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[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Is that really the argument being made though?

I keep seeing people say, its better that they look at this so they don't act on their urges. Do you have any data that says that looking at cartoon cp stops, prevents or is anyways beneficial for pedo's?

Since when is "Is it beneficial?" the standard by which we go about banning or not banning things? The question is whether it has actively negative costs, and if those negative costs outweigh the costs of the concomitant loss of freedom of thought and expression involved in banning it and the costs involved in punishing everyone who looks at or creates it.

 

[AppleMIX]

Is that really the argument being made though?

I keep seeing people say, its better that they look at this so they don't act on their urges. Do you have any data that says that looking at cartoon cp stops, prevents or is anyways beneficial for pedo's?

I imagine the data is inconclusive because of the nature of the action but you can't make a assumption like that without evidence.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

IF there is a way to get rid of sexual urges, then i'm all for these people with pedophilic thoughts to go there and try to get help (i dont think there is much study for the cure of pedophilic urges), IF it doesnt help that, then i'd say cartoon CP is the lesser evil and is the best way for them to get through their urges, however once they feel the need to touch a child/look at real children, they HAVE to get help ASAP because touching a child is WRONG/ looking at CP means someone was harmed in the process and thats wrong. Its a bad enabler, but if there is a 100% way to get rid of pedophilia in the head then people should automatically go that route. They'll have a new fetish to go towards.

This just seems so naive. Here pedo, you have urges, so look at all this cartoon CP. However, if you ever really start to want to act on your urges quick go get help. You are facilitating that urge, you are driving that urge.

 

[marrec]

This just seems so naive. Here pedo, you have urges, so look at all this cartoon CP. However, if you ever really start to want to act on your urges quick go get help. You are facilitating that urge, you are driving that urge.

There are treatments for paraphilias as I said last page. They don't involve reinforcement however.

 

[Joyful]

eh reddit can ban whatever they want its their right to do so
anyway pedos should be helped;pitied(born that way) and molesters (rapists) scorned like the subhuman trash they are
ppl seem to think pedo automatically equals rapist

 

[Jazz573]

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No. Not funny. Try harder.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

There are treatments for paraphilias as I said last page. They don't involve reinforcement however.

Yah, because reinforcing an urge that you are trying to get rid of or suppress is absolutely crazy.

Addicted to alcohol, don't drink; but surround yourself with other alcoholics, go to a bar, watch a loop of Homer hammering beer, etc. trust me it will help suppress those urges.

 

[Robofish]

Anyone saw Louis Theroux docu: A Place for Paedophiles?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FnvNYabZvQ

At the 27min mark. There talking about a picture that was hanging in a room.

It's not OK.

 

[wookieofdoom]

The only reddit forums I have ever ventured into are ones related to my tabletop gaming hobbies like Netrunner or X-Wing. Glad I never did go past those. It's such a shame that in 2015 humanity still hasn't gotten past such pettiness

 

[Karkador]

I get the feeling this "molester" is similar to the "rapist in the bushes" idea that doesn't actually address the causes and realities of sexual assault. These people weren't put on earth "in the bushes", so to speak.

 

[sensui-tomo]

There are treatments for paraphilias as I said last page. They don't involve reinforcement however.

read up on that subject just now, Then we should have it open to all these people, and not have people shaming pedophiles because its a mental issue. I'll still feel that cartoon cp doesnt harm anyone when you just look at it, but i understand why others are disturbed by it. Problem is people with Paraphilias are Screwed in the usa in some states due to " In the United States, following a series of landmark cases in the Supreme Court of the United States, persons diagnosed with paraphilias and a history of anti-social behavior, particularly pedophilia (Kansas v. Hendricks, 1997) and exhibitionism (Kansas v. Crane, 2002), can be held indefinitely in civil confinement under various state legislation generically known as sexually violent predator laws[58][59] and the federal Adam Walsh Act (United States v. Comstock, 2010)."

 

[JDSN]

And that is completely irrelevant.

Do you have a study specifically showing that consumption for lolicon pornography leads to consumption of child pornography/child porn offender?

Even so, increasing someone chances of committing a crime is not a crime.

I dont have to look for the study because in medico-legal terms child pornography involves everything from writing, painting, photos, videos and animation, its child porn, and child porn will get you a child porn offender status if you are not careful, maybe in Japan they make rules to define it due to outside pressure of a piece of shit industry, but in most places they will not give you a lesser punishment or label because the child that just got bukkaked is actually an old dragon.

