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[Mihail]

Give that some thought.

Yes, yes, the changing a quote around to make an analogy is very clever but what's important to soundwave's point is that Sony (and to a lesser extent Microsoft) are much better at being "cool." They specialize in making sexy products that appeal to lustful impulses. That's why it would impractical for Nintendo to compete head on using that strategy.

 

[DrGAKMAN]

Nintendo will come up with yet another crazy controller that will piss off 3rd party developpers.

Some people (gamers & game makers) are going to not like Nintendo no matter what they do. It isn't about Nintendo doing right or wrong...it's about OPINION. If it weren't a "goofy" controller it would be about the smaller GCN discs or lack of online or small purple cube or kiddie approach or "insert negative Nintendo comment here". Love 'em or hate 'em each company or fanboy has their own gripe wether justified or not...it is ALL OPINION in the end so oh well.

I'm trying to post constructivly and speculate on what Nintendo is going to do. I think there's going to be a traditional/non-alienating controller for Revolution...BUT...but I also believe Nintendo is going to push a new type of controller (and/or peripherals) as well. The Revolution will most likely have wireless communication which leaves it wide open to more than just ONE type of controller interface.

 

[SantaC]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Is there something in the water at Nintendo that makes people delusional?

You mean that reggie should have said that sony can't be beaten?

 

[ManaByte]

Nintendo knows there's no point in making a "me too!" copy of the PS3, Microsoft is already doing that and the odds are against them already. For Nintendo it would be even tougher if they went that route.

No, they need to make a "me too!" copy of the PS3; that's their problem. Look what Microsoft did with the Xbox, they made a more powerful copy of the PS2 and the result (in the US) was that they are now on pretty much equal consumer mindshare as Sony. Before the Xbox launched, Nintendo fans said it would fail for trying to copy Sony and the Cube would destroy it for being a gaming only console. The complete opposite happened because consumers like what Sony brings to the table, and Microsoft benefitted from copying that model. If Nintendo had any sort of clue and hope for their future they would look at Microsoft did to become a success and do the same damn thing. But they don't have a clue and they want to be "teh innovative" and baffle the industry and consumers even more.

 

[-SRV-]

The millions of people who play MMORPGS, FPS, and assorted on-line games will say you are wrong. In fact, they would say you don't know what the hell you are talking about.


Gaming by yourself = 40-80 hours (average) gameplay
Gaming with others online = infinite hours of gameplay

Any "costs" related to going online is negated by increasing a titles gameplay 10 fold.

Vs. the many many many millions who don't play online and say I'm right? The numbers are definetly on my side. Sorry to burst your bubble. You still haven't addressed the cheaters, hacks, etc. So, please tell me, do you actually enjoy spoiler people when playing online? And yes, $10-12 extra per month is not worth it to the majority of gamers, myself included. Comparing 40 hours of worthwhile concentrated gameplay with a storyline vs. infinite time spent mindlessly leveling up is a wonderful comparison. Thanks. I could not have supported my position better. FPS and fighting games would be suited very well to online, other genres, not nearly so. Of course, having friends and family over and playing, no matter the genre, is better than online anyday.


Just noticed, I'm a "member" now. My opinion officially counts. You, being a junior member means your opinion does not count. j/k

 

[gofreak]

Nintendo will come up with yet another crazy controller that will piss off 3rd party developpers.

3rd party developers who want to port. Which is a lot, if not all of them, unfortunately. But Nintendo has said on numerous occasions now that they don't like multiplatform titles, so I doubt they'll be afraid of pissing them off in that respect.

Hopefully they can get creative juices flowing at game developers with this as they apparently have with DS. Although I'm sure some of that DS-related juice boiled over due to the mere prospect of "a Nintendo handheld! $$!".

 

[ManaByte]

You still haven't addressed the cheaters, hacks, etc. .

That doesn't exist on Xbox Live. It does on PS2 Online, but not Xbox.

3rd party developers who want to port. Which is a lot, if not all of them, unfortunately. But Nintendo has said on numerous occasions now that they don't like multiplatform titles, so I doubt they'll be afraid of pissing them off in that respect.
.

Yamauchi was once heard saying "We have two enemies: Third parties and consumers."

 

[soundwave05]

ManaByte --

Well Nintendo isn't in the same boat as Microsoft, they're not going to take $100-$150/loss on a piece of hardware like MS did with the XBox.

