Reddit [verified] User shares NX info: x86 Architecture, Second screen support etc.

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Plinko said:
So I would ignore everything in the OP. LCGeek is the only one we should be listening to at this point.
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LCGeek said this earlier in the thread.

LCGeek said:
Cause most of gaf and net who understand speculation or theory would like more proof. One detail doesn't make up for what I had last time or what others in better positions than me would have. Look how off people were the last 2 gens. This reddit rumor is legit but not context which is why I put up that red flag in a topic that basically is skyrocketing much quicker than other nintendo pre launch spec wars.
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Oh well, it was an interesting thread at least. I guess we'll find out soon enough what's what.


Edit: I still think the guy is legit tho, he just made an honest mistake interpreting second had info, I reckon.
 
Okay so now the OP is being brought into question? A "verified" user?

I guess at this point we'll just have to hear the details from Nintendo themselves. No one else is trustworthy.

I really hope we get something at the end of this month.
 
Graphics Horse said:
Haha the subreddit mods have now banned 'insider'/'leak' posts. party's over guys.
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I consider this a sound decision.

The recent situation of leaks/insiders is getting out of hand. The lack of knowledge about NX and its concept is not in my opinion an acceptable reason to start distributing disinformation. Whether these actions have succeeded in stimulating hype I will not comment on, but going forward I hope we do not endure yet another period where sophistication remains limited, and where the hype of NX not always match the reality.
 
Better LCGeek creates a new thread with a list of real info. That way we're almost sure we are discussing the correct information about the NX.

Maybe for all verified neogaf members. They even can confirm if new information is true or not.
 
Doctre81 said:
NX is launching next year though. :)
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We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

Jackano said:
Havn't seen Thraktor's post indeed (timezones sucks), but if tech-GAF or Thraktor himself can give expanded advice on this:


I remember the AMD winning every video game related markets but, it can apply to just CPU for what we know, iirc?
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There are numerous reasons why AMD would be strongly assumed to provide the GPU (and hence SoC) for the NX home console:


  • Nintendo have followed the same GPU team since the N64 (the Silicon Graphics team which created the N64 GPU left to found ArtX, who designed the GPU used in Gamecube and Wii, who were purchased by ATI, who were purchased by AMD, who designed the GPU used in Wii U)
  • AMD winning Sony and MS's business suggests they're willing to offer a better deal than Nvidia
  • Using a similar GCN GPU architecture to PS4 and XBO would simplify things for third parties
  • AMD announced in December 2014 that they'd won two semi-custom designs, at least one of which is gaming, and which are due to ship in late 2016. In January 2016, AMD re-confirmed that one of their semi-custom wins is due to ship late 2016. It's now in theory possible that this is PS4K, but the timing aligns almost exactly with what we'd expect for NX.
Including both the GPU and CPU on the same die (i.e. in a SoC) is by far the most sensible for Nintendo. Not only does it allow for a high-bandwidth low-latency connection between the CPU and GPU, but it's actually quite a bit cheaper than using two separate dies*. That being the case, if AMD is providing the GPU, the CPU would have to be one which AMD could include on-die with it, which limits things to either AMD's in-house cores or ARM reference designs.

*In general. In theory if both the CPU and GPU were large dies on an immature, low-yield node it might end up cheaper to keep them separate, but that won't be the case here.
 
Peterc said:
Better LCGeek creates a new thread with a list of real info. That way we're almost sure we are discussing the correct information about the NX.

Maybe for all verified neogaf members. They even can confirm if new information is true or not.
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The only hard information he gave us is that the CPU is better than Sony's or Microsoft's. Everything else like developer reception, price, etc was personal opinion.
 
DaSorcerer7 said:
Did a search, he did actually.
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Don't see anywhere that he specifies that the nx cpu is x86, only lists comparisons

ozfunghi said:
Seeing as the REDDIT rumors are likely BS, maybe it's better to make a new topic with the LCGeek "leak" concerning the NX>>>>>XBO>>PS4 CPU, added with Thraktor's CPU "guide" for NX.

I think that kind of information is a lot more helpful.

PS: to those discussing the Nintendo game using UE... i think the original Metroid Prime had some UE2 code somewhere, but it was not really used in game. I remember people thinking it was running on a highly modded UE2, but later that was debunked i believe.
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No unreal code in metroid prime. There was a thread on here years ago debunking all of that iirc
 
Thraktor said:
There are numerous reasons why AMD would be strongly assumed to provide the GPU (and hence SoC) for the NX home console:


STUFF
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I see, that's valid points (except for the 3rd party one, who cares about that when designing a hardware in Kyoto), thanks for the answer. Just in case, humor me NeoGAF keeps an eye open on Nvidia.
 
Karanlos said:
Must've changed it then. Miiverse was add and accept but I remember the Friendlist being different and you both had to add each other :S?
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At no point did you enter in friend codes on the Wii U...and both Miiverse and the Friendslist allowed you to send invitations and accept them. You're confusing it for the 3DS or something
 
UnemployedVillain said:
At no point did you enter in friend codes on the Wii U...and both Miiverse and the Friendslist allowed you to send invitations and accept them. You're confusing it for the 3DS or something
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Wasn't talking about friendcodes but NNID.

