Graphics Horse
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Holy fuck.
Well I can't row back from that typo, thankfully it's still past tense
Well I can't row back from that typo, thankfully it's still past tense
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Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock
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Stone Ocean
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Releasing this at $300 is the exact same mistake the Wii U did. You're gonna need a serious hook besides portability to sell a less powerful console at a PS4/X1 price point.
I think 250 is the sweetspot, but 300 wouldn´t be THAT bad. Especially since Nintendo enthusiasts will forego the need to get two separate systems if the rumors turn out true, and they may be the only dedicated portable game in town. The value of 250 dollars this days isn´t what it was in 2011.
AdventureRacing
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I think $250 seems a reasonable launch price it just depends on what they're offering. They need to be able to justify that sort of price and it's hard to make a judgement about that when really we still have no idea what the NX is.
casey_contra
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As long as they have a really good pack-in we're set.
Right now New Nintendo 3DS with Mario 3D Land included for $150 is immaculate.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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It's time to stop Thamy
James Scott
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Yeah, $250 (with a pack in) at launch sounds reasonable...but they have to worry since Sony or MS can price match them within a year.
$199 sounds like the ideal price so they should probably be open to dropping the price before MS and Sony can offer something at $250.
Frankly, $199 sound like a pipe dream especially if you consider what´s been rumored and the price of a New 3DS and a Wii U atm.
All sorts of tablets are available at low prices, much lower than $300. Both PS4 and X1 are already available at lower prices right now, e.g. you can get X1+Game for $249.99. That is without e.g. taking into account that the current PS4 model will only drop in price with the release of Slim/Pro and without looking for any particularly cheap deals.
Both consoles and tablets have an enormous amount of games available, not to mention (in particular true for tablets) a plethora of apps. Unless NX uses an established ecosystem (such as Android), it will be far behind for a long time.
Except they would be (much) more expensive than their competition, presumably with a significantly smaller library and (regarding consoles) with much less hardware power*. There is also the (presumed) lack of backwards compatibility, not to mention how consumers see Nintendo (e.g. regarding their so far laughable online approach).
*I am not up to date, but I recall rumors put the hardware power even below X1? Understandable for a handeld I assume.
If you think that a handheld is going to fly off the shelves at $249, then I don't know what to tell you. I'm not saying it is unreasonable regarding the specs, I'm saying that it's unreasonable to assume such a device would sell all that well. Have you all forgotten how the 3DS performed until the price drop? They would need to have a sensational ace up their sleeve to sell it at that price. *Maybe* $249 if they can drop the price quickly enough and have an amazing line-up for the first year.
casey_contra
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If the rumors are true then they have the "Two Controllers Included!*" hook as well. Could help justify $250...
*not compatable with all software
*not compatable with all software
Stone Ocean
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Being a dedicated portable in the mobile era is pretty irrelevant. Nintendo enthusiasts are also price sensitive, just look at the 3DS.
At 300 the NX is likely DOA unless some miracle happens.
The Giant
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Very suspicious indeed. Any other journos going on "holidays"?
James Scott
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Wii U has been $300 for like 3 years. 3DS's innards are cheap, without the 3D screen it can be sold at $80 (2DS)
Even the New 3DS with 3D Land is $150
The biggest problem Wii U had was that it simply wasn't appealing. There's nothing magical about a 300 price point that makes it an impossible sell by itself.
Personally I think that a console with modern graphical capabilities you can play on the go or on the TV is a serious hook, but success usually depends on several factors, just like Wii U didn't fail just because of its price.
Will it be able to handle PS4/X1 games even if at lower graphical fidelity? Engines are very scaleable nowadays after all. If it does, will it get 3rd party support? I imagine that the prospect of playing FIFA or CoD or whatever on your big TV and being able to just pick it up, take it with you and play wherever and whenever you want can be a very enticing prospect.
GameXplain?
EVERYBODY seems to be going on vacation. Its odd. Am I going crazy? I don´t recall hearing about so many journalists in the industry vacationing at the same time in september of all months.
We have 3 unless Natedrake was joking. Pretty sure he was joking.
Stone Ocean
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One of the biggest reasons the Wii U wasn't appealing was because it offered less than the competition at the same price. If the Wii U was cheaper maybe it had a better chance at reaching out to part of the marketshare.
I'm not saying it isn't possible. But its gonna have one hell of an uphill battle at 300 dollars.
casey_contra
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What about GoNintendo? Its easier to tell with smaller outlets like that...
ShockingAlberto
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Gonna be really funny to see who was bullshitting someday.
That, and also MANY of the usual suspect deciding to be hush on NX reveal speculation like Emily.
Don't worry, they've just decided to spend some time in Japan.
It'll be a while before they come back.
SOME people are gonna have to explain a few things, for sure.
EDIT: Btw, I'm on vacations, too.
What about em? I checked their site updates section and I don't see anything of note.
Even the Wii was $250 at launch (with Wii Sports as pack-in). There's no way NX is gonna be less than that.
casey_contra
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I wasn't referring to anything specific, just wondering if anyone had any insight.
