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RAGE |OT| "It's done when it's done"
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plagiarize
Banned
i really wish i could bring spider bots between levels. and i really wish i could take a spider bot through mutant tv with me.
not cause i can't hang without them, i can, but because i hate having to euthanise the poor bastards. if you saw how mad i get when an enemy kills one of my friends you'd get what i mean.
it's like, buddy, i could leave you here in these sewers forever, or i can pull out this ordance pack and at least recycle some of you into a new friend.
if they aren't dead you should be able to put them back in your inventory
to the spider-bot that died alone because i didn't know he couldn't follow me into the first mutant bash arena, and who got trapped behind the closed door.
this one's for you buddy.
pours one out.
*sniff*
not cause i can't hang without them, i can, but because i hate having to euthanise the poor bastards. if you saw how mad i get when an enemy kills one of my friends you'd get what i mean.
it's like, buddy, i could leave you here in these sewers forever, or i can pull out this ordance pack and at least recycle some of you into a new friend.
if they aren't dead you should be able to put them back in your inventory
to the spider-bot that died alone because i didn't know he couldn't follow me into the first mutant bash arena, and who got trapped behind the closed door.
this one's for you buddy.
pours one out.
*sniff*
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Just got this yesterday and I;m really enjoying it so far.
Guts Of Thor
Thorax of Odin
Only a few hours in but I am liking what I've played.
One question I have is is it even worth to drive around to explore or should I just go from one point to the other? Is the world that open?
One question I have is is it even worth to drive around to explore or should I just go from one point to the other? Is the world that open?
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
I have to say the graphics are really growing on me. The mega texturing really works in creating a real organic diverse realistic world. The first time I entered Wellsprings, my jaw dropped. You know when a dev shows some amazing concept art of a level and then you actually get to play the level it's just a pared down version of the concept art. Well, in this game it actually looks like the original concept art.
I think graphically, it's the best looking game I've ever played. Stunning really.
I think graphically, it's the best looking game I've ever played. Stunning really.
plagiarize
Banned
eh. is it though? i don't think the reviews of this have been anything like as rough as what Alice got earlier this year. that's really the only time i can think of when it seemed like everyone on GAF who gave the game a chance thought it was much better than the reviews suggested, aside from a couple of people that agreed with them.Gravijah said:
Rage does have most of the faults that reviewers are pointing out. it's more an issue with the scoring system that a fault is seen as something that HAS to be subtracted from the score.
Rage's faults are completely irrelevant to me when I'm playing it, because it's damn fun. i wasn't hyped for the game. i was expecting it to be a solid 8 if you will, but it's drawn me right in. I don't normally go 'oh shit is that the time' even on games I love (and would rate higher than Rage) but that happened to me last night and i'm paying the price for it today.
Is Rage flawed? Sure. Was the launch on PC a clusterfuck? Absolutely. Is the second hub a bit uninspired compared to the first? Uhuh. Is the world not really that open? Yep. Is the lighting a step back from ID Tech 4? Sure seems that way. Is there a lot of back tracking to and fro? Yeah, espescially at the start before the first wasteland fully opens up.
Does any of that really matter when the minute to minute gameplay is so fucking good? Not to me.
But if I was writing a review, I'd probably waffle on about all that too.
CitizenCope
Member
Is the Anarchy edition the regular edition? I didn't pre order and paid $59.99. Did they hand me something I wasn't supposed to get?
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
All first run copies are anarchy. Which is good, because you get the fists of rage, which are fucking RIDICULOUS.CitizenCope said:
People like Jeff Cannata and Brad Shoemaker love the game. That's all I care about.Gravijah said:
CitizenCope
Member
Ok thanks.
Turrets useless.
Sentry Bots incredibly awesome.
Turrets useless.
Sentry Bots incredibly awesome.
Refreshment.01
Member
Derivative or unoriginal gameplay don't go well with some reviewers.Wallach said:
Regarding Rage, isn't what Rage is doing? Employing very superficial RPG elements.