Notice that I have not talked of crime until you brought it up, I dont care about the law, I care about facilitating risk conducts to at-risk populations. If you look at lolicon porn, and you know that you wont touch kids, wouldnt you be willing to give up the thing you watch every once in a while if it decreases the chance that child molesters will engage.

Obviously there are bigger risk factors, but taking that one out might help.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Pedos have the natural urge. Looking at cartoon porn is filler because ultimately you want the real life version and experiences. It can expose you to experienes that you didn't think about before, ultimately yearning/wanting to mimic that in real life (whether you can is another story).

It'll get them off, but the natural urges will never go away.

To me you seek help no matter what. I'm not sure it'll help, but there aren't many viable pathways.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

"Animated porn" is fine because no one is being hurt, it's just drawings. It isn't and hopefully it will never be made illegal. Being into loli/shota does not make you a pedo either.

But from what I understand reddit is a company or whatever so they can do as they wish to protect their image. I didn't even know there were loli boards in reddit, so I'll guess there's a reddit board for everything.

The racist boards on the other hand are fucking insanity, being openly racist smfh.

I saw this thread earlier but I just avoid these threads these days as no one changes and everyone keeps saying the same ignorant crap, and as usual I just get avatar quoted.

 

[JDSN]

and as usual I just get avatar quoted.

but I have yet to see the first psychiatrist or psychologist prescribing 5mg of Etrian Odyssey,

IM SORRY MAURICIO! ;(

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

IM SORRY MAURICIO!

I prescribe Etrian Odyssey to everyone.

 

[partyphone]

not animated porn. animated child rape.

 

[sensui-tomo]

"Animated porn" is fine because no one is being hurt, it's just drawings. It isn't and hopefully it will never be made illegal. Being into loli/shota does not make you a pedo either.

But from what I understand reddit is a company or whatever so they can do as they wish to protect their image. I didn't even know there were loli boards in reddit, so I'll guess there's a reddit board for everything.

The racist boards on the other hand are fucking insanity, being openly racist smfh.

I saw this thread earlier but I just avoid these threads these days as no one changes and everyone keeps saying the same ignorant crap, and as usual I just get avatar quoted.

You are always the most targeted person in these threads magus, hell people mention you in them about 80% as the "That jrpg-dark skinned loli user from gaming" then again we havent had one of these threads in a while (unless there was one during my ban)

 

[Menome]

Racism is racism no matter what. These images are not even real people, they are simply that, drawings.

"Animated porn" is fine because no one is being hurt, it's just drawings. It isn't and hopefully it will never be made illegal.

As a current anime-avatar user, can I just say these people do not and will not ever speak for me on this issue and I am completely on the other side of the fence to them on this issue.

For the love of all that's good, please don't tar us all with the same brush on an issue as serious as this.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

not animated porn. animated child rape.

Any kind of drawing/animation should be legal, I don't care what the hell is being drawn.

You don't have to like it or accept it.

You are always the most targeted person in these threads magus, hell people mention you in them about 80% as the "That jrpg-dark skinned loli user from gaming" then again we havent had one of these threads in a while (unless there was one during my ban)

I'm fine with, and yeah it has happened several times in the past, I saw this thread when it was created and knew it would turn into this, it always happens.

I'm never going to be able to change my avatar, it's too iconic haha.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

not animated porn. animated child rape.

You write this as if the fact that it is animated, i.e. fictive, i.e. a representation of a thought, is immaterial to how it ought to be considered, legally and ethically.

 

[partyphone]

You write this as if the fact that it is animated, i.e. fictive, i.e. a representation of a thought, is immaterial to how it ought to be considered, legally and ethically.

no the point was to not sugarcoat the topic at hand. nobody is mad at animated porn in general.

 

[thesuperfunk]

This happened with r/NeoF**.

What's wrong with NeoFunk?

GAF related, right?

 

[Mikesta]

"They are depictions of children" is a rather weird understanding of loli, considering the proportions they are drawn with and the way they tend to be sexualized barely resembles real children beyond being short and lacking tits. That shit is pretty much it's own genre of sexual fetish depicting something that doesn't even exist in real life. I'm sure there are pedos who can use this as fap-material, but this whole idea about lolicons being child molesters in the making makes about as much sense as thinking that a furry is just one step away from fucking his own cat. A somewhat simple-minded train of thought.

