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[FStop7]

what the fucking christ is a loli doujin? I'd rather not google it.

be brave, senpai

 

[AppleMIX]

It depends entirely on the context and can't be compared apples to apples. We're essentially arguing art yes? Art has a purpose in its depictions and explicit examples of drawn rape and murder can either be distasteful or necessary to narrative... although many would argue at this point that rape isn't necessary but that's digressionary.

The point being, explicit depictions of illegal acts can be necessary from a narrative standpoint. Explicit depictions of pornographic material have only one purpose. You can shroud it in narrative, but porn is porn and it would be up to the discretion of a judge or jury to determine if the examples were pornographic in nature or not.

Pornographic depictions of children or people have sex with children have no other purpose than to get off people with paraphilias. There is little wiggle room, if you ask me, to claim narrative relevance when an expository depiction would do just as well.

Then there is art in the more classical sense. That has significantly more wiggle room because the context is usually intentionally vague. Naked cherubic depictions of children are common, but obviously not pornographic. An explicit pornographic scene painted by an artist could be said to have the purpose to shock or be thought-provoking. But owning that I think couldn't be considering owning "child porn" as much as owning "distasteful art".

So, to sum up my rambling post, if the drawing's sole purpose is for pornography and that can be proved in court then the person owning the drawing or painting the drawing should receive some kind of criminal punishment.

Yes but rape porn exist.

By your own criteria.

It's made solely for the purpose of sexual gratification and it is also a horrific crime.

Do you want people to be arrested for owning drawings of rape made for the solely purpose of sexual gratification?

People will argue that it will lead to sexual assault of actual children but we don't put people in jail because they might do something or they engage in behavior that might lead to a crime.

 

[sensui-tomo]

what the fucking christ is a loli doujin? I'd rather not google it.

loli= young girl usually under the age of 14(15 too i think?)
Doujin = a work made by fans
the actual term people need to use is H-Doujin since some good works are Doujins like muv-luv (robot mecha) H= hentai by the way.

 

[DrBo42]

Yes they are, they're disgusting pieces of sub human shit.

I'd put them at the same level as those in /r/coontown or w/e.

I've been talking with a friend and now have a much greater understanding of it all. There are different subsets and styles of loli where only a certain portion of them are sexualized children while the others are just cutesy characters. I'd say maybe condemning the whole group is a bit much but there is definitely a portion that's into the super sexualized children type characters and that to me personally is where I can't abide.

 

[Ivan Amiibo]

I'm just not seeing the benefit of drawn child porn in any non-classical sense. As "art" it of course has a right to exist in private... but as loli doujin? That's a completely different context.

They look at the drawn shit instead of the real shit, I guess. I can see the argument, even agree with that, but it's still repulsive as hell and a site like reddit is not obligated to host it. I wouldn't want to be somewhere that hosts it. It's enough that people do their "wink wink, nod nod" shit here on gaf all the time.

 

[EdibleExplosives]

Independant manga drawn with highly sexualized and sometimes pornographic depictions of children.

loli= young girl usually under the age of 14(15 too i think?)
Doujin = a work made by fans
the actual term people need to use is H-Doujin since some good works are Doujins like muv-luv (robot mecha) H= hentai by the way.

Spoiler

Joking, obviously. I feel like I shouldn't need to point that out, but after some posts in this thread...

be brave, senpai

༼இɷஇ༽

 

[Vicetrailia]

Are there any anti-white places on Reddit? Or is it only white people who create such things?

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Banning animated pornography because of some high-minded "greater good" defense rooted in the specific nature of the pornography being morally objectionable is censorial nonsense. Unless you have specific evidence that the existence of lolicon contributes to the actual victimization of children in some measurable way, and that banning it would actually do anything other than make us feel good about ourselves, then it being vile and gross and a sign of some mental dysfunction on the part of the artist or consumer of it is not a compelling reason to ban it, whatsoever. Private websites certainly have every right not to host such things on their servers, but fuck the idea of using tax dollars to clog our jails with people enjoying a taboo in the confines of fantasy.

 

[sensui-tomo]

Spoiler

Joking, obviously. I feel like I shouldn't need to point that out, but after some posts in this thread...

These are definitely the threads where you HAVE to let people know if you're trying to have an intelligent conversation, joking/being sarcastic, because one wrong typo has led people to some perma bans in the past.

 

[marrec]

Yes but rape porn exist.

By your own criteria.

It's made solely for the purpose of sexual gratification and it is also a horrific crime.