Sorry im not following, could you be more specific.Wallach said:
Refreshment.01
Member
Systems that are typically featured on RPG's. Looting, crafting, upgrading, character enhancing, optional quests. Of course handled very superficially in the game.Wallach said:
I asked in the edit, but what you mean here?Wallach said:
What are those games that "hide behind RPG tropes"?Wallach said:
No, that's pretty much it. But some parts are better than others so maybe you'll enjoy what's to come a bit more.T Primex said:
I'm only about five hours in and been doing a lot of the races mostly in Wellspring but does this game get anymore varied. I went into it think it would be up there with my GOTY LA Noire and Gears 3 but for me it's no where close to being GOTY. Maybe I was just a little hyped. I'm still digging it a lot don't get me wrong. It's very gamey/shootery and I like it as a bite sized game, an hour or so a night. It also has me on the edge of my seat with it's combat and atmosphere but the main missions I've played are all pretty the same. Enter dungeon, kill gang, leave dungeon. All the enemy AI seem to do the same thing over and over. Guys will guns will pop and duck over and over and melee enemies just rush you, once you get it down to one or two guys they'll retreat further into the dungeon.
So does it get more varied later on?
So does it get more varied later on?
Neuromancer
Member
Yes. Some people are more concerned with pigeon holing it and comparing it to every other game instead of judging it on its merits.Gravijah said:
Did anyone else picking up the Anarchy Edition also get the Collector's Pack thing too? Not seen anyone mention that here.
For me it was a bit of a no brainer, since the extra weapons AND the Collector's Pack added up to only £2 more than the standard edition. It has a comic with a reasonably interesting story, which fills in a bit of background detail about what the Authority might be getting up to. And a Making of DVD, which I've not seen yet but will probably watch once I've finished the game.
For me it was a bit of a no brainer, since the extra weapons AND the Collector's Pack added up to only £2 more than the standard edition. It has a comic with a reasonably interesting story, which fills in a bit of background detail about what the Authority might be getting up to. And a Making of DVD, which I've not seen yet but will probably watch once I've finished the game.
Refreshment.01 said:
I don't consider a lot of these things RPG elements. Looting, crafting and upgrades are things that don't really tie back specifically to RPGs. Wolfenstein 3-D had about as much looting as this game does.
Two games that come to mind immediately are Mass Effect and Fallout 3. Both of them scored around ~90 Metacritic average and both of them enormous gameplay problems that were largely ignored just because they were called RPGs.
As far as unoriginal gameplay, let's use Bioshock as an example since you brought it up earlier. That game doesn't do anything new from a gameplay perspective whatsoever. 96 metacritic average. Reviewers don't care.
Fallout 3, Mass Effect and Deus Ex have terrible shooting mechanics and feel, but that's OK because "they're RPGs." They are unfair excuses, like "It looks OK...for a Wii game" is an excuse for a shitty looking game, or "It's relatively bug free...for an open world game" is an excuse for a really buggy, janky game.Refreshment.01 said:
Refreshment.01
Member
Not much of a good counter argument. I cited a group of elements (Looting, crafting, upgrading, character enhancing, optional quests) that are associated to RPG's that are present on Rage. You replayed centering just on one.Wallach said:
Thanks for citing the games, it's more clear now what you are trying to say.Wallach said:
This is really interesting. Will you please answer me the following question with a straight answer.Wallach said:
Why would Bioshock a game from a lesser known studio than id, with a lot smaller marketing campaign get superior ratings and more critical acclaim than Rage then?
CitizenCope
Member
What's the best way to make money including abusing the save system?
Once I'm finished with my normal run I want to try it on the hardest difficulty but I want to build an army of advanced sentry bots.
Once I'm finished with my normal run I want to try it on the hardest difficulty but I want to build an army of advanced sentry bots.
DaBuddaDa said:
I don't see why it's unfair. They're setting out to be RPGs first and have many more important and complex things to work on besides shooting people. We're slowly getting to even ground but I always expect RPGs to work on the RPG side first, otherwise we end up with games like ME2.
I can't say I ever had a problem with money. In fact, just before I went to Capital Prime (which is where I am about to pick up from in a few minutes to finish the game) I blew $6000 on BFG ammo knowing that I wouldn't need money any more. I am going to BFG every last fucker in Capital Prime.
How to make money? Kill bandit cars, do sidequests, do minigames, loot bodies. Pretty standard stuff, really.
How to make money? Kill bandit cars, do sidequests, do minigames, loot bodies. Pretty standard stuff, really.
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
I think some people are just down on it and have been from the beginning. Everything from those people about the game is jaded and cynical, the best they can do is backhanded compliments.
I look at the quest system, the hub system as a more creative way to add context to a traditional shooter. Some have observed its very Zelda like in how the game world works.
