Reggie is back and talks about Revolution
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soundwave05
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Yeah they may "chicken out" as the system gets more finalized and include a "regular" controller as well.
I think the bigger challenge for Nintendo is even if they do come up with something new and cool for the Revolution, how do they stop Sony or MS from copying it.
Analog sticks and rumble feedback ended up on the Playstation very quickly after all.
If they have some cool new idea, is it so different that it really can't be copied? To that end, Nintendo might make a console that is sooooo different.
I wouldn't mind actually. If you want "normal" gaming, there's already two platforms in the PS3/Xenon that do that. I don't think Nintendo is that concerned about ports or GCN backwards compatibility. The GCN is not that successful of a platform and not having backwards compatibility will probably save the notorious stingy Nintendo a little bit on hardware costs. Ports don't sell that well on the GameCube as is, if the Revolution is radically different they can then go to third-parties (they do now have good relationships with EA, Capcom, Sega, Square-Enix, Namco, etc.) and focus more on more collaborative/unique types of titles for their audience.
I think the bigger challenge for Nintendo is even if they do come up with something new and cool for the Revolution, how do they stop Sony or MS from copying it.
Analog sticks and rumble feedback ended up on the Playstation very quickly after all.
If they have some cool new idea, is it so different that it really can't be copied? To that end, Nintendo might make a console that is sooooo different.
I wouldn't mind actually. If you want "normal" gaming, there's already two platforms in the PS3/Xenon that do that. I don't think Nintendo is that concerned about ports or GCN backwards compatibility. The GCN is not that successful of a platform and not having backwards compatibility will probably save the notorious stingy Nintendo a little bit on hardware costs. Ports don't sell that well on the GameCube as is, if the Revolution is radically different they can then go to third-parties (they do now have good relationships with EA, Capcom, Sega, Square-Enix, Namco, etc.) and focus more on more collaborative/unique types of titles for their audience.
No, it´s not that, but the fact that when you ask them, they always speak about "controllers" in some way or other. Most of the Nintendo people don´t have a single idea about what is "Revolution", but they don´t doubt about saying something about controllers, so that is "making noise"
Absolutely crazy idea, but... what about if Revolution is... just Revolution and they let the GC backward compatibility, traditional gaming and all that for GBA 2?
And the Nintendo Vs everyone, it´s doomed and all that it´s pretty tiring right now. Would be possible to stop defending or attacking Nintendo or one of its products in every sigle thread?
Do The Mario
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Deg said:
I remember the days where we used to just laugh at Microsoft, sigh those were the days.
soundwave05
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Yeah I'm beginning to think Game Boy Next might actually be the one with GCN backwards compatibility and "traditional game play", not the Revolution.
Revolution might be a really experimental platform.
Revolution might be a really experimental platform.
Personally, I have an idea for a "controller" that can both be used traditionally, yet innovative.
Imagine Minority Report, you have little clickable buttons attached to all your fingers. You rest your hands on a table, and you can slide along on the table. Left hand's thumb is your d-pad/analog stick-type button. You press and hold it down on the table and slide along for your character's movement. You will have an additional 9 other fingers/buttons for your usual stuff like A,B,X,Y, L1,L2,R1,R2 (8 buttons). You can also have a "Start" button as your 9th button. A gentle tap on the table with one of your finger would be equivelant of pressing a certain button on the controller. I think this control is pretty innovative, yet it should be able to handle traditional games like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid... etc.
Imagine Minority Report, you have little clickable buttons attached to all your fingers. You rest your hands on a table, and you can slide along on the table. Left hand's thumb is your d-pad/analog stick-type button. You press and hold it down on the table and slide along for your character's movement. You will have an additional 9 other fingers/buttons for your usual stuff like A,B,X,Y, L1,L2,R1,R2 (8 buttons). You can also have a "Start" button as your 9th button. A gentle tap on the table with one of your finger would be equivelant of pressing a certain button on the controller. I think this control is pretty innovative, yet it should be able to handle traditional games like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid... etc.
soundwave05
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If the system is so different though Sony/MS may just "leave it alone", which is probably what Nintendo wants.
I think they want to be thought of as so different that its almost a different product categorey, and thus they're not forced to say drop the price whenever the PS3/Xenon drop in price or whatever.
It may not be a bad idea if they games are fun and accessible to anyone (not just gamers).