Also, being amazed that those filthy pedos with anime avatars always come out of the woodwork to defend "anime child porn" (lol) is also rather bizarre, because if you honestly can't see why the concept of equating something that a dude scribbles on paper with actual children getting abused and fucked might be slightly contentious, then uhh...yeah, I just don't know.

I don't understand why we haven't already taken everyone who enjoys or defends loli porn and put them into permanent quarantine.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

no the point was to not sugarcoat the topic at hand. nobody is mad at animated porn in general.

But my point is that "animated" is the key phrase in how we ought to consider it. If something is animated, then unless it's advocating for a direct overthrow of the government or outright giving instructions on how to prey on children or something that it's actually illegal to do, then the actual content ought not matter, from a legal and ethical perspective. I don't really give a fuck about Reddit's policy on this so much as I dislike the modern "do-gooder" perspective that jumps immediately to banning and censorship as a means of dealing with things one finds personally distasteful.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

I don't understand why we haven't already taken everyone who enjoys or defends loli porn and put them into permanent quarantine.

Because it would be a waste of resources to put people in "permanent quarantine" over something that doesn't hurt anyone.

 

[NCR Redslayer]

I don't understand why we haven't already taken everyone who enjoys or defends loli porn and put them into permanent quarantine.

That's usually left to the mindset of the mods.

Because it would be a waste of resources to put people in "permanent quarantine" over something that doesn't hurt anyone.

Remember Halo? I don't either.

 

[Mikesta]

But my point is that "animated" is the key phrase in how we ought to consider it. If something is animated, then unless it's advocating for a direct overthrow of the government or outright giving instructions on how to prey on children or something that it's actually illegal to do, then the actual content ought not matter, from a legal perspective. I don't really give a fuck about Reddit's policy on this so much as I dislike the modern "do-gooder" perspective that jumps immediately to banning and censorship as a means of dealing with things one finds personally distasteful.

Regardless of whether or not something is illegal, a privately-owned forum should absolutely (be it reddit or some other site) take a strong stance against child porn, animated or otherwise, and ban anyone who traffics or voices enjoyment of it. This is not a violation of anyone's constitutional rights. It's simply a moral imperative.

 

[partyphone]

But my point is that "animated" is the key phrase in how we ought to consider it. If something is animated, then unless it's advocating for a direct overthrow of the government or outright giving instructions on how to prey on children or something that it's actually illegal to do, then the actual content ought not matter, from a legal and ethical perspective. I don't really give a fuck about Reddit's policy on this so much as I dislike the modern "do-gooder" perspective that jumps immediately to banning and censorship as a means of dealing with things one finds personally distasteful.

I'm inclined to agree from a purely legal perspective. but I think people should take it upon themselves to ban that shit everywhere. it's not about being a do gooder whatever the fuck that actually means. it's about not hosting child rape porn. stop defending it.

 

[Mikesta]

Because it would be a waste of resources to put people in "permanent quarantine" over something that doesn't hurt anyone.

But it degrades the entire community by association. And it is generally distasteful.

 

[TheSadRanger]

The loli hentai defense force is in full effect here.

By weeaboos logic than I'm sure that people who posted racist crap in the other sub reddits would never do anything racist in real life. It's just typing words!! It's not harming anyone!!

Why are they so damn defensive on this crap anyways.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

But it degrades the entire community by association. And it is generally distasteful.

You don't put people in jail for life for something that is distasteful.

 

[Mikesta]

The loli hentai defense force is in full effect here.

By weeaboos logic than I'm sure that people who posted racist crap in the other sub reddits would never do anything racist in real life. It's just typing words!! It's not harming anyone!!

Why are they so damn defensive on this crap anyways.

Probably because they secretly feel a ton of shame and bottle themselves up as much as possible to avoid it.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

I'm inclined to agree from a purely legal perspective. but I think people should take it upon themselves to ban that shit everywhere. it's not about being a do gooder whatever the fuck that actually means. it's about not hosting child rape porn. stop defending it.

its animated though man.

You don't put people in jail for life for something that is distasteful.

You know you're right, I would settle for just shunning them off the island.

 

[wolfhowwl]

I don't understand why we haven't already taken everyone who enjoys or defends loli porn and put them into permanent quarantine.