When an action fighting game like Darksiders uses that formula to round out its design the overall impression wasn't so negative it was generally positive.
Rage does something something similar as a shooter and some are so down on it..just seems like they just want to focus on the flaws and not the whole thing.
Its the same issue with lack of highres textures.. most of the time this game looks stunning,Art direction,animations,world assets..so many WOW moments.
But if you go by some of the haters its like this game cameout looking like quake2.
I look at the quest system, the hub system as a more creative way to add context to a traditional shooter. Some have observed its very Zelda like in how the game world works.
When an action fighting game like Darksiders uses that formula to round out its design the overall impression wasn't so negative it was generally positive.
Rage does something something similar as a shooter and some are so down on it..just seems like they just want to focus on the flaws and not the whole thing.
Its the same issue with lack of highres textures.. most of the time this game looks stunning,Art direction,animations,world assets..so many WOW moments.
But if you go by some of the haters its like this game cameout looking like quake2.
You shouldn't get a pass on bad mechanics because you're trying something different. If you want to incorporate shooting into your RPG, good luck, I hope you pull it off well, but it will be compared to the best in the shooter genre because like it or not, it's the same mechanic you're playing with. Bioware themselves have said the exact same thing: they know they need to improve their combat because they know their game is going to be compared to the best shooters on the market and they need their game to have parity.Derrick01 said:
plagiarize
Banned
the first Dead Space didn't have the best controls or gameplay. it's one of my favourites, so i'm not bagging on it, but horror games traditionally get a bit of a pass for having janky gameplay IF they're scary since many of us that buy them don't buy them for fun minute to minute gameplay, but we buy them for the interactive frights.Mr_eX said:
still, Dead Space 2 controlled great and had much improved gameplay and it was a better game for it, but it's still a point of debate.
calling Rage's gameplay 'derivative' and 'unoriginal' isn't an untrue point. like every FPS its derivative of IDs work in the genre, and of Halo's influences. fortunately it ISN'T derivative of COD.
i just don't think derivative and unoriginaly are fair criticisms of an FPS that has better gun play than any other FPS i've played this gen.
originality should be praised, but unoriginality shouldn't be a critical point for any game that's really fun.
going back to Dead Space... is it completely derivative of Aliens and Resident Evil 4? sure is. doesn't stop it being a great game though does it?
Refreshment.01 said:
You also cited things that are used in all manner of video games because they're not inrtistically RPG elements. Metroid is not "borrowing from RPGs" because Samus earns permanent upgrades as she explores the planet. Those are things that are pretty much universal. Quests are probably the one thing I think this game borrows from RPGs and it does so very lightly.
Because of exactly what I said earlier - gameplay means less and less to reviewers nowadays. Narrative and graphics have taken over as the main considerations to a game's review success.
I think a lot of them are people who never had much affinity for any classic id game and want to be contrarian to prove some sort of point on the passage of time, like a film school kid taking a puff on a cigarette and proclaiming "Well, I don't think Citizen Kane is very good at all!"bloodydrake said:
plagiarize
Banned
of course, but i think his point is that reviewers DIDN'T shit on FO3 for being a bad shooter.StuBurns said:
I'm not sure how many hours I'm into the game, but I just finished Mutant Bash and I gotta say this is one awesome game, and probably the best FPS game I've played this generation, I can't think of any other I like better. And that's considering I'm playing a gimped version of the game with a crappy framerate thanks to borked AMD drivers. Driving feels really great(with a controller) and shooting is fantastic(with a mouse). PC version really has best of both worlds. Does the PS3 version support keyb/m by any chance?
Driving feels really great(with a controller) and shooting is fantastic(with a mouse). PC version really has best of both worlds. Does the PS3 version support keyb/m by any chance?
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
ya but the critisim went like this..."even tho the shooting leaves something to be desired this game is awesome 9.5/10"StuBurns said:
not "omg this shooters rpg elements are so superficial!I should mention the shootings the best all year " I guess I'll be nice and give it a 7/10
jett said:I'm not sure how many hours I'm into the game, but I just finished Mutant Bash and I gotta say this is one awesome game, and probably the best FPS game I've played this generation, I can't think of any other I like better. And that's considering I'm playing a gimped version of the game with a crappy framerate thanks to borked AMD drivers.
mutant bash was fucking great, but a question regarding it:
is it possible to dodge that tentacle move the big ogre looking guy uses? i swear i couldn't doge it for shit.