Eh, we've gotten so many rumors already. I don't expect a constant stream.
Nah, I'm on vacation this week. Always take this week off with the holiday on Monday.
Depends. The 3DS was $250 too and required a price cut to get sales momentum going in the handheld space.
Sure, but we're talking about a handheld that also doubles as a home console. It's more powerful than Nintendo's last home console, according to rumors. The 3DS doesn't even have the graphical capability of the Gamecube.
I think the proper way to think of NX, and how Nintendo is likely to sell it as, is as a home console that is portable. Not a handheld that you can play on a TV.
James Scott
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I feel like 3DS was made with a different price point in mind with the glowing reception giving them confidence to raise the price to $250. The botched launch with no notable software and poor hardware didn't help.
casey_contra
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A better Wii U graphically is still dramatically less powerful than then home consoles of the competition. I dunno, it just sounds better to call it a super powerful handheld.
casey_contra
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That's the magic! To gamers it can be marketed as mainly a kickass handheld and to other audiences it can be a reasonably priced home console with games you can take on the go!
The 3DS was also using very brand new tech. I think Vena pointed out that the glassless 3D was months old tech at the time in a previous thread (or somewhere earlier in the this thread) and what really brought up the cost of the system. The 3DS is also their first handheld to be priced above $200 and many found that very steep and not nintendo-like because it wasn't on the lower end of the spectrum where they usually price things.
I think even if it's a hybrid and using Tegra, the current Nvidia Shield systems can be bought for $199 which I think Nintendo will aim for. It will probably be the lowest they could go. The tech has matured in ways that Nintendo likes and the rest of the hardware like multi-touch and so on should be very, very cheap as well.
And yeah, the software at launch for the 3DS was not good at launch. I'm hoping the software launch for NX is much bigger and wider.
Well, the "gamers" who care about power will still be disappointed lol. So maybe saying it's a powerful handheld doesn't mean much after all.
A cheap, multipurpose console with lots o' Nintendo games. That's good enough. Nintendo just needs the proper follow through. If they can absorb the Sony's portable 3rd party support that'd be a nice boon as well.
casey_contra
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Great point, and thats exactly what the NES Mini has to offer and why it's so brilliant. That and nostalgia.
It's gotta be $199.99 without a game or $249.99 with a pack in game, since Nintendo want this to be affordable and not repeat the mistake the 3DS had. And Wii U.
That is almost impulse buy territory if they nail the hardware and software for it at launch and beyond.
$179.99 they could fly off the shelves. No expensive 3D screen this time, so just maybe ... but wishful thinking.
Games priced at $50, half way point between standard handheld games and console games prices. Harder pill to swallow if the games are full $60, which they might very well be at launch, and because of cart costs.
That's my reasoning.
If Nintendo can manage a pack in game as appealing as Wii Sports was, and the above price points, they are onto a potentially big thing.
That is almost impulse buy territory if they nail the hardware and software for it at launch and beyond.
$179.99 they could fly off the shelves. No expensive 3D screen this time, so just maybe ... but wishful thinking.
Games priced at $50, half way point between standard handheld games and console games prices. Harder pill to swallow if the games are full $60, which they might very well be at launch, and because of cart costs.
That's my reasoning.
If Nintendo can manage a pack in game as appealing as Wii Sports was, and the above price points, they are onto a potentially big thing.
That's as likely to be the big problem as it is to be "the magic".
To home console fans it's an underpowered/overpriced machine where they have to pay for a handheld aspect they don't want...
..to handheld gamers it's an overpriced (if its above $200) and oversized machine (if the rumours are true).
You're just as likely to alienate both audiences as you are entice them.
Peterthumpa
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James Scott
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Saw th 10k rumor, bit disappointed he regressed.
A portable unit and a home console unit would still fall under the Eurogamer rumor if the NX hybrid plugs into a dock.
A portable unit as an option to a dedicated home console doesn't sound like something Nintendo would do. It's the Wii U gamepad mixed with Vita's streaming capabilities and it doesn't sound too appealing.
Unless he's missing more info that's less unique than the hybrid concept and more like Wii U (something Polaris Truthers have been saying would discredit EuroGamer's post)
Don't see it happening, if the source is actually trustworthy I'm pretty sure either 10k misinterpreted or the source is confused
A portable unit and a home console unit would still fall under the Eurogamer rumor if the NX hybrid plugs into a dock.
A portable unit as an option to a dedicated home console doesn't sound like something Nintendo would do. It's the Wii U gamepad mixed with Vita's streaming capabilities and it doesn't sound too appealing.
Unless he's missing more info that's less unique than the hybrid concept and more like Wii U (something Polaris Truthers have been saying would discredit EuroGamer's post)
Don't see it happening, if the source is actually trustworthy I'm pretty sure either 10k misinterpreted or the source is confused
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Nobody will care besides Nintendo fans... Nowadays is all about teraflops, resolution, frame rate, the days were gameplay and fun are important are gone
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