it's fairly common to see minorities participating in and/or defending tasteless acts of cultural appropriation.

 

[Edwardo]

Why do you let it bother you and not just laugh at them for being stupid?

 

[Infinite]

Please tell how did I prove his point? Again, not everyone on here defending the party is white. In fact, some have said they were Mexican, so him generalizing everyone as "fucking arrogant white people" to me shows he has a bias and a prejudice.

I will ask you the same thing, would you have a problem with this sentence?



I think if we just removed that kind of talk from threads like this, the conversation would be a little less heated, and maybe see some progression.

This thread isn't getting any where because of posts like this. This is what I mean by mental gymnastics. Threads like this will always be "heated" especially when people post crap like "I don't see why this is racists if this was a white people party I wouldn't have a problem". Comments like that not only demonstrates ones own ignorance but it arrogantly dismisses the experiences of others as well as holds ones own world view ahead of them. It's not conducive to any kind of discussion. The fact that you're hung up on him saying "arrogant white people" says a lot.