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[Topher]

This thread is starting to look like a shitshow

Just a continuation of the shitshow that was started in the PS5 Pro threads, frankly.

You guys are seriously trying to say a ps5 would be a substitute for a 5090? It's not even comparable to a 4070.

Yes, it is comparable to 4070, but nothing above that.

Edit: "comparable" doesn't mean better than. Pro is also "comparable" to the 3070 ti. Anyone who pays attention to comparisons of GPUs knows that the variance is going to differ from one game to the next. There is no one to one PC equivalent on the market for PS5 Pro.

 

[FlyyGOD]

I mean considering the outrage for an entire console like the PS5 Pro costing 700$ i'm sure this alone costing 2000$ is okay for PC gamers

With the 5090 you know your getting a top of the line experience that won't be outdated . Ps5 pro is already outdated with its weak cpu.

 

[FunkMiller]

I've been floating the idea around for years ever since the 1080ti came out but either didn't have the time or friends talked me out of it. I got a small taste of the "PC" world when I bought the steam deck when the OLED came out and absolutely love Steam, the prices of new and older games, the options, etc.

I truly think that this generation of consoles is my last and I will be full PC by the time next gen rolls around. At 37 I'm ready for this lol.

I was a 100% die hard console gamer for every generation up to this one, right from the mid 90s. I always had a half decent PC to play indie and retro games on, but I only ever bought new games on Playstation. But this generation has been such a let down console gaming-wise that I've been happy to make the jump to PC, due to the massive choice and cheaper prices of games. Console gaming just stopped making sense to me, given how few games are now console exclusive.

Still not buying a 5090 at launch though

 

[JimboJones]

$2500+ for the best GPU on the market and it doesn’t even come with a stand or disc drive…..or cpu, chassis, cooling, power supply, motherboard, memory, os, controller, etc.

Where’s all my outrage bait from the YouTube grifter crew?

 

[Topher]

With the 5090 you know your getting a top of the line experience that won't be outdated . Ps5 pro is already outdated with its weak cpu.

Eh.....ok, but you've been an Xbox guy all this time and it isn't until PS5 Pro comes out that you realize current gen consoles are Zen 2?

 

[Bboy AJ]

Dang! Glad I skipped the 4090. This is going to be a whole new build for me. Someone buy my whole 3080Ti/5900x set up for one 5090.

 

[VeganElduderino]

great! 2500$ canadian

 

[FlyyGOD]

Eh.....ok, but you've been an Xbox guy all this time and it isn't until PS5 Pro comes out that you realize current gen consoles are Zen 2?

When have you ever heard me say an Xbox is comparable to a PC? It would be delusional of me to think so. When the next Xbox comes out it probably won't be comparable to the 5090.

 

[Roman Empire]

It's all about the games at the end of the day for me. Will I have a massive advantage and be future proof for a few years with a 5090? If yes, then I might get it. But if games try to appeal more to mid-range and low high-end PCs, then I don't see the point of it.

I just want better optimized games overall without chugging even top of the line PCs where framegen tech and upscalers are a requirement to hit 60-80+ FPS. And here I go back to my first statement. It is always about the game for me.

 

[peish]

damn this is cheap for a 32GB monster.

 

[FlyyGOD]

Just a continuation of the shitshow that was started in the PS5 Pro threads, frankly.

Yes, it is comparable to 4070, but nothing above that.

A 4070 is on a PC is running games well above 60 fps with path tracing.

 

[ClosBSAS]

5080 is more than enough for this remake remaster generation of weak ass consoles. so itll be fine.

 

[Topher]

When have you ever heard me say an Xbox is comparable to a PC? It would be delusiona of mel to think so.

Never seen you talk about PC at all.......except now that PS is in the discussion. And consoles (hint: not just PS) are comparable to PCs when considering price/performance.

A 4070 is on a PC is running games well above 60 fps with path tracing.

Such as? Game? Resolution? DLSS?

Edit: You sure about that? I'm seeing videos of Cyberpunk 2077 and Black Myth Wukong on youtube running in the 40s with path tracing, dlss performance, frame gen on.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

PRENUPTIAL

AGREEEEEEEEEEEMENTS!

 

[MadchesterManc]

That price is expected I guess Still happy enough with my 3090 tho so we'll see how the rest of the stack pans out

 

[Wildebeest]

$3000 with tariffs. It will probably have severe overheating problems and die in under a year. And the AAA games that come out while it is still working will still run like shit and have lots of problems. But the people who buy it for their 14 year old kid won't care because they only play Fortnite on it anyway.