Do you want people to be arrested for owning drawings of rape made for the solely purpose of sexual gratification?

People will argue that it will lead to sexual assault of actual children but we don't put people in jail because they might do something or they engage in behavior that might lead to a crime.

No, I think we can safely draw the line at child porn.

Rape fantasy is incredibly common and live action rape porn, while depicting a heinous act, is never actual snuff and is always between two consenting adults.

In fact, I think we can go ahead and just say that any porn involving adults is carte-blanche because sexuality and adulthood are inextricably linked. However depictions of children in a pornographic nature can easily be identified and discouraged or even outright banned.

Criminal prosecution could be reserved for the most extreme cases I suppose.

 

[Irminsul]

Joking, obviously. I feel like I shouldn't need to point that out, but after some posts in this thread...

Distinguishing between liking something and barely saying something should be able to exist seems to be pretty hard.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Are there any anti-white places on Reddit? Or is it only white people who create such things?

The few I saw were purely made as a parody response to the ones in the thread title.

 

[Jaymageck]

If you ban animated CP, then people will just search for the real stuff. Whether you like it or not, there are people out there who have no control over their attraction to children. Although I definitely don't think there should be a subreddit devoted to animated CP (there are other places for stuff like that), I would much rather have people look at drawings then for them to look at actual children.

I get that you're trying to defend the use of animated CP, but I think suggesting that all people who look at it are also interested in looking at the real thing (therefore meaning they have an attraction to real life children) is the wrong way to go about defending it. You just made this audience sound immediately more dangerous. Your slippery slope argument essentially suggests if we ban animated CP, they go to real CP. But if that's true, and real CP is also banned (which it is), then what, banning animated CP means they go straight to violating real kids?

You essentially just made it sound like people viewing animated material are just one step away from actually trying to rape kids and if that's true, then I think this is a problem that needs to be taken far more seriously and solved by a solution other than just allowing them to have free reign on looking at whatever extreme imagery artists flood the internet with.

 

[The Technomancer]

Yes? So is going postal, GTA style. And?

And...we tend to agree that racist ideas are bad ones, and have a much more complicated and conflicted relationship with violent ideas? And yet somehow are arguing weather pedophilic ideas are bad? Its not like the conversation around violence in media doesn't have merit, but its also not the same thing as pedophilia.

 

[EdibleExplosives]

Distinguishing between liking something and barely saying something should be able to exist seems to be pretty hard.

Probably because both tend to go hand in hand.

 

[marrec]

You know what.

You know what... this thread is great.

You know why? Because at least we aren't arguing that racists should be able to do their shit right now.

Loli gross anime is something that definitely deserves a conversation and thoughtful response... racism isn't and I'm glad there's nobody in here right now saying "bu-bu... who's it harming?!"

Also, we're comparing loli-doujin to racism. This thread is great.

 

[partyphone]

Are there any anti-white places on Reddit? Or is it only white people who create such things?

probably? but what are you trying to say? equating the two ignores the fundamental imbalance of racism in the western world. black individuals or communities may be prejudiced against whites but they lack institutional power. white people, on the other hand, have tremendous amounts of power and their prejudice makes life worse for a lot of people.

 

[Opto]

That's better.

damn

 

[FStop7]

Yes. I realize there's no point in arguing with these people.

Don't try to take the moral high ground.

 

[zoukka]

No, I think we can safely draw the line at child porn.

Rape fantasy is incredibly common and live action rape porn, while depicting a heinous act, is never actual snuff and is always between two consenting adults.

In fact, I think we can go ahead and just say that any porn involving adults is carte-blanche because sexuality and adulthood are inextricably linked. However depictions of children in a pornographic nature can easily be identified and discouraged or even outright banned.

Criminal prosecution could be reserved for the most extreme cases I suppose.

There are plenty of exploited people in the porn industry. What might be "tame" and clearly fantastical to you might be very disturbing, creepy and sick to many. I personally hate the idea of rape porn but it's better the sick fucks who watch it get their kick from there and not from real life.

 

[Jazz573]

Don't try to take the moral high ground.

I'm not trying to take any moral high ground. But thank you for providing me with my laugh for today.

 

[marrec]

There are plenty of exploited people in the porn industry. What might be "tame" and clearly fantastical to you might be very disturbing, creepy and sick to many. I personally hate the idea of rape porn but it's better the sick fucks who watch it get their kick from there and not from real life.

Sure but that's an issue with the industry, not with the idea of porn itself. I'm saying we can draw a very firm line between being okay with porn, and being okay with child porn.