Secondly, we're talking about the year 2005 now. That ship has already sailed. They can't make Revolution a "me too PS3!" because Microsoft is already doing that. You can "shouda, would've, could've" all you want now, but that's the reality.

What's done is done. Nintendo has to move on, they can't *now* make a PS3 "clone" and think people are going to buy it over the PS3. Would you?

The game industry does not need another "PS3 type" console, there's already two systems coming out that do that, what's the point of having three hardware platforms if they're all the same thing? Someone needs to do something different.

 

[ManaByte]

ManaByte --

Well Nintendo isn't in the same boat as Microsoft, they're not going to take $100-$150/loss on a piece of hardware like MS did with the XBox.

Secondly, we're talking about the year 2005 now. That ship has already sailed. They can't make Revolution a "me too PS3!" because Microsoft is already doing that. You can "shouda, would've, could've" all you want now, but that's the reality.

What's done is done. Nintendo has to move on, they can't *now* make a PS3 "clone" and think people are going to buy it over the PS3. Would you?

If they have any clue and hope to survive they will have to take a loss on hardware and would have to copy Sony. They cannot rely on their handheld market to pull in money for them anymore. Just because Microsoft is already copying Sony it does not mean Nintendo shouldn't.

Exactly Nintendo has to move on. They need to bite the bullet and put their games on the PSP, PS3, and Xbox2 to keep the Nintendo name alive.. Their handheld dominance (and primary source of cash) is over.

 

[radioheadrule83]

Totally Batshit Insane.

As accurate as my having both a mouth and anus.

 

[-SRV-]

That doesn't exist on Xbox Live. It does on PS2 Online, but not Xbox.

So, there are no jerks or @ssholes on Xbox live? Okay....

 

[soundwave05]

If they have any clue and hope to survive they will have to take a loss on hardware and would have to copy Sony. They cannot rely on their handheld market to pull in money for them anymore. Just because Microsoft is already copying Sony it does not mean Nintendo shouldn't.

Exactly Nintendo has to move on. They need to bite the bullet and put their games on the PSP, PS3, and Xbox2 to keep the Nintendo name alive.. Their handheld dominance (and primary source of cash) is over.

If they followed your business plan I gauruntee they'd end up like Sega in five to ten years.

You can't "out-Sony" Sony.

If Sony attracts more PC devs thanks to the Nvidia chipset and gets a big FPS franchise of their own, Microsoft is in big shit themselves, let alone Nintendo.

Do not underestimate how ruthless Kutaragi is.

Nintendo can walk away from all of this and become the largest anime company in the world (and they probably will be if they're serious about it) with $7 billion in the bank, and continue to supply video game software, probably not as a third party because other corporations would probably love to bring them onboard as an exclusive partner.

 

[SomeDude]

At times like these I'm really glad Sony entered the console business. Nintendo is delusional.

 

[ManaByte]

So, there are no jerks or @ssholes on Xbox live? Okay....

You said "cheaters, hacks, etc." You didn't say anything about jerks or assholes.

 

[JayFro]

1)Gain the best third party support.
2)Coming to the market at the same time
3).Offer an innovative experience


FIXED!

 

[-SRV-]

If they have any clue and hope to survive they will have to take a loss on hardware and would have to copy Sony. They cannot rely on their handheld market to pull in money for them anymore. Just because Microsoft is already copying Sony it does not mean Nintendo shouldn't.

Exactly Nintendo has to move on. They need to bite the bullet and put their games on the PSP, PS3, and Xbox2 to keep the Nintendo name alive.. Their handheld dominance (and primary source of cash) is over.

? this relates to reality, how?

 

[Ulairi]

If Sony attracts more PC devs thanks to the Nvidia chipset and gets a big FPS franchise of their own, Microsoft is in big shit themselves, let alone Nintendo

Going with a Nvidia chipset will have nothing to do with attracting PC developers.

 

[soundwave05]

Why not?

Wasn't one of the supposed big knocks on the PS3 that it would be some insanely "alien" architecture and devs especailly PC-specific devs would back Microsoft?

Having an Nvidia GPU will help Sony in getting a lot of that support.

If Sony is actively seeking a "killer app" FPS for the PS3, I think Microsoft is also in deep, deep shit.

