daTRUballin
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Yeah, reading old GAF threads from 2004, 2005, 2006, etc and seeing all the hate towards Rare from Nintendo fans (and just gamers in general) is so cringeworthy to read. No wonder their Xbox games failed!
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Rare Replay |OT| Jetpacks and Googly Eyes, Here We Come
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Yeah, reading old GAF threads from 2004, 2005, 2006, etc and seeing all the hate towards Rare from Nintendo fans (and just gamers in general) is so cringeworthy to read. No wonder their Xbox games failed!
I noticed that earlier, couldn't ever find a game. I thought you were hinting at something more than that haha.It seems that no one is playing this game online
Oh well, looks like I'll be playing PDZ for now.
I don't buy this, regarding GbtG.
I didn't play GbtG too much back then, but I'm currently working through it in the collection and, save for the incredible remaster job, it feels like an empty shell of a game.
Bad, repetitive and inaccurate combat, no level design to speak of, and surprisingly marred by non-gameplay interruptions for a Rare game.
I don't think it's fair to peg the reception the game got as Nintendo sour grapes.
I didn't play GbtG too much back then, but I'm currently working through it in the collection and, save for the incredible remaster job, it feels like an empty shell of a game.
Bad, repetitive and inaccurate combat, no level design to speak of, and surprisingly marred by non-gameplay interruptions for a Rare game.
I don't think it's fair to peg the reception the game got as Nintendo sour grapes.
I never played the game, so my comments of it being good/great are from the positive impressions people here are sharing about the game. If the game is bad and has flaws, then those issues got exploded thanks to the hate Nintendo fans got with Rare being with Microsoft.
A good game with a number of flaws holding it back from greatness went to a horrid piece of crap due to it not meeting the 'lofty' expectations people had for the game.
That's the thing, I don't think they were.
Star Fox Adventures didn't have a particularly positive reception, either. And GbtG is orders of magnitude worse than that in every way, IMO.
I don't think it's particularly well-designed game either, which makes it fundamentally not something I would call a good game. It feels like a sequence of challenge rooms with ever-changing and arbitrary rules. It's also worth keeping in mind that it did come out 2 years after Luigi's Mansion -- a game that had just done the exploring a haunted mansion thing, but with much more interesting and unique dual-stick combat and a proper explorable and well-designed mansion.
Anyways, just my opinion
Star Fox Adventures didn't have a particularly positive reception, either. And GbtG is orders of magnitude worse than that in every way, IMO.
I don't think it's particularly well-designed game either, which makes it fundamentally not something I would call a good game. It feels like a sequence of challenge rooms with ever-changing and arbitrary rules. It's also worth keeping in mind that it did come out 2 years after Luigi's Mansion -- a game that had just done the exploring a haunted mansion thing, but with much more interesting and unique dual-stick combat and a proper explorable and well-designed mansion.
Anyways, just my opinion
I'm not usually very perceptive of these things, but Nuts & Bolts has some pretty serious frame rate issues, right? Am I imagining things? Was the original like this?
Still a really neat game. Never gave it a look on 360.
Still a really neat game. Never gave it a look on 360.
SFA is a very interesting case, as while it was very clear that the SF IP was shoved into an original IP, the game was the problem of Rare tackling a genre they never faced before (similar issues popped up with Jet Force Gemini, as they never made a third person shooter before that one).
While Jet Force ended up being a good/great game, Star Fox Adventures suffered a lot due to the game having gameplay that needed work, combat needed more verity, the item collection needed to be toned down, the story needed ALOT of work and the Star Fox sections should of been implanted more natural in the game (if your Dino buddy was a flying one, I could easily see shooting sections using Fox's staff be in the game before visits to the dungeons or incorporating JFG's shooting mechanics into the game).
Rare never made a Zelda game before and Star Fox Adventures shows. For a first attempt, it could have been a lot worse honestly
. It looked (and still looks) amazing, the David Wise score is fantastic and the dungeons/Star Fox shooting sections are well done . Could of been a better game but for what it was, it was a good game in the end despite its issues.
matrixman92
Member
Put about 6 hours into the infinite battletoads tunnel now, I just can't do it god damn. Gotten up to the 2 minute mark
RedSparrows
Member
I really like GbtG. It's colourful, humorous and fun, with some nice tricky challenges late on - the 'arbitrary' rules are clearly designed to present escalating challenge and to keep the basic combat interesting. It's by no means exceptionally world-changing etc, but I really enjoyed my recent playthrough - the first I've ever done of it.
