YesNOnoNOYes
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OF COURSE
of course
he is just remorseful enough not to want any responsibility. do you not see? he has already self-imposed snacks-related self-punishments and that is clearly very remorseful enough
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Rapist gets 6 months because prison sentence would have a severe impact on him
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OF COURSE
of course
he is just remorseful enough not to want any responsibility. do you not see? he has already self-imposed snacks-related self-punishments and that is clearly very remorseful enough
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phisheep
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I was responding specifically to a question about the difference in charging between the two cases. (Haven't got to looking at the convictions and evidence in detail yet).
The point here is, yes, Turner was convicted. But it isn't rape that he was convicted of.
Rosenskjold
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And some people claim white privilege doesn't exist.
Chuckie
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Could this bite him in the ass? Like getting a higher sentence after the appeal?
I've seen this happen in the Netherlands.
excelsiorlef
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It seems the US with Double Jeopardy laws only allow defendant appeals. So probably not.
Clearly the goal here is to get him off the registry.
Chuckie
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In the Netherlands we do not have Double Jeopardy laws I think.
A defendant can appeal to a higher court once convicted, but there is a possibility the judge of the higher court not only also convicts him, but actually gives a harsher sentence then the judge from the 'lower' court.
The civil suit puts importance on evidence of emotional stress and damages that the criminal case doesn't. It might vary by state, but I don't think Shield laws apply in civil cases.
ChamplooJones
Formerly Momotaro
It's fucking disgusting.
EdibleKnife
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I want him to admit to the victim what he did. It must be absolutely horrible having what he did to her denied, especially if he's actually appealing it.
I can imagine she even has moments where she starts doubting herself, or feeling some kind of guilt, all sorts of twisted shit that rape survivors go through that would probably at least begin to dissipate if he showed genuine remorse and actively tried to rehabilitate.
That fact he did this has condemned her to live with it for life, the fact he's not making amends is very likely preventing her from moving on entirely.
He was monster enough for the "action", but this makes him something even worse.
my ex was raped and then had things twisted up and used against her
my sister was raped
i know other girls who were raped
just the doubt and fear about men in the future might last forever, self doubt anxiety, shame... everyones different but those are some things that i have discussed with them.
the girl is being brave by bringing this into the public... and this guy, the dad, the judge are fucked. And they're appealing! fuck! i'm glad to read about the swim ban and the increased media pressure but it's not enough obviously
my sister was raped
i know other girls who were raped
just the doubt and fear about men in the future might last forever, self doubt anxiety, shame... everyones different but those are some things that i have discussed with them.
the girl is being brave by bringing this into the public... and this guy, the dad, the judge are fucked. And they're appealing! fuck! i'm glad to read about the swim ban and the increased media pressure but it's not enough obviously
shoplifter
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LiquidSword
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Might be possible? Not sure. That Texas state senator who used to be a judge made it sound that way. I think he said something to the effect of because this arrogant defendent is appealing we can correct his sentencing.
Edit: "Poe also said he is glad this arrogant defendant has appealed his case, adding that this appeal will give the court an opportunity to give the former Stanford swimmer a harsher sentence.
The appeals court must make this right and overturn this pathetic sentence, Rep. Poe said."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/emaoconnor/congressman-demands-zero-tolerance-for-rape?utm_term=.gwpRP6Q243#.fpLqr7x53o
So sounds like it is possible...
Of fucking course. The way he and his family talk they basically view this as sticking their fingers in their ears and going "lalalalala we don't hear you we need our business relationships to keep going"
I believe he can be resentenced, yeah. Just can't be retried for the same crime, but the sentence can be changed upwards.
I don't know what he's hoping for. There's absolutely no way he'll have the sex offender title revoked, and 6 months isn't getting any lower.
There are two possibilities:
1. He truly thinks he's the victim here, which will likely be re-enforced by those close to him.
2. He knows he's guilty as fuck and wants to make it look like he believes he's innocent.
Either way is alarming, and I really hope it backfires.
There are two possibilities:
1. He truly thinks he's the victim here, which will likely be re-enforced by those close to him.
2. He knows he's guilty as fuck and wants to make it look like he believes he's innocent.
Either way is alarming, and I really hope it backfires.
Palette Swap
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What a piece of shit.
shoplifter
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ITT: people can't separate someone being remorseful and that same person protecting themselves from a legal process.
ClosingADoor
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I don't get shit like this. If anyone I know did something like this, I'd never want to have anything to do with such a scumbag. If a family member did this, I'd cut ties. I don't want to hang around people like this and don't know why others want to protect him.
