Rap is black music, but Eminem does it better than black artists according to 50cent
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Alligatorjandro
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I'm the best rapper.
theignoramus
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What Em did on the SSLP was what Ice Cube did better in 91 and 92.
Wrong 4 British guys. Led Zeppelin not The Beatles.
massivekettle
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Then what is? To me it just looks like black people (or African-Americans, w/e) are just salty that a white people beat them at their own game/"their" music genre. That white people could finally relate to hip hop. Pop, Rock, Metal, Punk fans became Eminem fans because they could relate to his music. Hip hop never had that reach before Eminem.
That standup basically summed up an entire generation, Chris Rock spoke the truth
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Big Baybee
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lol black people are salty because a white guy can rap. lol, white people "beat us at our own game". WTF is going on in here
A lot of that is just because he was white. Eminem didn't really innovate hip hop, he was just able to sell it to a new demographic.
Like, at the end of the day Em is 50's boy. You really think 50 wouldnt boost the fuck out of Em? That he'd be humble and say, " you know, even though Em is one of my best friends who helped launch my career, and he sold the most amount of records in the 2000's, my business-minded self thinks that he's not the best rapper ever"
So this is about album sales and not about music.
I guess Velvet Underground is worse than Katy Perry then.
So this is about album sales and not about music.
I guess Velvet Underground is worse than Katy Perry then.
FadedRevolution
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So hip-hop and all other genres are only good if white people like it? In other words, Black people can't have shit.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Lol get the fuck out if here with this non sense.
White America can relate to munchausen syndrome and killing your wife?
Black ppl are salty that white ppl beat them at their own game...
K den
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They could relate to his music because he is white, and they couldn't do so before? what?
Gordon Shumway
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SliChillax
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I'm white, love hip hop and I don't like Eminem. Not denying his talent for rap, I just don't like his tracks and the way he sounds.
A new demographic?
Eminem sold albums to white kids just like NWA sold albums to white kids. White folks have been listening to hip-hop since the 80s
In his defense, this exists: https://youtu.be/TXb6bjCCtuY
SamuelSupreme
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There aren't many rappers in the history of the game that can trade bars with Em...lyrically I think only Biggie and Prime Nas were the only cats that could be argued as better than prime Em...and even that's a reach.
Kendrick Lamar has a lot of Eminem in him...he's like a mix of Em, Tupac and Biggie now that I think about it.
Kendrick Lamar has a lot of Eminem in him...he's like a mix of Em, Tupac and Biggie now that I think about it.
theignoramus
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Pre Eminem, white people were definitely fucking with Dre, Snoop, Pac,and Biggie based on album sales from those dudes.
Between this and the Serena Williams thread, I am having a fucking ball today.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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He's not even top 15.
That post is cultural appropriation distilled.
Nabs
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Maybe top 5 white rappers, but even that's a stretch considering his output.
massivekettle
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That's not what I said.
To some people, Katy Perry is indeed better than Velvet. Besides, you are comparing two different genres, so not really appropriate comparison.
Exactly. Who cares if he didn't innovate, though, if his music is good? Nobody had bother tapping into that demographic, and he managed to where others failed.
There's a limit to innovation. Are Drake or JCole or Jay Electronica or Kid Cudi or K.Dot innovating right now?
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Feel ashamed of your words and deeds
In terms of influence? Yes?
In terms of actual output? Nope.
Velvet is worse than Nickelback.
Alice in Chains is worse than Nickelback.
Every rock group created in the 90's and up not named Nirvana is worse than Nickelback. They are legends.
Big Baybee
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Em's been eh for a good long time now. People can't accept it.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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massivekettle
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I'm in my late 20s, so not really.
Run DMC was only 3x platinum. Every Eminem album did that, at the very least (and that's despite atrocious record sales in the 2000s).
Maybe, but that's the extent of it, really. Not a lot of rappers were extremely successful aside from those - you could add Outkast and Jay-Z but that's more late-90s.
I don't know about Kendrick but I do know quite a few younger rappers were definitely influenced by Eminem.
People, specifically on GAF, do like to downplay Eminem's influence tho
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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That's the thing, his music isn't that good and nobody could tap into that same demographic because they weren't white with a Dr Dre cosign. They also didn't spit corny controversial lyrics either.
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Who would claim to be influenced by that
Looking back, Eminem's discography wasn't all that special. The reason why he became the most successful rapper during the early 2000s was greatly due to his material going on dissing sprees towards a variety of pop culture celebrities. He had a good song here and there, but I'd argue that his best tracks were the diss tracks that he let out in the wild. That's where he could let himself shine. My favorite Eminem song is "The Sauce". It had a great beat, and his rhymes and delivery were on-point. Eminem is on his game when he has a target to focus on, and specifically, that target needs to be a person who he hates enough to want to make a diss track about. Overall, naw, Eminem isn't the best rapper.
I'm disappointed that the Beastie Boys didn't reach the level of fame that Eminem received. By the time they made Check Your Head, Ill Communication, and Hello Nasty, their rhyming and beat production had matured into excellency. They came a long way from Licensed to Ill. They also oozed fucking style, and played some pretty damn good punk rock music and instrumentals. MCA was the best technical rapper of the three of them. RIP
I'm disappointed that the Beastie Boys didn't reach the level of fame that Eminem received. By the time they made Check Your Head, Ill Communication, and Hello Nasty, their rhyming and beat production had matured into excellency. They came a long way from Licensed to Ill. They also oozed fucking style, and played some pretty damn good punk rock music and instrumentals. MCA was the best technical rapper of the three of them. RIP
TheOohChild
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How could we downplay the legacy of the man who brought us "Fack"?
massivekettle
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ITT: Downplaying Eminem's legacy and career achievements. I'm out of this thread now. Peace.
birthday-suit
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The people who usually Eminem is the best are usually a specific group of people.
At least Drake has a wider reach.
At least Drake has a wider reach.
ITT: Downplaying Eminem's legacy and career achievements
You're conflating album sales with music quality.
To you anyone that sells a lot is automatically better than anyone else that sells less than them.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Honestly, I don't think white people's opinions on black music matters. Who cares if they were fucking with them or not? Lol at him trying to make white acceptance mean something.
Roberto Duran
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They were also the FIRST to have a rap album go gold. They were a household name at the time, something no other rap act had done.
Their influence and presence at the time was bigger than Eminem's ever could be. He was walking down a road someone else had paved.
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