TLZ
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Who actually does that? Is it feasible?
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Who actually does that? Is it feasible?
In that case the L and R buttons would be useless in Wiimote form. Is that correct?
If everything we heard is true, then I believe that is the only thing stopping your concept from perfectly satisfying all the rumors in a believable way. I just think there is a better solution than "either L/R or IR".
Right out of the box you have two controllers and a 6 inch screen, of course its feasible. Is it a requested feature? Or rather, is it a feature that will add value? That's another question entirely.
Can you name another system that you can honestly say with confidence is worse than the NX? That's what I thought.
It's not for people that think presentation and fidelity affect the gameplay experience either apparently.
ShadowFox08
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Are you not forgetting its a hybrid that's trying to appeal to console owners? Or are you just being selfish and hoping its purely handheld based?
You know, for all we know it could have a foldable screen. http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/...-screens-next-year-but-will-anyone-care/#gref
Battery life is def an issue. If it at least has OG 3DS's battery life, it will be fine. Detachable controllers is fine is executed correctly. Sometimes you might just want to prop the screen up and play from a distance with the controllers on your hand. It may be more comforting to some.
If it manages to be as powerful as x-box 1, its going to be amazing.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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N-Gage.
But it's close.
Appealing to people with significantly worse hardware. I can see it. They'd be better off forgetting the console market entirely if they're just going to halfass it.
Well there is the PS Neo and Project Scorpio. We don't know anything concrete about them yet, can we safely conclude that they are also pure trash?
AquaWateria
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At this point I'd eat shit if the NX were to be revealed as something completely different going by the rumors.
Edit: Also lmao at people being hysterically negative and saying Nintendo is halfassing the hardware even when it hasn't been revealed. Seriously being patient is key.
Edit: Also lmao at people being hysterically negative and saying Nintendo is halfassing the hardware even when it hasn't been revealed. Seriously being patient is key.
That it's more powerful than Wii U automatically vaults it into awesome handheld territory for me. Everything else is just a quibble. And I'm definitely not one to complain about screen size either lol.
That said I can see a good amount of people not liking how big it might be. Though I question how many really give a toss about the D-pad or circle pad placement.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Seems like a Gamepad with actual guts inside it that you can play anywhere with a resolution that shits all over any Nintendo device you can play away from the system.
Count me PUMPED.
ShadowFox08
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Say what? Its on Nintendo if NX markets it as a hybrid and ends up being two Wii U's taped together. If its at least x-box one specs, with or without an SCD, its good power wise and can sell quite a bit. A portable console with the same specs as xbome one is more appealing than we think. We're covering two markets in one and unifying nintendo handheld and console owners. That's huge. Don't forget that. Now it needs to have to be affordable. Hopefully 250 or less. 300 is the absolute limit they should go if it matches current gen specs.
The rumors did say it had no problem running ports for current Gen games.
OrbitalBeard
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If this is one's primary concern when it comes to gaming, I can't understand why the word "console" is even a part of your vernacular.
Go build a kickass PC and leave the dedicated devices to us simpletons.
Handheld gaming is mostly a solitary experience. Making a ton of compromises for the sake of multiplayer does little to make it a better handheld.
Did you bother to read what I was replying to? And a handheld as powerful as Xbone is impossible and won't be possible until at least 2019.
You're only proving my point here, you know. And everyone will care about stick placement when their hands cramp after 15 minutes of play.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I don't see that as the gamechanger.
AquaWateria
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Considering they're just upgraded power and nothing new and with the latter basically having all its games released on PC. I would conclude why not buy a PC instead for more power? Imo if you already have a PS4 or Xbox, upgrading would just be a waste of money unless you're a graphics whore.
Anyway this is getting off subject and I'm not helping either lol.
TLZ
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Yes that's what I meant.
RE the 2 controllers, if these were meant to be used for multi-player on TV replacing the pro, I can't see how it'll sit well with home console fans. They're tiny.
OrbitalBeard
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If this were being prepped as only a traditional handheld, I'd agree.
Well I was just joking, of course, but I do somewhat agree. Though the main crux of this is that we still have not seen the NX, PS Neo or Scorpio whatsoever. We've got a vague image of what they might be but we still have no real idea. To go into crappy analogies, what we have now are old-as-fuck maps drawn by people with only a compass and a telescope yet we're talking about them as if we have a full satellite image of the Earth.
Again, please go back and see the conversation I was replying to.
ShadowFox08
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Says who? Are you on Nintendo's team? Pretty sure its 100% doable, and the only thing holding it back could be price.
You can possibly run on a down clocked one in portable mode with half of Xbox onw specs, but upclock it to xbone one near specs via dock. You never know. We'll see.
OrbitalBeard
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Again? I did before I replied.
Nintendo is creating a device that can be played in single player or multiplayer environments in both handheld form or on the TV. It's not a traditional device. Even if handheld gaming has been primarily a solitary experience in the past, it doesn't have to stay that way forever.
I did.
These are two different things, and I cannot understand the lunacy of the idea that it could ever approach the latter.
I'm pretty sure the detachable thing are either for two player handheld or one player home console. Two player home console will need extra pair of controllers.
If you want to understand MuchMalo better. Ask yourself this: If you are only interested in only platform, be it handheld or home console, what would you gain from the NX?
If you are only interested in a handheld console experience, you lose ergonomics, and battery life with this approach. But gain a nice powerful system.
if you are only interested in a home console experience. You lose power, and ergonomics, but gain a nice form factor and two controllers out of the box.