By having the victim to through the trial again. Fuck this guy. He got of very, very light, yet still wants to inflict more hurt on someone and drag out the process this way.
shoplifter
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He is legally entitled to an appeal. It's sad that the victim has to go through it, but the same thing happens in things like murder trials. Due process is an integral part of the justice system. Are you proposing that rape trials be subject to a different process?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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He can legally do it, and we can legally think he's garbage because he is.
shoplifter
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If you think he's garbage for appealing a conviction, I sincerely hope neither you nor anyone you know ever have to appeal a conviction.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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People can think I'm garbage all they want.
shoplifter
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I'm sure he feels likewise.
he tried to get sentencing leniency by expressing remorse
then it turns out he only regretted drinking around sluts
then he appeals
it's not hard to understand why people are mad at him
Gotdatmoney
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I don't blame him for appealing. It's his right. But I hope it fails miserably and he gets the long ass sentence he deaerved in the first place because he's trash.
shoplifter
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^^^^ I have no problem with that argument.
'We're pissed at someone for using the legal system as intended.'
'We're pissed at someone for using the legal system as intended.'
no, we're pissed at him for being a completely unrepentant rapist and hypocrite
On top of that he's just spitting in the victims face and dragging this on.
shoplifter
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No, you're pissed at him because he's doing what he is legally entitled to do. You have to separate what he may personally feel (I'm not going to decide if he is actually remorseful or not) from legal procedure.
I guess you'd just not appeal your convictions if you were in the same situation (regardless of crime). After all, you'd be unrepentant assholes.
\/\/\/ not related to his appeal.
I guess you'd just not appeal your convictions if you were in the same situation (regardless of crime). After all, you'd be unrepentant assholes.
\/\/\/ not related to his appeal.
A judge accepted the argument that alcohol magically turns normal men into predators.
Yes, people are pissed about that, and for good reason.
Corronchilejano
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Now that this has gained so much traction, hopefully he can get his comeuppance.
Your not getting it. He's legally entitled too, and we are legally entitled to be pissed at the whole situation, the rape, the light sentencing, the judge, the appeal, all of it. Its a joke in this case and people are rightfully angry at the rapist, of course they are.
ClosingADoor
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What you are legally entitled to and what is the right thing to do are sometimes two different things. He got a very light sentence. He should be happy with that. But hopefully he gets more because of the appeal.
He's a scumbag for making someone else suffer more because of this appeal. Do the time and think of someone else for a bit.
you don't get to tell me what i'm feeling. if i said you're only posting this way because you think rapists shouldn't go to jail how would that sound?
Gotdatmoney
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I mean yeah people are pissed at him using the legal system as intended because the legal system totally blew him kisses and he isnt satisfied. I mean to me, you do what you gotta do for yourself in a situation like this so I dont blame him. He's a piece of shit but rights are rights and getting mad that he has them is pointless.
But on an actual moral level you raped someone and you still wanna drag this on despite the fact that by every metric of sanity you got off with a sloppy kiss instead of an actual fitting sentence? It comes across as fucking douchey.
But personally I like this. Maybe this is a chance for a real judge to get it right where his fuckboy collegue shit the bed.
To the rest of the thread. Dude raped a girl then stood up and talked about alcohol and promicuity while hos dad and friend down played raping an unconscious body. Dude doesn't give a shit about what right or decent. Its court, at this point why not go all the way if you have a chance to get off? Its not like you had any dignity at any other point in the process.
Dunedain_Ranger
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After all the appeals and the smoke is cleared he's going walk out for time served isn't he ?
shoplifter
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The number of posts in this thread either outwardly hope for or alluding to Mr. Turner being either raped or roughed up in prison is disturbing on its own. It's unbelievable that people literally wishing rape on someone haven't been banned or even called out.
Sometimes the legal system fails. In this case at least the defendant was convicted.
edit: to note faceless007's comments below are acknowledged.
Sometimes the legal system fails. In this case at least the defendant was convicted.
edit: to note faceless007's comments below are acknowledged.
this shit is awful and i wish it would get a harsher responses here than it does
in rape cases the legal system fails the overwhelming majority of the time. most rapes aren't reported, and most convicted rapists don't ever see the inside of a prison.
faceless007
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That behavior is explicitly against the rules and I and other mods already banned several posters in this thread for it. If you see any that we've missed, please report it to a mod, rather than engaging in meta-commentary about what should or should not be bannable.
I don't wish rape upon him. I wish justice. I wish for him to do his time, the -real- time a crime of this magnitude deserves, not the complete mockery to the legal system that he ended up getting, that slap to the victim's face delivered with official hands.
People are tired of settling for one "at least" at best in cases this severe. We can be better than this by far and I see nothing wrong with people demanding it so.
It actually does. A few people have been banned in this thread.
people get banned but general commentary usually glides past it like it never happened
it's kind of beside the point though
shoplifter
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thank you, they may have been banned after I read through the comments.
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