From the Kotaku link:
You type in their Nintendo Network name. They then have to type in yours at some point. After that... voila! You're friends in the system.
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As I was trying to say if you added via the friendlist no invitation popped up on your friends side but rather (s)he had to add you too. This was when it released don't know about today.
 
Karanlos said:
Wasn't talking about friendcodes but NNID.

From the Kotaku link:


As I was trying to say if you added via the friendlist no invitation popped up on your friends side but rather (s)he had to add you too. This was when it released don't know about today.
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that's old one. in one of the update (can't remember when) they changed it to the standard send-accept request even w/o using miiverse
 
Thraktor said:
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.



There are numerous reasons why AMD would be strongly assumed to provide the GPU (and hence SoC) for the NX home console:


  • Nintendo have followed the same GPU team since the N64 (the Silicon Graphics team which created the N64 GPU left to found ArtX, who designed the GPU used in Gamecube and Wii, who were purchased by ATI, who were purchased by AMD, who designed the GPU used in Wii U)
  • AMD winning Sony and MS's business suggests they're willing to offer a better deal than Nvidia
  • Using a similar GCN GPU architecture to PS4 and XBO would simplify things for third parties
  • AMD announced in December 2014 that they'd won two semi-custom designs, at least one of which is gaming, and which are due to ship in late 2016. In January 2016, AMD re-confirmed that one of their semi-custom wins is due to ship late 2016. It's now in theory possible that this is PS4K, but the timing aligns almost exactly with what we'd expect for NX.
Including both the GPU and CPU on the same die (i.e. in a SoC) is by far the most sensible for Nintendo. Not only does it allow for a high-bandwidth low-latency connection between the CPU and GPU, but it's actually quite a bit cheaper than using two separate dies*. That being the case, if AMD is providing the GPU, the CPU would have to be one which AMD could include on-die with it, which limits things to either AMD's in-house cores or ARM reference designs.

*In general. In theory if both the CPU and GPU were large dies on an immature, low-yield node it might end up cheaper to keep them separate, but that won't be the case here.
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I always love your posts, but I think it will have to be 14nm for a couple reasons.

1. If NX is more powerful than a PS4, it can't be the same manufacturing node, Nintendo simply doesn't have the desire to create a console so big and power hungry, it just goes against everything they have done in the past 3 generations.

2. Nintendo would have to use Polaris to achieve a faster clock or better performance per clock, which can only be produced at 14nm afaik.

NX is looking to be an (A72) 8 core ARM based console with 2ghz+ clock (if LCgeek's arrows mean anything?) and at least (polaris) 12 CUs @ 1GHz for 1.536 TFLOPs with each flop out performing GCN.

It is either this, or Nintendo is creating a console as big, loud and power hungry as PS4, which just doesn't sound realistic.
 
Read thread...head explodes.

Why the hell have i been a junior member for like 3 years now? Someone leak that to me?
 
NESpowerhouse said:
Is there a link?
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Here

LCGeek said:
I've stated before and since any specs were revealed this gen most would have shitty cpus this turned out to be true, so to be fair my own perspective is skewed.

amd 8350 stock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NX>>>>> X1 >> PS4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wii U. All 3 of big 3 manufacturers got this issue wrong, yet I know next gen 2 of them won't cause they tend to do a decent job. Nintendo isn't impressing anyone.
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z0m3le said:
I always love your posts, but I think it will have to be 14nm for a couple reasons.

1. If NX is more powerful than a PS4, it can't be the same manufacturing node, Nintendo simply doesn't have the desire to create a console so big and power hungry, it just goes against everything they have done in the past 3 generations.

2. Nintendo would have to use Polaris to achieve a faster clock or better performance per clock, which can only be produced at 14nm afaik.

NX is looking to be an (A72) 8 core ARM based console with 2ghz+ clock (if LCgeek's arrows mean anything?) and at least (polaris) 12 CUs @ 1GHz for 1.536 TFLOPs with each flop out performing GCN.

It is either this, or Nintendo is creating a console as big, loud and power hungry as PS4, which just doesn't sound realistic.
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PS4 already uses less power in its newer models compared to D1, i think it's around 115W now.

Nintendo will also never use GDDR5. DDR3/4/LPDDR4 and a SoC with GCN 1.2+ARM use a lot less power than what the PS4 has. Then there is all that speculation about them using game cards, and that makes another huge difference compared to a blu-ray player.

They can cut a lot of corners to have a sub-100W console that outperforms PS4.
 
It is either this, or Nintendo is creating a console as big, loud and power hungry as PS4
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Never heard the PS4 described this way. PS4 would have been a perfect Nintendo system.

Small
Relatively cheap to make
Easy to program for afaik
 
Also, until it is cement, I don't think Nintendo would use x86 if they are trying to build a single architecture, they have 1 team that is making 2 or more devices. They would want to be able to make the software for these devices such as OS and drivers, compatible across the handheld and console. To do that, you'd have to use the same CPU architecture, it is possible that Nintendo went crazy and decided that they should just work harder to not do these things, but it isn't likely IMO.

TL;DR: NX is likely ARM because the handheld has to be.
 
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