Look at the advantages, if you were only interested in one of these experiences your losses significantly outweigh the advantages. We fans who like both experiences can see the value in the NX. Other people, though, will have a much harder time understanding the appeal.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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It's mucho malo.
James Scott
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Yeah. Fire Emblem, AC, Tomodachi Life, basically any Atlus game or turn based RPG, any visual novel like Ace Attorney or Dangan Ronpa, and I imagine simple games with no camera controls could work fairly well on a touch screen. Basically most handheld friendly games. Might be wise to implement this mode to make it more portable.
What, that it's not a good handheld if we ignore the awesome power aspect? Sure I can agree with that, but I dunno what's the point of looking at it that way.
OrbitalBeard
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While that may very well be true, Nintendo is hoping they can sell handheld-only and home console-only folks on this hardware and change their perception of where and how they play. We'll see if they can pull it off. I'm certainly glad they're trying something a bit different.
Fourth Storm
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It's got like 2 hrs of battery life and the controls suck. It's a piece of crap. I don't even want it anymore.
Dr. Buni
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Those pointless detachable controllers though!!!
Don't get me wrong. The return of the Wiimote is all it took to get me on board and the fact that i can play BotW in the style is a dream come true for me. But there has to be something that we are missing. Otherwise, NX really is a "jack of all trades" system but a master of none. And no one wants to be in the position. Especially since this time Nintendo will not have a second system to fall back on if this thing fails.
We were going to hit a powerful handheld eventually. If the 3DS is more relatively between a Gamecube and Wii, the next system would have been between Wii and Wii U. They're skipping over a generation for the most part.
At least that's how I see it.
As for the disadvantages of it being a hybrid that people are discussing? It's why I was adamantly against the idea of a hybrid. But what's done is done but I'm still excited for it and want one.
EDIT: Though a big positive would be the software. Lots of lots of Nintendo first party games on a single device. That 20-30 games a year split between 2 systems would be on one single system.
At least that's how I see it.
As for the disadvantages of it being a hybrid that people are discussing? It's why I was adamantly against the idea of a hybrid. But what's done is done but I'm still excited for it and want one.
EDIT: Though a big positive would be the software. Lots of lots of Nintendo first party games on a single device. That 20-30 games a year split between 2 systems would be on one single system.
NX speculation/launch guide:
1) Be aware of rumors and speculation.
2) Decide on one or more things the rumors suggest the device cannot do.
3) Emphasize the importance of these things in order to diminish the perceived worth/viability of the device.
4) Provide anecdotal evidence for the importance of the above things in order to further establish the universal and fundamental impact of their absence. It's important that you sell the fact that the missing and/or unwanted features will largely determine how the NX will be experienced by "gamers."
5) Kill time between posts by re-watching BotW footage.
6) Pre-order the NX once it is available for purchase.
All in good fun, btw. Love you all <3
1) Be aware of rumors and speculation.
2) Decide on one or more things the rumors suggest the device cannot do.
3) Emphasize the importance of these things in order to diminish the perceived worth/viability of the device.
4) Provide anecdotal evidence for the importance of the above things in order to further establish the universal and fundamental impact of their absence. It's important that you sell the fact that the missing and/or unwanted features will largely determine how the NX will be experienced by "gamers."
5) Kill time between posts by re-watching BotW footage.
6) Pre-order the NX once it is available for purchase.
All in good fun, btw. Love you all <3
OrbitalBeard
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I can't really disagree with you and it's why I was hoping NX was going to be a set of devices with a shared library rather than a single hybrid. But at the same time, I can understand why Nintendo is going in this direction.
I'm also gaining the half of Nintendo's 1st party library I wasn't getting when I only bought 1 form factor.
Forever Changes
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The battery life is a shame if true but everything else seems amazing for a hand-held device!
I hope the screen is OLED.
I hope the screen is OLED.
This is a software advantage, not hardware related. Therefore, the same could be said if Nintendo went all out with either a handheld or a console. A hybrid was not necessary to realize that advantage.
I'm not being negative just because I promise, but these points should be discussed
Not at all, his points are valid. And if they are not, tell us why rather than spewing personal attacks.
Triplicates
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I'm feeling lukewarm about the system based on the rumours too. However, on balance, I think there's ample reason to be optimistic because the hybrid platform, whatever the execution, makes Nintendo's operational life so much easier, and we're finally getting a system that won't be hampered out of the gate by backwards compatibility concerns. These two factors alone should outweigh the conceivable negatives comfortably. I just hope the new gimmicks can be seamlessly ignored if they fizzle. At least detachable controllers won't consume graphics resources like the Wii U gamepad.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Surprised he didn't reveal that the battery life will be 10-20 minutes yet.
I'm surprised you think he'd settle with minutes.
-Pyromaniac-
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now that is the most feasible mockup yet. The rest make no sense ergonomically.Ahaa! I'm totally with you on the ergonomics point. Here is something I did just now:
TBH my idea was placing the L and R buttons on the main unit, right where the CL and CR buttons are right now. The controllers being small would allow reaching those whitout much effort, however this would lose the L and R controllers while in NES mode.
Having those L and R buttons like they appear right know may be too much of a waste of resources for little payback, however I gave in at the request of many wanting to have L and R buttons in the NES configuration. To me having abxy and the trigger below to use much like the b in the remote would be more than enough for the configuration wich I would imagine wouldn't be used for games wich required complex inputs.
HawthorneKitty
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I like this one as well. Some of the others look nice but the second I imagine holding them the illusion falls apart. I could imagine playing this device for extended periods.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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The SWiiss Army System
So when the controllers are detached, people have full inputs on each gamepad. Plus, comfort/ergonomic/ambidextrous reasons
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