Don't assume that Sony somehow only targets Nintendo and is all lovey dovey with Microsoft, they are going to get down right fuggin' nasty with MS, you better believe it.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Is there something in the water at Nintendo that makes people delusional?

Well he wouldn't be a very good PR man if he talked about the necessary steps to sometimes touch Sony's boots.

No, they need to make a "me too!" copy of the PS3; that's their problem. Look what Microsoft did with the Xbox, they made a more powerful copy of the PS2 and the result (in the US) was that they are now on pretty much equal consumer mindshare as Sony.

Also Halo. And eventual GTA ports.

 

[-SRV-]

You said "cheaters, hacks, etc." You didn't say anything about jerks or assholes.

Did too in the original post that the junior member responded to and quoted me. I used etc. so I wouldn't have to waste my time.

y Posted by -SRV-:




Untrue. Nearly always untrue. Cheaters. hackers. @ssholes. Extra cost. No storyline. Need I go on?

 

[ge-man]

Nintendo can walk away from all of this and become the largest anime company in the world (and they probably will be if they're serious about it) with $7 billion in the bank, and continue to supply video game software, probably not as a third party because other corporations would probably love to bring them onboard as an exclusive partner.

Another key point. Nintendo has options here, there's no law that says they have to keep making consoles at all even. I honestly believe that they will eventually become portable only while branching off into film production and traditional toys. This is why I can never understand all the doom predictions.

 

[soundwave05]

At this point Nintendo would have to invest billions to really compete with Sony.

They'd have to be willing to take monsterous hardware losses, even larger than Sony, since Sony gets their electronic components at cheaper prices than MS or Nintendo can (they have their own electronic division for crying out loud).

They'd have to be willing to totally remake their marketing campaign and spend far more money marketing.

They'd have to be willing to spend far more money to outbid Sony and Microsoft on third party titles.

They'd have to increase their internal software divisions to create "cool" software.

And even if they did all that, most people would probably still be inclined to choose Playstation 3, simply because they trust the Sony/Playstation brand and are comfortable with it.

Face it guys, that ship has sailed for Nintendo, if Nintendo was going to do that it would have happened years ago, by now its just too hard.

 

[ManaByte]

Did too in the original post that the junior member responded to and quoted me. I used etc. so I wouldn't have to waste my time.

This is the post I was responding to:

I didn't see your original post as I usually don't pay much attention to Junior Member posts bashing online gaming.

 

[Joe]

maybe its nintendo as a company that needs a revolution, not the entire industry.

 

[-SRV-]

Well he wouldn't be a very good PR man if he talked about the necessary steps to sometimes touch Sony's boots.


Also Halo. And eventual GTA ports.

Like I said a few weeks back, Halo DS would mean the handheld war is over right then and there. Note that Rare still does GBA games. (Flame retardent suit on).

 

[soundwave05]

Another key point. Nintendo has options here, there's no law that says they have to keep making consoles at all even. I honestly believe that they will eventually become portable only while branching off into film production and traditional toys. This is why I can never understand all the doom predictions.

Yup, even if Nintendo said "we don't want to work with either Microsoft or Sony, go fuck yourselves", there would be a huge bidding war unlike anything ever seen in this industry between corporations like Apple, Walt Disney, Time Warner-AOL, NEC, Panasonic, etc. to get Nintendo to work under them. Lots of companies want what Sony has done with the game market, but without a software division, they don't jump into the market. But with Nintendo ...

I think Nintendo already has that exit strategy planned out if it comes to that. They will focus more on becoming a movie/anime company, they can easily outclass the likes of Bandai/Hasbro/4 Kids etc.

 

[Hollywood]

Nintendo's messed around with input a lot. It's going to be one on a few things for Revolution .. just look at their past:

Input: they brought the D-pad and Analog to mainstream (I dont care if some failing console did it 5 years before on a periphiral, Nintendo is the one who made analog and D-pad work)

Rumble: Rumble pak, which was a new way to feel stuff in games ... a staple in games now, even if it goes unnoticed.

Touch: The DS touch screen, there's a good chance something liek that could be on it.

2nd screen: The DS, connections from GBA/GC ... probably somethingl ike a VMU in the next controller

Motion: Those GBA games that you move the system around

Wireless: The Wavebird is the best Wireless controller ever invented, and the next system by default will likely be wireless

Connection: To Nintendo's portable systems. I bet the DS connects to it, not on all games but certain ones.