Now resurrected my old N&B savefile. I love that game, and yes, I wanted BK3. I prefer N&B to BT by a long way.
Now resurrected my old N&B savefile. I love that game, and yes, I wanted BK3. I prefer N&B to BT by a long way.
No, it's pretty dead. There was a few aspects of the online that 4J didn't deliver on, so it was super hard to keep playing the game.
Like, the online play itself when in a game is fine. But the playlist/etc functionality is so bad that it killed the online only a month after the game was on. I made a post about it a while back on here. The fact you can't search for online games as a party is a huge one.
The same thing has happened to me too under slightly different circumstances.
Last night I selected save and continue, then returned to Rare Replay by holding the menu button. This morning I tried to load that garden and after the loading screen was confronted with a message that said my garden was corrupt of invalid and it suggested I delete the garden from my Xbox. My other two older gardens loaded up fine.
I hope this isn't going to be something that keeps happening.
Impressive!
matrixman92
Member
There is still a chance for you to be the first to complete the game. No tracked gamers have completed it yet on trueachievements. I think completing the battletoads tunnel achievement gives you an edge...last I checked, only like 60 people have done it
Backfoggen
Banned
What the fuck is it with censorship of Conker under MS. It's like a 10 polygon "dick". The game is rated M. Dang Nintendo even allowed more.
Give us Conker: Live & Uncut already
Edit: false alarm
daTRUballin
Member
Wait a minute......Did MS really censor some parts in the N64 version for Rare Replay?
Backfoggen
Banned
I did some research.. Lol.
That part is censored on N64 too, just some emulators didn't render the pixelation so it was uncensored there.
So no, it's uncensored (identical to the N64 version)
Didn't think they would censor the N64 version......
They did censor the Xbox Remake, so who knows honestly.
Edit; Apparently, it was the case in the original game too outside of emulation......good to know the N64 version in Rare Replay is the same as it was in the original N64 game
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daTRUballin
Member
Yeah, that's what I thought the poster you responded to was talking about. I did remember that it was censored in the original N64 version as well.
User 479360
Banned
Man, this game is overwhelming. I already had a huge backlog, now I have added reason to finish games from almost two decades ago that I didn't beat. (Banjo-Tooie, Blast Corps, Conker + some of the newer stuff.)
It is really cool, though.
This morning, I beat all of the Sabre Wulfe and Cobra Triangle snapshots.
It is really cool, though.
This morning, I beat all of the Sabre Wulfe and Cobra Triangle snapshots.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Oh really? I could have sworn I remember seeing a dick all those years back. Well, my bad in that case.
I doubt it. I changed my gamertag when I got an XBONE so I don't have any of the 360 achievements anymore. VP and TiP are gonna take a long ass time to get the 750GS needed for their stamps.
matrixman92
Member
oh, I was just talking about the base rare replay game. The rest arent counted in there. Or do you need to complete the 360 games for stuff in rare replay?
But you need to reach the highest rank to for one of the achievements. I thought you needed all 330 stamps to get there. If you don;t need all of them, then it would be cool if I was the first person to get every achievement in the base RR game.
matrixman92
Member
idk...i honestly havent even fully looked through rare replays menu. I didnt notice that the 360 games had stamps or were even listed in this games menu. But i just saw they were. Then yeah, you probably need to complete them.
and while you are here, do you have any advice for the part in the turbo tunnel where there is an exclamation mark and you go over several jumps. Seems like I just go flying forward and off the ground if I press a direction, or if I dont press a direction
Fox Mulder
Member
Didn't think they would censor the N64 version......
They did censor the Xbox Remake, so who knows honestly.
Edit; Apparently, it was the case in the original game too outside of emulation......good to know the N64 version in Rare Replay is the same as it was in the original N64 game
I figured Rare added beeps in Live and Reloaded for a shift in humor, as the game was still rated M.
Not to mention Perfect Dark Zero's brilliant idea to use "complete 1000 matches of X" for multiple achievements, though at least you have the option of wasting a few hours cheesing those with bots.