 

[Ozigizo]

be brave, senpai

No don't. I just did it, and now I'm pretty sure I'm on a list somewhere.

 

[The Technomancer]

I have a question for you, please note i'm not trying to be offensive or anything and would just like to see some insight into your thought process. Do you believe that one gets to choose whom they are attracted to or they are born knowing whom said person is attracted to?

Do they choose their attraction? No. But that doesn't mean indulging in it doesn't reinforce or degrade it. Look, maybe if we have some studies showing that animated child porn does mitigate real life offense we'll be able to talk about its value, but until then why is it so hard to categorize it as "A Bad Thing"?

 

[Irminsul]

And yet somehow are arguing weather pedophilic ideas are bad?

I'm certainly not arguing whether they are bad. They are. I'm just saying that it doesn't matter, just as with (certain) violent ideas.

I mean, there certainly can be people who are inspired by GTA or whatever to go postal in a similar way (yes, that "inspired by GTA" sounds like some stupid media headline, I know). The vast, vast majority, however, aren't inspired by it. Because they would never, ever go on a killing spree. Maybe there are even people who like to be as violent as possible in virtual surroundings because they have to keep their act together in real life (not that they would kill someone otherwise, just that it is a nice way to keep your mind occupied).

And yes, I do think that logic can be applied to loli or whatever as well. Yes, the act can be viewed as even more depraved (though that is certainly another interesting discussion on its own), but I'd say that just ensures even fewer people get to be "inspired" by it.

 

[Jazz573]

What's even more bizarre, whether you agree with the ban or not is that they only banned loli subs but none of the shota (like lolicon except male) subs

 

[marrec]

I'm certainly not arguing whether they are bad. They are. I'm just saying that it doesn't matter, just as with (certain) violent ideas.

I mean, there certainly can be people who are inspired by GTA or whatever to go postal in a similar way (yes, that "inspired by GTA" sounds like some stupid media headline, I know). The vast, vast majority, however, aren't inspired by it. Because they would never, ever go on a killing spree. Maybe there are even people who like to be as violent as possible in virtual surroundings because they have to keep their act together in real life (not that they would kill someone otherwise, just that it is a nice way to keep your mind occupied).

And yes, I do think that logic can be applied to loli or whatever as well. Yes, the act can be viewed as even more depraved (though that is certainly another interesting discussion on its own), but I'd say that just ensures even fewer people get to be "inspired" by it.

Psychopathy and paraphilia are different things. While we don't have a firm footing on what GTA would do to someone with psychopathy, we have a pretty good understanding of paraphilias and how they're reinforced or even introduced.

What's even more bizarre, whether you agree with the ban or not is that they only banned loli subs but none of the shota (like lolicon except male) subs

Like with the original round of bans, you can be sure more will be coming. Shota subs are probably on a list somewhere being monitored by some horrified redditor for the next round.

 

[Irminsul]

Probably because both tend to go hand in hand.

What? No. Really, just no.

But in this case, I'm for the banning of everything HipHop, because I really don't want to be associated with that.

Spoiler

/s, obviously.

EDIT:

Psychopathy and paraphilia are different things. While we don't have a firm footing on what GTA would do to someone with psychopathy, we have a pretty good understanding of paraphilias and how they're reinforced or even introduced.

Really? We do? (Honest question, by the way)

 

[Karkador]

"inspired by" is a short -sighted term. People develop addictions that regularly pump up an abhorrent ideology. It's not just a reactionary "I saw this thing somewhere and decided to copy it".

 

[Opto]

What's even more bizarre, whether you agree with the ban or not is that they only banned loli subs but none of the shota (like lolicon except male) subs

Well they should ban that too.

 

[Frog-fu]

I don't even know why we're pretending there is any merit to the debate of whether fetishsising young children, explicitely or otherwise.

Pedophilia is wrong. By extension anything that facilitates, enables or gratifies pedophiles is wrong. It's very fucking simple.

 

[JDSN]

Yes but rape porn exist.

By your own criteria.

It's made solely for the purpose of sexual gratification and it is also a horrific crime.

Do you want people to be arrested for owning drawings of rape made for the solely purpose of sexual gratification?

People will argue that it will lead to sexual assault of actual children but we don't put people in jail because they might do something or they engage in behavior that might lead to a crime.

Studies find that the idea that rape porn will turn people into rapist as inconclusive , its widely accepted that consumption of child pornography will increase your chances of being child porn offender.