A "GameCube 2" probably would sell less than the GameCube itself (competition is going to be tougher next time), so yeah I think Nintendo is making the move now to do something different, not somthing similar to Sony or MS. They know that's a race they're probably not going to win.
I think they want to be thought of as so different that its almost a different product categorey, and thus they're not forced to say drop the price whenever the PS3/Xenon drop in price or whatever.
It may not be a bad idea if they games are fun and accessible to anyone (not just gamers).
A "GameCube 2" probably would sell less than the GameCube itself (competition is going to be tougher next time), so yeah I think Nintendo is making the move now to do something different, not somthing similar to Sony or MS. They know that's a race they're probably not going to win.
Do The Mario
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How times change, :lolDeg said:Uhh no. I was a Xbox fanboy then. Probably will be again next gen. Nintendo are for kiddies. I like fps alot so no surprise ok.
Do The Mario
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GamerDiva said:Nintendo did too.
Anyhow, I'll be the first to admit that Mario's rectum has been sewn up a lot of late with his name in every game but he will never go on the unemployment line. Plus he is soooo cute but not as cute as he is in Super Mario World.
Yeah I loved super Mario world, the music was so dam cool!
You should try smb3
<---- The cutest Mario ever was the shoe Mario!!
The recent over milking of his name does concern me, I made a big post about it showing that in the time it takes for one new Mario platformer to come out there is like 20+ spin offs.
Dr. Zoidberg
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Sho Nuff said:
I don't know about that. Every console except the PS2 has shipped with four controller ports for years and yet I fear Sony will again refuse to accept this "standard" with PS3. They love cashing in on those multitaps. Hell, they even designed the new PS2 where you would have to buy yet another one if you were upgrading from an old PS2.
That really angers me. Four controller ports is a big plus for a lot of people.
-SRV- said:
The millions of people who play MMORPGS, FPS, and assorted on-line games will say you are wrong. In fact, they would say you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Gaming by yourself = 40-80 hours (average) gameplay
Gaming with others online = infinite hours of gameplay
Any "costs" related to going online is negated by increasing a titles gameplay 10 fold.
soundwave05
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Well one benefit of having a central "wireless" hub built into the system is you need no controller ports period.
A Revolution with a built-in WiFi reciever could host more than just 4 control devices at a time. You could go beyond even 4 player gaming or have some people controlling a DS others with a Revolution controller etc. Doubtful you'd ever get this many players, but you could have 6-8 people playing at the same time if you wanted.
I hope Sony does this too. WiFi in PS3 would allow for wireless PSP compatibility as well.
A Revolution with a built-in WiFi reciever could host more than just 4 control devices at a time. You could go beyond even 4 player gaming or have some people controlling a DS others with a Revolution controller etc. Doubtful you'd ever get this many players, but you could have 6-8 people playing at the same time if you wanted.
I hope Sony does this too. WiFi in PS3 would allow for wireless PSP compatibility as well.
I really believe Nintendo is not interested in competing with Sony and MS next gen. It´s going to be a train crash, with two gigantic companies fighting in full force for the market and not being shy about investing all the money in the world in their resources to "win".
Nintendo could choose to be clear about what they have is "other thing" and going far away of "multi-plataformat" games and the fight of exclusives and marketing. And that have nothing to do with Nintendo becoming a worthless company or its system being something inferior.
But it´s just easy talking. God knows what they have in mind.
Nintendo could choose to be clear about what they have is "other thing" and going far away of "multi-plataformat" games and the fight of exclusives and marketing. And that have nothing to do with Nintendo becoming a worthless company or its system being something inferior.
But it´s just easy talking. God knows what they have in mind.
soundwave05
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I think Nintendo will be happy if the Revolution can sell to a nice audience of its own, say 20-30 million people and if it does carve out its own niche as a different type of platform.
As long as they're making some decent profit off the venture, I think they're fine with that.
Designers like Kojima, Naka, Mikami, etc. may put their "vanity" projects on this platform if its different enough.
As long as they're making some decent profit off the venture, I think they're fine with that.
Designers like Kojima, Naka, Mikami, etc. may put their "vanity" projects on this platform if its different enough.
soundwave05
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GamerDiva said:
I think you're wrong actually. Suicide would be getting into a pissing contest with Sony and Microsoft over technology and trying to be "cool" (ie: compete head on).