The best way to get around it then, is to save and continue then quit the game through Xbox one dashboard
DarthWalden
Banned
I don't Remember all this backlash when Rare was purchased but I guess I wasn't actively involved in a online community back then. The salt would have been glorious though. TBH I don't know why people get so angry if you loved Rare that much you would have simply bought an Xbox to play their games. I know the day I heard that news was the day I decided I was going to trade my PS2 in for an Xbox.
Despite that I skipped GBTG when it was released on xbox back in the day due to less then stellar reviews. I always wanted to play it though and this collection has given me that chance. Its a classic rare game and I'm dissapointed I let reviews sway me away from it. Their 360 output was interesting I don't think I purchased a single title on day one yet I enjoyed each of them thoroughly, even perfect dark despite its glaring problems (what a dreadful story and dreadful AI). Despite being a long time rare fan both nuts and bolts and the viva pinata series both caught me by surprise by how rare like and enjoyable they were when I played them around release.
Despite that I skipped GBTG when it was released on xbox back in the day due to less then stellar reviews. I always wanted to play it though and this collection has given me that chance. Its a classic rare game and I'm dissapointed I let reviews sway me away from it. Their 360 output was interesting I don't think I purchased a single title on day one yet I enjoyed each of them thoroughly, even perfect dark despite its glaring problems (what a dreadful story and dreadful AI). Despite being a long time rare fan both nuts and bolts and the viva pinata series both caught me by surprise by how rare like and enjoyable they were when I played them around release.
AndyMoogle
Member
Huh? That's not even a hard one :/
Also, yes, you need to get at least 750 achievement points in the 360 games. It's 150, I think, for the XBLA games.
matrixman92
Member
WAT? the loop the battletoad turbo tunnel achievement? Ive been trying for over 6 hours
Yeah, you need them for the stamps from milestones. Basically anyone who played/mostly completed the 360 games would have a huge headstart. I got all the stamps immediately from kazooie, tooie, n&b and most of them from perfect dark, but never touched zero, kameo, or either viva pinata.
daTRUballin
Member
Yeah, there was a huge backlash over the Rare buyout. Just go read some old Rare related threads here on GAF. The amount of hate they got was astounding. The general sentiment back then was pretty much: "MS wasted their money! Nintendo tricked MS into buying a dead developer! Nintendo made a great business move! Rare has no talent left! Etc, etc."
You'll still find some people still say this kind of stuff nowadays, but the buyout was fresh in people's minds back then, so it was a lot worse.
When microsoft bought rare wasn't pretty much everyone still there except for the free radical guys? Doesn't make sense to be calling rare a dead developer back then.
Needlecrash
Member
I'm surprised Wizards & Warriors didn't make the cut.
SEGAvangelist
Member
I'm surprised Wizards & Warriors didn't make the cut.
MS/Rare doesn't own the IP.
daTRUballin
Member
Exactly! Everybody else WAS still there except for the Free Radical people. For some reason, there has always been a misconception that there was a mass exodus of talent at Rare before the buyout, but this isn't true at all. I'm not sure why most people seem to think otherwise.
Yes.
RedSparrows
Member
Because MS gets hate (i.e. Rare staff knew the End Times had arrived, jumped ship to save their souls, etc etc). Rightly, a lot of the time, but often at the expense of ignoring some things they actually do well.
AndyMoogle
Member
Oh, I thought you meant the turbo tunnel snapshot.
I was too, grew up on that wonderous game.I'm surprised Wizards & Warriors didn't make the cut.
Yeah, this collection is great but thinking of all the amazing titles that couldn't be included because of copyrights; (Goldeneye, DKC, W&W etc) I can't help but be a little sad.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Does anyone own the Goldeneye rights right now?
IIRC it's Activision.
daTRUballin
Member
Actually, the hate was directed more towards Rare, not MS. Nobody at the time was really aware of Microsoft's mismanagement of the studio, so they usually blamed all of Rare's problems on Rare. Everybody seemed to think that MS gave Rare complete freedom (which turned out to be not so true). People only started being aware of this around 2009/2010 when MS put them on Kinect duty.
TharpDaddy
Member
Having never played it, I'm absolutely loving Viva Pinata. Tried to play some Nuts and Bolts but gooodness the framerate is rough. The town and the first level I went into both were having issues, does it smooth out in other levels?
Yeah. Both the snapshot as well as the achievement for completing a full lap.