What? No. Really, just no.

But in this case, I'm for the banning of everything HipHop, because I really don't want to be associated with that.

Spoiler

/s, obviously.

EDIT:Really? We do? (Honest question, by the way)

Basically, a paraphillia is a kink that at some point hurts the patient or someone else, before that moment of harm or distress everything is normal, this new "patient" unless it has underlying issues will have their empathy intact, will have morality, will love, they will effectively look for help. A psychopath might lack most of those things. There might or might not be an overlap, therefore wrong to say that every pedophile is a compulsive, callous asshole that will not stop until castration.

 

[sensui-tomo]

Do they choose their attraction? No. But that doesn't mean indulging in it doesn't reinforce or degrade it. Look, maybe if we have some studies showing that animated child porn does mitigate real life offense we'll be able to talk about its value, but until then why is it so hard to categorize it as "A Bad Thing"?

Oh i can agree with you that its bad. The only thing i've done is this, I can't see fake = real meaning art doesnt = real life in the sense of Porn (racism exists in art) because until research is found that linking hentai/loli/fake animated works actually contributes to harm of actual kids, i see it as an escape for the poor people who have to live with this case and be shamed because no one wants to devote time into trying to help people with pedophilic urges who at worst look at the anime crap and never ever would think of touching a child but because society has the idea , pedophile ideas = YOU'RE A CHILD MOLESTER .. well thats whats what, and we have people here who like to say the same people who'd never touch a kid and would want help are the same as racist scum. I'm not going to say that fucking a child is in no way/shape/form OK, but i will remind you that people used to think that LGB people were like this and they had to go through all the scrutiny too.

Please know the difference between a child fucker and a person who was born with pedophilic thoughts and cant change them and if they could, would love to be attracted to something else but science/medicine cant help them at all because of the stigma attached to revealing that you have said thoughts.

Again people who look at anime porn/loli stuff = people who are trying to get off with their only escape and need help
People who look at real child porn= Breaking the law and watching stuff that has harmed people and thus should be punished/ need help
people who touch kids= SCUM that need help
pedophile does not = child molester 1 has an attraction, the other touched kid/s and has directly harmed another person.

I dont like loli anime/ whatever shit, hell i'm not attracted to kids. In case if that matters to anyone who would use my avatar and quote it to try and dismiss me.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

And...we tend to agree that racist ideas are bad ones, and have a much more complicated and conflicted relationship with violent ideas? And yet somehow are arguing weather pedophilic ideas are bad? Its not like the conversation around violence in media doesn't have merit, but its also not the same thing as pedophilia.

If someone imagines themselves engaging in sexual acts with a child every day of their lives, but never actually acts on it in any way, is what they're doing ethically wrong in some way? Do they have a right to that fantasy, or must they be disabused of it because it contributes to wrong in some kind of higher, immaterial sense?

So what is different if the (likely many) non-offending pedophiles then depict those fantasies via stylized drawings? In either case, no human being is harmed in any way. Perhaps the availability of such graphic depictions will increase the likelihood that there will be real-life sexual assaults of children, though I think it would be quite difficult to actually prove that, but even then, does the possibility that that thing might create some real-world wrong automatically necessitate that it should be banned? I don't think so, else one could ban alcohol, because its availability means that drunk driving, sexual assaults, property damage, and other such public ills will occur, yet even most non-drinkers accept that it's important to preserve the freedom of those who will use it without transgressing against society in some kind of bigger way and to reserve punishment for those who actually do some kind of tangible wrong, even if they might still look down on drinkers more generally.

Pedophilia absolutely disgusting. Someone very close to me was victimized as a child, and it scarred her for a long time afterward. But true tolerance in a society that is pluralistic in both physical and ideological ways requires a distinction between thoughts and deeds, and pedophilic fantasies are in a whole other moral and legal realm than actual pedophilic acts and must be treated as such.

 

[è£ ç”²æ‚ªé¬¼æ‘æ­£]

Banning animated pornography because of some high-minded "greater good" defense rooted in the specific nature of the pornography being morally objectionable is censorial nonsense. Unless you have specific evidence that the existence of lolicon contributes to the actual victimization of children in some measurable way, and that banning it would actually do anything other than make us feel good about ourselves, then it being vile and gross and a sign of some mental dysfunction on the part of the artist or consumer of it is not a compelling reason to ban it, whatsoever. Private websites certainly have every right not to host such things on their servers, but fuck the idea of using tax dollars to clog our jails with people enjoying a taboo in the confines of fantasy.