The simplest explanation for the revolution is a wireless controller than goes to it, with a VMU like screen on it. You could play minigames over other controllers with the screen on it, play on the Revolution, play against DS people in certain games, and against GBA people. It will be all interconnected in one way or another.

 

[DrGAKMAN]

ManaByte --

Well Nintendo isn't in the same boat as Microsoft, they're not going to take $100-$150/loss on a piece of hardware like MS did with the XBox.

Secondly, we're talking about the year 2005 now. That ship has already sailed. They can't make Revolution a "me too PS3!" because Microsoft is already doing that. You can "shouda, would've, could've" all you want now, but that's the reality.

What's done is done. Nintendo has to move on, they can't *now* make a PS3 "clone" and think people are going to buy it over the PS3. Would you?

The game industry does not need another "PS3 type" console, there's already two systems coming out that do that, what's the point of having three hardware platforms if they're all the same thing? Someone needs to do something different.

Agreed...in a straight out pissing contest...Nintendo would lose 'cos: A) they don't play the lose money to gain marketshare business & B) no matter what they did they won't be perceived as bigger/badder/better than two GIANTS in business/technology/entertainment by the mainstream casual consumer. When consumers think MS they think: "they have money, they'll buy their way to the top"...when they think Sony: "they're already on top and they're really cool..no one is cooler"...but when people think of Nintendo they think: "I like Nintendo games, but N64 & GCN were dissappointing" so again...the pissing contest just won't work for them 'cos they don't have the money to compete with MS or the coolness to compete with Sony.

When was the last time Nintendo has really GARNERED serious 3RD party support? When they were on top with the NES, SNES & to a certain extend the GameBoy brand. And how did they do that? Did they buy their way to the top...did they pay out the ass for exclussives...did they bend over backwords to attract 3RD parties? NO...they heavily relied on THEMSELVES for the first year or so of all those systems and due to that they gained huge user-bases that thusly attracted 3RD parties. Times have changed and I don't think that would work to the same extend it used to with all the competition out there now...BUT...by Revolution being a different and innovative type of gaming experience than the competition heavily reliant on Nintendo's own games that could garner not only the Nintendo userbase, but also new types of gamers due to new types of gameplay interfaces. A market of people sorta un-tapped by anyone yet...if Nintendo can get them and grow their userbase then 3RD parties will follow.

 

[soundwave05]

If the Revolution has no buttons/joystick/d-pad, you can't really say Nintendo didn't drop any hints about it.

Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat, Odama, Mario Party VI, the Nintendo DS touch screen are all attempts to move beyond the regular control interface.

Maybe with Revolution they're just planning to go all the way with that.

 

[Shiggy]

http://gc.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=4054

"Finally, it was also stated that Mario 128 will not appear for the GameCube. The game is still in development but will instead surface on Revolution."

What's right?

 

[XS+]

At times like these I'm really glad Sony entered the console business. Nintendo is delusional.

The DS makes me just as glad that Sony entered the handheld market. Nintendo sticks to an outmoded plan of action, one at doesn't agree with the consumer's needs. Sure, they're profitable, but their mindshare is deteriorating considerably, while their closest competitor, Microsoft, has sprouted from a fledgling upstart into a strong second place competitor. I don't care how many DS units have been sold. Nintendo is a hasbeen company.

 

[DJ Demon J]

Yes, yes, the changing a quote around to make an analogy is very clever but what's important to soundwave's point is that Sony (and to a lesser extent Microsoft) are much better at being "cool." They specialize in making sexy products that appeal to lustful impulses. That's why it would impractical for Nintendo to compete head on using that strategy.

Nintendo was good at being "cool" once. So which is it soundwave? "Nintendo Gamecube has a lot of the 3rd party releases that are important on it and also Nintendo games so why aren't consumers buying it?" or is it "Nintendo can't and shouldn't compete"?

I agree with the consensus that Nintendo has firmed up an allegiance of consumers that( barring monumental fuckups by the company) will allow them to remain profitable. But if any of their talk or ambition to compete with Sony and/or MS is to be considered credible and, more importantly, if it is to succeed--then the only way is to beat Sony and MS at their own game. Sony beat Nintendo by having the volume of content of 3rd party games and positioning themselves as a cooler brand. Nintendo has to do the same thing to be 1st--but I don't think that's their goal anymore, which is why this huff-and-puff from Reggie is surprising....do they feel the need to convince their faithful to stick with the Big N brand?