That's like fighting Mike Tyson and wanting to get into a punching contest. You're playing right into his hands.
True, Revolution as a crazy platform has a tough, tough, tough battle ahead of it, but Nintendo trying to compete against Sony/MS head on probably has even less of a chance.
I think as long as the system doesn't lose too much money, Nintendo's fine with that. They've "earned" the right to fail, as long as they're not losing like $100/unit (which Nintendo would never do), they'll come out of it fine.
JoshuaJSlone
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The N64 couldn't even dream of having the level of support GameCube has had.Crispy said:
:lolDrexon said:
Did Reggie announce he was cancelling the PS3 and Xenon or something?thorns said:
If all new US Xbox purchasers this year who got Xbox Live would have instead got a GCN, would GCN still be a distant third in yearly sales? Yes. It makes a difference, but nothing near as much as a Halo, GTA, or SSBM.jedimike said:
DS added wacky control schemes while still having all the regular control methods GBA had and then some (X and Y). As long as Revolution isn't a 4th pillar, I doubt this will be a problem.border said:
Hey, don't get me wrong...anything could happen, but I think there's not much thought being put into the "GBA2 = GCN BC & traditional gaming" comments. The GCN discs aren't coded to work on a portable level (like games that require connectivity, peripherals & more importantly multiplayer) so I think BC would be better suited to the Revolution. I think Nintendo would much rather make a quick buck porting old GCN games to a "GBA 2" than they would slap a GCN drive half-assedly into the next GameBoy.
What I was trying to say in my other post was that Nintendo would have a STANDERD controller as well as a NEW "controller". I stated that it wouldn't be wise to put gyro-tech into a standerd controller 'cos of price/ergonomics/durability issues and likewise it wouldn't be good to further alienate gamers/game makers by going with an extremly non-traditional controller.
So I suggested TWO very different types of controllers. One for "tradition" or standerd gaming as well as BC & ports. And the other for a new way to play games without an A & B button & D-Pad set-up that would allow gamers & non-gamers to play by controlling with something simple to understand (motion) instead of complexity...something Nintendo has been talking about for a while now.
If (or should I say SINCE) the Revolution is going to be wireless then the types of controllers/peripherals/interfaces really shouldn't be limited to just ONE type of controller that some may find too odd, too alienating or too gimmicky. With wireless communication they could have both traditional controllers as well as this new interface they keep talking about...it doesn't have to be JUST one or the other.
What I was trying to say in my other post was that Nintendo would have a STANDERD controller as well as a NEW "controller". I stated that it wouldn't be wise to put gyro-tech into a standerd controller 'cos of price/ergonomics/durability issues and likewise it wouldn't be good to further alienate gamers/game makers by going with an extremly non-traditional controller.
So I suggested TWO very different types of controllers. One for "tradition" or standerd gaming as well as BC & ports. And the other for a new way to play games without an A & B button & D-Pad set-up that would allow gamers & non-gamers to play by controlling with something simple to understand (motion) instead of complexity...something Nintendo has been talking about for a while now.
If (or should I say SINCE) the Revolution is going to be wireless then the types of controllers/peripherals/interfaces really shouldn't be limited to just ONE type of controller that some may find too odd, too alienating or too gimmicky. With wireless communication they could have both traditional controllers as well as this new interface they keep talking about...it doesn't have to be JUST one or the other.
GamerDiva said:
Not neccesarily. I think Nintendo of all companies could really support a niche format. They have strong IPs and their approach to hardware can allow them to sustain a smaller userbase. Nintendo also enjoys a fanatical fanbase--MS and Sony can sweep away many casual gamers, but I doubt they can really change the minds of the folks that really support Nintendo.
soundwave05
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How well do "Tom Clancy" games sell on the GameCube anyway?
Not that well. Many third parties are dropping the GameCube and just doing PS2/XBox versions.
Nintendo does have good relationships with most third parties now though (EA, Square-Enix, Capcom, Konami, Sega, Namco have all collaborated with Nintendo this past generation). They might just be better off getting these companies to give them fewer games, but more unique/platform specific types of titles rather than ports.
Not that well. Many third parties are dropping the GameCube and just doing PS2/XBox versions.