What he said. This whole discussion is always so incredibly knee-jerky in nature.

And besides, there is just no way to overcome the fact that you're talking about drawings with any kind of truly coherent argument. It's pretty much inherently silly to call something child porn that involves no children. So I kind of understand why everything has to come down to knee jerk reactions appealing to emotion. Yeah dude, I get it, it's icky. It also doesn't contribute anything at all to the evils of this world, so, whatever?

 

[marrec]

Really? We do? (Honest question, by the way)

We do yes, empirically it's not 100% certain of course, but therapeutic psychology of paraphilias is a well researched and understood branch of psychology. Cognitive behavioral therapy has been amassing evidence for years and is generally accepted as THE therapeutic treatment of paraphilias.

This usually involves identifying triggers of desires and managing them through various means. Not immersing yourself in the paraphilia you're afflicted with.

The extant literature appears to suggest that internet offenders do display clinical symptoms relating to intimacy and social skills deficits, deviant sexual interest, emotional dysregulation and offense-supportive cognitions, and hence there is now potential scope to ‘unpack’ the biological and neuropsychological assumptions of the ITSO

http://www.researchgate.net/profile..._offenders/links/542e5c9d0cf277d58e8ea8b9.pdf

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Oh i can agree with you that its bad. The only thing i've done is this, I can't see fake = real meaning art doesnt = real life in the sense of Porn (racism exists in art) because until research is found that linking hentai/loli/fake animated works actually contributes to harm of actual kids, i see it as an escape for the poor people who have to live with this case and be shamed because no one wants to devote time into trying to help people with pedophilic urges who at worst look at the anime crap and never ever would think of touching a child but because society has the idea , pedophile ideas = YOU'RE A CHILD MOLESTER .. well thats whats what, and we have people here who like to say the same people who'd never touch a kid and would want help are the same as racist scum. I'm not going to say that fucking a child is in no way/shape/form OK, but i will remind you that people used to think that LGB people were like this and they had to go through all the scrutiny too.

Please know the difference between a child fucker and a person who was born with pedophilic thoughts and cant change them and if they could, would love to be attracted to something else but science/medicine cant help them at all because of the stigma attached to revealing that you have said thoughts.

Again people who look at anime porn/loli stuff = people who are trying to get off with their only escape and need help
People who look at real child porn= Breaking the law and watching stuff that has harmed people and thus should be punished/ need help
people who touch kids= SCUM that need help
pedophile does not = child molester 1 has an attraction, the other touched kid/s and has directly harmed another person.

So how about getting some actual medical and psychological help and not try to indulge your problem in a quasi legal manner?

Do you think it is helpful for someone that has pedo thoughts to look at cartoon cp?

 

[dave is ok]

What's even more bizarre, whether you agree with the ban or not is that they only banned loli subs but none of the shota (like lolicon except male) subs

It took me like three seconds to find a partial list of banned subreddits.

/r/pomf
/r/lolicons
/r/shota
/r/lolishota
/r/lolifeet
/r/Tacticallolis
/r/NotLoli

I'm guessing some of those were "shota"

 

[zoukka]

Sure but that's an issue with the industry, not with the idea of porn itself. I'm saying we can draw a very firm line between being okay with porn, and being okay with child porn.

I can draw a very clear line between porn and rape themed porn.

 

[AppleMIX]

Studies find that the idea that rape porn will turn people into rapist as inconclusive , its widely accepted that consumption of child pornography will increase your chances of being child porn offender.

And that is completely irrelevant.

Do you have a study specifically showing that consumption for lolicon pornography leads to consumption of child pornography/child porn offender?

Even so, increasing someone chances of committing a crime is not a crime.

 

[marrec]

I can draw a very clear line between porn and rape themed porn.

That's irrelevant to your point however that the porn industry is exploitative. Unless you mean to suggest that rape fantasy porn is more exploitative than the industry as a whole.

 

[Nickle]

I get that you're trying to defend the use of animated CP, but I think suggesting that all people who look at it are also interested in looking at the real thing (therefore meaning they have an attraction to real life children) is the wrong way to go about defending it. You just made this audience sound immediately more dangerous. Your slippery slope argument essentially suggests if we ban animated CP, they go to real CP. But if that's true, and real CP is also banned (which it is), then what, banning animated CP means they go straight to violating real kids?

You essentially just made it sound like people viewing animated material are just one step away from actually trying to rape kids and if that's true, then I think this is a problem that needs to be taken far more seriously and solved by a solution other than just allowing them to have free reign on looking at whatever extreme imagery artists flood the internet with.