 

[Musashi Wins!]

http://gc.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=4054

"Finally, it was also stated that Mario 128 will not appear for the GameCube. The game is still in development but will instead surface on Revolution."

What's right?

Goddamn you, let my dream live!

 

[Mama Smurf]

Not GCA, who clearly need to go back to school.

 

[-SRV-]

This is the post I was responding to:

I didn't see your original post as I usually don't pay much attention to Junior Member posts bashing online gaming.

Ain't a junior member anymore. ;P Now my opinion is woth something. :lol

Why so defensive about online gaming? The numbers and experience don't lie. Again, i said that FPS and fighters are well suited to online. Racers could be as well. yet, GT4 is lacking online, right? There will always be people that want to just f*** with you even on well designed online games. That isn't worth my while. MMORPG are brainless snooze fests, no matter the title or platform.

 

[soundwave05]

Nintendo was good at being "cool" once. So which is it soundwave? "Nintendo Gamecube has a lot of the 3rd party releases that are important on it and also Nintendo games so why aren't consumers buying it?" or is it "Nintendo can't and shouldn't compete"?

I agree with the consensus that Nintendo has firmed up an allegiance of consumers that( barring monumental fuckups by the company) will allow them to remain profitable. But if any of their talk or ambition to compete with Sony and/or MS is to be considered credible and, more importantly, if it is to succeed--then the only way is to beat Sony and MS at their own game. Sony beat Nintendo by having the volume of content of 3rd party games and positioning themselves as a cooler brand. Nintendo has to do the same thing to be 1st--but I don't think that's their goal anymore, which is why this huff-and-puff from Reggie is surprising....do they feel the need to convince their faithful to stick with the Big N brand?

When was Nintendo ever "cool" in sense comparable to the Sony brand?

You can say the 1980s, but uh, do you remember Super Mario Icecapades, the Super Mario Super Show, and The Wizard?

That was "fun", it wasn't neccessarily "cool".

Nintendo's not going to beat Sony barring a miracle, Reggie's just talking PR.

When Iwata would say that Nintendo wasn't competing with Sony outright, you guys would moan and groan and bitch, so Nintendo brings in Reggie who's a more "aggressive" PR guy and you guys ... uh, moan and groan and bitch some more. It's just PR talk, unless you're an amateur at looking at the industry you should know that already and not take it so seriously.

 

[Warm Machine]

Did they buy their way to the top...did they pay out the ass for exclussives...did they bend over backwords to attract 3RD parties? NO...they heavily relied on THEMSELVES for the first year or so of all those systems and due to that they gained huge user-bases that thusly attracted 3RD parties.

Someone hasn't lived through or read videogame history. Nintendo bent developers and publishers over in the NES days and signed them to insano contracts giving themselves exclusive games for years on end.

Who knows where the 3 next gen systems will end up. I'm sure as hell surprised that in North America Xbox has a 1 to 3 ratio against PS2 and ports are beginning to sell more on Xbox per capita then on PS2. Xbox has a lot of goodwill going for it now and maybe xenon will be able to build on that come the end of the year.

 

[Vieo]

Oh this is terrible! I should have known better than to open this thread.

I thought there would be a discussion on Revolution like the thread's title indicated, but instead I get a bunch of slobbering assclowns breaking their fingers trying to tell other slobbering assclowns who needs to do what to be king of the console hill.

every f*cking day, i swear!

 

[Shiggy]

Not GCA, who clearly need to go back to school.

Could you tell me what is wrong in their article?

 

[Mama Smurf]

Full quote:

We asked Fils-Aime if what's referred to as Mario 128 is still a GameCube title. His answer: "You know, Mr. Miyamoto said that quite emphatically in the last couple of days, so...it's coming out on GameCube!"

Now, there's still room for this to be wrong. If this interview took place right around the time that magazine interview came out in Japan, he could be referring to that. If he is referring to that, then he could still not know that the inital translations that suggested it was definitely coming to GC were shown to be wrong, and that it was still up in the air.

If on the other hand he means Miyamoto said it to within the company lately, obviously that's more reliable.

And of course, if Reggie knows what Mario 128 is being developed for anyway, it doesn't matter if it's a wrong translation or not (so this depends on how wide the lines of cummincation are between NCL and NOA).