Nintendo does have good relationships with most third parties now though (EA, Square-Enix, Capcom, Konami, Sega, Namco have all collaborated with Nintendo this past generation). They might just be better off getting these companies to give them fewer games, but more unique/platform specific types of titles rather than ports.
OG_Original Gamer
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Whatever Nintendo is working, I don't believe will be something that seem it was thought up while high on drugs. Most negative comments, may come from those who have no plans, that involve purchasing Nintendo next console. They just find it necessary to join the thread and come up with extreme notions and comments.
The d-pad is like 20yrs old, there has to be new technology that works better at doing what the d-pad is being used for today, which is mostly used for fighting games.
This whole rumor about them removing the A-B button is more than likely a work in progress, you have to have four face buttons. I think whats going is, Nintendo is going back to the standard. If you look at the Cube controller, the A-B buttons are of different size and shape compared to X-Y. They may have learned that this may cause confusion when playing certain games that require the use of every button on the face of the controller.
Thats as far as I'm going to go into speculation on what Nintendo is up to, the only people that may be able have a educated guess is someone who has experience in developing input devices.
The d-pad is like 20yrs old, there has to be new technology that works better at doing what the d-pad is being used for today, which is mostly used for fighting games.
This whole rumor about them removing the A-B button is more than likely a work in progress, you have to have four face buttons. I think whats going is, Nintendo is going back to the standard. If you look at the Cube controller, the A-B buttons are of different size and shape compared to X-Y. They may have learned that this may cause confusion when playing certain games that require the use of every button on the face of the controller.
Thats as far as I'm going to go into speculation on what Nintendo is up to, the only people that may be able have a educated guess is someone who has experience in developing input devices.
soundwave05
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I don't think you need buttons period if what they're planning is some type of input device (like say "sliders" which go over your fingers and provide sensory feedback).
Is it crazy? Yes.
But so is a Donkey Kong game which is a platformer being controlled by konga drums.
Besides, people might actually look at the system if its something really out there. A lot of people looked at the GameCube for five seconds went "meh" and moved on to the PS2 or XBox. The biggest difference was that it was purple.
Is it crazy? Yes.
But so is a Donkey Kong game which is a platformer being controlled by konga drums.
Besides, people might actually look at the system if its something really out there. A lot of people looked at the GameCube for five seconds went "meh" and moved on to the PS2 or XBox. The biggest difference was that it was purple.
Guys Nintendo's goal is trying to attract new consumers so I don't see how not going after exclusives, marketing etc would help at all. That's why I said it's like suicide. I'm sure they can have a niche console like you say but what's the point of that if their consumer base keeps shrinking all the time? They have to compete with Sony and MS and this does not mean dollar for dollar like some of you thought I meant.
soundwave05
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Wouldn't a system that's so radically different yield more exclusives though?
That's one problem with the GameCube, a lot of the 3rd party content is simply dumped ports.
If anything you'd probably get more exclusives but fewer ports from third parties if the system was very different.
The GameCube is like the middle child ... not the first born (PS2) or the youngest, its kinda just stuck in the middle and doesn't stand out at all.
That's one problem with the GameCube, a lot of the 3rd party content is simply dumped ports.
If anything you'd probably get more exclusives but fewer ports from third parties if the system was very different.
The GameCube is like the middle child ... not the first born (PS2) or the youngest, its kinda just stuck in the middle and doesn't stand out at all.
DJ Demon J
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soundwave05 said:
Give that some thought.
radioheadrule83
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GamerDiva said:Guys Nintendo's goal is trying to attract new consumers so I don't see how not going after exclusives, marketing etc would help at all. That's why I said it's like suicide. I'm sure they can have a niche console like you say but what's the point of that if their consumer base keeps shrinking all the time? They have to compete with Sony and MS and this does not mean dollar for dollar like some of you thought I meant.
I think part of the reason there is a Revolution at all, is to go for exclusives and marketing in one fell swoop..
if it's unique but going head to head with traditional consoles, it'll make itself known, whilst whatever it is that makes it unique will ensure exclusive games, or exclusive features in games.
I think they've decided not to get into a money pissing contest, where they do their best to amp up what we already have and market it better than the 'other' guy. My guess is, they figure they don't need to go into co-developing semi-conductors or paying devs out the ass for contractual exclusives, in order to create something fun and appealing.
I personally hope they're right.