I'm not too familiar with the loli community, but I assume that most of them have no attraction to real children, and they only like the sexualized versions of children that the drawings portray. However, I'm just concerned with the people who are attracted to real children.

Edit: I just think that easier access to animated CP may give some people incentive to look at that over real CP.

 

[ElFly]

We do yes, empirically it's not 100% certain of course, but therapeutic psychology of paraphilias is a well researched and understood branch of psychology. Cognitive behavioral therapy has been amassing evidence for years and is generally accepted as THE therapeutic treatment of paraphilias.

This usually involves identifying triggers of desires and managing them through various means. Not immersing yourself in the paraphilia you're afflicted with.

I thought there was no way to treat pedophiles tho.

Which may not be the issue here, whether consuming drawn CP will make you into a pedophile, but it seems the brain of the more persistent pedophiles just does not react at all to psychological treatment.

 

[SliceSabre]

My two cents on this whole thing is that I don't actually care at all that any of these sub-reddits simply existed. What do I care that there is a racist, sexist or animated porn reddit out there? They have no effect on my reddit viewing habits and I have absolutely no problem with them being there.

The only issue I ever had was with the way they got rid of some other sub-reddits and then put their foots in their mouths when it came to other ones. It is their site so they can choose what they want on it, but don't be hypocritical and think people won't call you out on it.

 

[Jazz573]

It took me like three seconds to find a partial list of banned subreddits.

/r/pomf
/r/lolicons
/r/shota
/r/lolishota
/r/lolifeet
/r/Tacticallolis
/r/NotLoli

I'm guessing some of those were "shota"

There were still some shota subs not banned. I don't agree with the ban, but if you are going to ban it, you need to be consistent in how you do it.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

And that is completely irrelevant.

Do you have a study specifically showing that consumption for lolicon pornography leads to consumption of child pornography/child porn offender.

Even so, increasing someone chances of committing a crime is not a crime.

Is that really the argument being made though?

I keep seeing people say, its better that they look at this so they don't act on their urges. Do you have any data that says that looking at cartoon cp stops, prevents or is anyways beneficial for pedo's?

I'm not too familiar with the loli community, but I assume that most of them have no attraction to real children, and they only like the sexualized versions of children that the drawings portray. However, I'm just concerned with the people who are attracted to real children.

Why would someone like looking at cartoon cp? I would wager it is because it is 'legal' and they know the other is going to put them in jail. Honestly though, why do people like to look at cartoon cp?

 

[sensui-tomo]

So how about getting some actual medical and psychological help and not try to indulge your problem in a quasi legal manner?

Do you think it is helpful for someone that has pedo thoughts to look at cartoon cp?

IF there is a way to get rid of sexual urges, then i'm all for these people with pedophilic thoughts to go there and try to get help (i dont think there is much study for the cure of pedophilic urges), IF it doesnt help that, then i'd say cartoon CP is the lesser evil and is the best way for them to get through their urges, however once they feel the need to touch a child/look at real children, they HAVE to get help ASAP because touching a child is WRONG/ looking at CP means someone was harmed in the process and thats wrong. Its a bad enabler, but if there is a 100% way to get rid of pedophilia in the head then people should automatically go that route. They'll have a new fetish to go towards.

 

[User 73706]

Avatar quoting is incredibly immature. It only serves to alienate others, and is in fact against the rules, and many have been banned in the past for doing so.

animeavatar.jpeg

 

[NoblesseOblige]

There were still some shota subs not banned. I don't agree with the ban, but if you are going to ban it, you need to be consistent in how you do it.

There are also some loli subs that continue to exist. They will be banned as they're found by Reddit staff. Not like there's just a switch they flipped that can instantly find what subs are loli. Especially when the makers of some subs use rather cryptic names.

 

[marrec]

I thought there was no way to treat pedophiles tho.

Which may not be the issue here, whether consuming drawn CP will make you into a pedophile, but it seems the brain of the more persistent pedophiles just does not react at all to psychological treatment.

Most studies draw a line between casual paraphilia and criminal paraphilia, true, but the treatment outlined above is the most effective currently. I don't know any studies off hand that could quantify the efficacy though

There were still some shota subs not banned. I don't agree with the ban, but if you are going to ban it, you need to be consistent in how you do it.

They are being consistent, but it's obviously not something that they make a decision on quickly. You should be happy that they're taking their time before they ban gross shit.