 

[-SRV-]

Nintendo was good at being "cool" once. So which is it soundwave? "Nintendo Gamecube has a lot of the 3rd party releases that are important on it and also Nintendo games so why aren't consumers buying it?" or is it "Nintendo can't and shouldn't compete"?

I agree with the consensus that Nintendo has firmed up an allegiance of consumers that( barring monumental fuckups by the company) will allow them to remain profitable. But if any of their talk or ambition to compete with Sony and/or MS is to be considered credible and, more importantly, if it is to succeed--then the only way is to beat Sony and MS at their own game. Sony beat Nintendo by having the volume of content of 3rd party games and positioning themselves as a cooler brand. Nintendo has to do the same thing to be 1st--but I don't think that's their goal anymore, which is why this huff-and-puff from Reggie is surprising....do they feel the need to convince their faithful to stick with the Big N brand?

Excellent post. I would add that I think Sony's GH line and being quick to make a title GH is one of the biggest reasons they continue to dominate. People love values. $19.99 is an easy impulse buy.

 

[Buffy4ever]

Edit:
Source:Reggie interview on EGM reported by Gamefront.de
He also confirms Mario 128 for Gamecube.

I am surprised no one is talking about that Reggie confirms Mario 128 for Gamecube.

As for Nintendo and this new controller I hope it not to weird. When Atari came out with the 5200 it did not do as will as they hoped, because of the controller. And it was the first analog joystick but it didn't center itself so it don't sell the system. I hope this doesn't happen to Nintendo.

 

[Dice]

haha, I first read it as...

Reggae is back and talks about Revolution

I was like "well duh" :lol

 

[soundwave05]

It's also pretty fucking easy to sit back and play armchair quarterback and say "oh hey lets take huge losses and compete directly with MS/Nintendo" when its not your money or job at stake.

Nintendo could do all the things ManaByte wants and still end up getting smoked by Sony.

 

[Shiggy]

Full quote:



Now, there's still room for this to be wrong. If this interview took place right around the time that magazine interview came out in Japan, he could be referring to that. If he is referring to that, then he could still not know that the inital translations that suggested it was definitely coming to GC were shown to be wrong, and that it was still up in the air.

If on the other hand he means Miyamoto said it to within the company lately, obviously that's more reliable.

And of course, if Reggie knows what Mario 128 is being developed for anyway, it doesn't matter if it's a wrong translation or not (so this depends on how wide the lines of cummincation are between NCL and NOA).

Is it right, that he said, a late released console could be a suggest?

 

[Mama Smurf]

Apart from what I've said:

He went on to hint that Revolution may not use a joypad of any kind at all

That's pushing what he really said.

The word "submersion" was used.

The word "immersion" was used.

Some of what Fils-Aime said next however, truly borders on disturbing. He mentioned that Nintendo doesn't have to release Revolution at the same time the competition comes out with their new consoles.

That's the complete opposite of what he said. God, what an awful article.

GCA can't even read. Disturbing.

 

[-SRV-]

Someone hasn't lived through or read videogame history. Nintendo bent developers and publishers over in the NES days and signed them to insano contracts giving themselves exclusive games for years on end.

Who knows where the 3 next gen systems will end up. I'm sure as hell surprised that in North America Xbox has a 1 to 3 ratio against PS2 and ports are beginning to sell more on Xbox per capita then on PS2. Xbox has a lot of goodwill going for it now and maybe xenon will be able to build on that come the end of the year.

Personally, of the three next gen systems, I'm most excited about Xenon. At least the version with backwards compatibility. I think that DS and PSP hype may harm the Xenon launch. Hurt it bad. If so, it is doomsville for MS.

 

[Shiggy]

OK, thanks

 

[Dice]

Excellent post. I would add that I think Sony's GH line and being quick to make a title GH is one of the biggest reasons they continue to dominate. People love values. $19.99 is an easy impulse buy.

No joke, man. Why isn't Double Dash $20 yet?

I am surprised no one is talking about that Reggie confirms Mario 128 for Gamecube.

I thought that was already confirmed.

 

[radioheadrule83]

That was one of the more interesting tidbits for me actually:

For this Reggie thread: Mario 128 still to Gamecube...
For the DS PR thread: Third business pillar-talk continues...

I just wish E3 would get here sooner.