I'll probably buy either a PS3 or a Xenon, and because I love Nintendo games so much, I'd almost certainly buy their next system - whatever it was (within reason). But that deal is only sweetened if Revolution is something I've never had before.
StRaNgE said:
Wouldn't surprise me.
StRaNgE said:
Agreed.
seismologist
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I'm really glad they're trying something different. Best case scenario we get something new and actually useful (like DS). Worst case scenario I have one less console to buy next gen. It's a win-win situation 
Here's another idea for traditional-cum-revolutionary controller.
I was thinking about ideas that have been thrown about regarding one handed controllers that might have gyroscopes in them etc. to detect hand movement and so forth (like the example of metroid prime, where you would hold out your arm ala samus, holding this gyroscope controller, press a button or trigger on it to fire etc.). Two of these gyroscope controllers would be used by one person, one in each hand. But they could design them such that they could be "snapped" together to form a more traditional controller. Take your GC controller, mentally split in two, make it wireless, add gyroscopes and other funky stuff, and consider the possibilities...
I was thinking about ideas that have been thrown about regarding one handed controllers that might have gyroscopes in them etc. to detect hand movement and so forth (like the example of metroid prime, where you would hold out your arm ala samus, holding this gyroscope controller, press a button or trigger on it to fire etc.). Two of these gyroscope controllers would be used by one person, one in each hand. But they could design them such that they could be "snapped" together to form a more traditional controller. Take your GC controller, mentally split in two, make it wireless, add gyroscopes and other funky stuff, and consider the possibilities...
soundwave05
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I don't think anyone's gonna touch Sony.
Microsoft may have an outside chance to maybe pull even 50-50 in North America, but that's about it.
1st place is definitely Sony's to give up though, if they play their cards right, it would be almost impossible to supplant them and I think everyone (even NCL) knows that.
That's exactly why the Revolution will be so different. Nintendo knows there's no point in making a "me too!" copy of the PS3, Microsoft is already doing that and the odds are against them already. For Nintendo it would be even tougher if they went that route.
I don't think there's a lot of pressure on Nintendo honestly. They can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't take Sega-type losses (and that will never happen). If it doesn't work out, I see them moving more into the anime business.
I don't think Nintendo would ever go third party anyway. Read that recent article in the Wall Street Journal about video game consoldation. Nintendo would probably be swamped by offers from huge corporations like Matsushita-Panasonic, Time Warner-AOL, Walt Disney etc. to enter into an exclusive hardware/software partnership before they'd ever have to become a regular ol' third-party.
Microsoft may have an outside chance to maybe pull even 50-50 in North America, but that's about it.
1st place is definitely Sony's to give up though, if they play their cards right, it would be almost impossible to supplant them and I think everyone (even NCL) knows that.
That's exactly why the Revolution will be so different. Nintendo knows there's no point in making a "me too!" copy of the PS3, Microsoft is already doing that and the odds are against them already. For Nintendo it would be even tougher if they went that route.
I don't think there's a lot of pressure on Nintendo honestly. They can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't take Sega-type losses (and that will never happen). If it doesn't work out, I see them moving more into the anime business.
I don't think Nintendo would ever go third party anyway. Read that recent article in the Wall Street Journal about video game consoldation. Nintendo would probably be swamped by offers from huge corporations like Matsushita-Panasonic, Time Warner-AOL, Walt Disney etc. to enter into an exclusive hardware/software partnership before they'd ever have to become a regular ol' third-party.
Well, you can count me in as one of those consumers. Ever since Atari, it's been some joystick/controlpad. They're nice and get the job done, but I'm pretty sure there could be something better out there that puts less or no stress on the hands. We're not up to mind control yet, but I'd rather type with my mind than use my hands. :lol
soundwave05 said:
That's exactly how I feel. It lacks the huge support behind the PS2, and at the same time it is not as powerful as the Xbox. People are buying the GC for Nintendo and the occasional 3rd party exclusive. Nintendo might as well make that work for them by creating a console that reflects that reality. There's nothing shameful about being an alternative.
soundwave05 said:
Exactly. They need USPs now. They may even reach new gamers if they execute well and in an easily communicatable (a word?) way.
I know that if they deliver on this, they will definitely have my custom. I'll probably get the other two aswell, but one might lose out to the other if they're too alike..
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