On the forum or in real life?

I would support both.

 

[Mikesta]

You don't put people in jail for life for something that is distasteful.

I don't mean real-life jail. I mean on a forum, people who enjoy this godawful shit should be either kept in quarantine or banned outright (preferably the latter).

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

I don't mean real-life jail. I mean on a forum, people who enjoy this godawful shit should be either kept in quarantine or banned outright (preferably the latter).

That's way different, if mods want to ban anyone for something that goes against the TOS then they can go ahead.

 

[è£ ç”²æ‚ªé¬¼æ‘æ­£]

I don't understand why we haven't already taken everyone who enjoys or defends loli porn and put them into permanent quarantine.

The conviction that banning drawings is silly as hell no matter what they depict isn't exactly super outlandish. And I like my animu-sluts exclusively big-breasted with long legs (thanks for ruining me, SAILOR MARS), sorry for betraying your expectations.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Regardless of whether or not something is illegal, a privately-owned forum should absolutely (be it reddit or some other site) take a strong stance against child porn, animated or otherwise, and ban anyone who traffics or voices enjoyment of it. This is not a violation of anyone's constitutional rights. It's simply a moral imperative.

But the reason that child porn is wrong is because it involves sexually assaulting and/or exploiting a child to produce it, not because the very idea of someone having sexual fantasies involving children is somehow harmful to the fabric of the cosmos, or even just to society, itself. An idea is a private thing, utterly inert and meaningless in the absence of some action blooming from it. Reddit has the right (and the duty to their shareholders, given the effect on ad revenue) to ban whatever they want - though they are undoing their traditional libertarian stance on ideas in so doing, and should acknowledge this - but I don't see that there is some moral imperative to take action against those who enjoy it. I wouldn't ask someone who I knew to enjoy loli porn to babysit my nephews because, well, in all likelihood, there's a higher probability that such a person will also be a child molester of some kind, but taking actions against an entire group for the misdeeds of a few is a fascistic approach to justice that I simply cannot support.

Edit: And I'm not "defending" shit. Private forums have the right to do whatever they want. I'm responding to those in this thread that have specifically advocated for legal punishment of those possessing this garbage. I'm against the illegality of drugs, too, but I'd not defend them as anything but a self-obliterating menace. Fiscally, I'm quite far to the left, but socially, I favor a libertarian "leave people the fuck alone as much as is possible" approach.

 

[SapientWolf]

I don't understand why we haven't already taken everyone who enjoys or defends loli porn and put them into permanent quarantine.

Clarifying or fact checking aren't always the same thing as defending. And saying that something should be able to exist isn't the same as advocating for its existence. Sweeping everyone into the loli defender box has a chilling effect on the discussion.

Reddit hasn't gone in and systematically banned all the disgusting or harmful porn, so I'm thinking they're taking a pre-emptive step to avoid getting the wrong kind of attention. loli has been on the wrong side of obscenity law recently. So it's hard for me to say that they're taking the moral high road when /r/ProlapseSucking somehow exists. Maybe they're hoping this move draws attention away from the less than savory subreddits and their members.

 

[KazenY2J]

I don't understand why we haven't already taken everyone who enjoys or defends loli porn and put them into permanent quarantine.

The mods could care less as long as people aren't posting it.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

The mods could care less as long as people aren't posting it.

just how it should be, GAF is SFW forum.

 

[Mikesta]

The conviction that banning drawings is silly as hell no matter what they depict isn't exactly super outlandish. And I like my animu-sluts exclusively big-breasted with long legs (thanks for ruining me, SAILOR MARS), sorry for betraying your expectations.

And I'm sorry that you're a smelly, lumbering neckbeard who defends lolicon porn online.

 

[sensui-tomo]

And I'm sorry that you're a smelly, lumbering neckbeard who defends lolicon porn online.

Wow namecalling, what a way to prove your point.

just how it should be, GAF is SFW forum.

SFW my ass, have you seen the food threads? all that food porn.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

And I'm sorry that you're a smelly, lumbering neckbeard who defends lolicon porn online.

Boy, you're not much of a debater, are you?

 

[Mikesta]

Boy, you're not much of a debater, are you?

I gave him the respect he deserved, given that he just told me what kind of "anime sluts" he liked

 

[ModBot]

Time to close up shop.