 

[Crayon]

4x frame generation, i bet their explanation will go something like this:

"We at Nvidia like to maintain high standards for features that Nvidia offers. The new features will not be available on prior cards because each optical flow accelerator on the 4090 only provides about 98% of the performance of the 50series successors."

"Given our high standards we consider anything below 99% of performance of our fancy new Blackwell optical flow accelerators to offer insufficient results for these new features, as you clearly see Lovelace cards fail to meet the cutoff point by 1% and we cannot let you try enabling it since it would result in a substandard experience for out customers and we dont want that."

"What do you mean that we dont mind selling cards that run out of VRAM?"

Then show cyberpunk again with a brand new fo-mode.

 

[kiphalfton]

Regarding that second quote in the op, of course aftermarket will be more expensive.

Asus is never not expensive. Make the shroud look semi flashy, and they charge a 20% premium.

After the 3000 series, Nvidia reference cards aren't anything to to turn your nose up to.

 

[Moochi]

I hope to sell some DOGE in January to cover this, a 480hz monitor, and a surround sound system.

 

[saintjules]

If you're buying a 5090, you aren't looking for value. You're looking for the best.


There's plenty of good value options on the PC side of things if you're looking for that.

I just got a 4070 Super, I think I'll be good.

 

[mrqs]

If I were still on the pc master race mindset, I'd be spending thousands every year or two just so I could 'truly' feel I was playing the best possible version.

Glad I went away from it many years ago. Playing on console is much more sustainable, even though I have more money to burn these days.

 

[bender]

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Dang! Glad I skipped the 4090. This is going to be a whole new build for me. Someone buy my whole 3080Ti/5900x set up for one 5090.

No

I'll be carrying over my entire 5800X3D build (currently with a 3090) over to the 5090

 

[twilo99]

No

I'll be carrying over my entire 5800X3D build (currently with a 3090) over to the 5090

Wouldn't the 5800x3d bottle neck that thing?

 

[Haint]

When Nvidia launched the titan z at 3K, I laughed at how some people wanted the best thing yet it sold like hot cakes. If gamers want to game at the "best graphics GPU ever" regardless of how much their electricity bill will be each month, then they will buy this too.

The Titan cards all sold like dog shit, utterly inconsequential and probably cost Nvidia more to produce and market than they made. The 4090 is/was the first halo product that actually blew the doors off the market, it has outsold every single Titan AND XX90 card combined (and 90% of that volume was covid shortages and fake crypto demand buying 3090's for mining). Without that the 4090 would have sold like 10x more than every Titan and XX90 card combined. That's why you will never again see another "affordable" XX80 or XX70 card within 5%, 10%, or 15% of an XX90 for as long as you live. #Gamers spoke with their wallets and tripped over themselves for the opportunity to fellate leather jacket man.

 

[FlyyGOD]

Never seen you talk about PC at all.......except now that PS is in the discussion. And consoles (hint: not just PS) are comparable to PCs when considering price/performance.



Such as? Game? Resolution? DLSS?

Edit: You sure about that? I'm seeing videos of Cyberpunk 2077 and Black Myth Wukong on youtube running in the 40s with path tracing, dlss performance, frame gen on.

This is a PC thread about a gpu. Why wouldn't I talk about a PC? I'm responding to people say get a pro instead of the 5090. If someone is thinking about getting a 5090 they are going for power. Why is the pro being bought up as an alternative?

 

[Fahdis]

Yea, nice try Diddy Jan, you ain't getting my hole to peg into.

 

[StereoVsn]

I'm thinking to go for the 5080 but not with 16 gigs, hope those 3GB GDDR7 upgrades are coming so they stack higher, then maybe..

Yep, we will probably see 24GB 5080 Super in a year and that would be the card to get.

 

[Topher]

I'm responding to people say get a pro instead of the 5090. If someone is thinking about getting a 5090 they are going for power. Why is the pro being bought up as an alternative?

The post you replied to was clearly talking about price/performance and not as an alternative to the 5090 in terms of power. But yes, I agree that folks buying the 5090 are looking for max power and not necessarily bang for buck.

 

[Mister Wolf]

PC players will buy that and then brag because their games looks little bit better 10x zoommed in compared to 399€-499€ console version.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Wouldn't the 5800x3d bottle neck that thing?

Not at 4K res, not if your framerate target is only 120 fps

 

[Topher]

PC players will buy that and then brag because their games looks little bit better 10x zoommed in compared to 399€-499€ console version.

My 4080 cost half that and I didn't need to zoom in one bit to see some substantial improvements in many games over what I've seen on my consoles this gen.

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

So that you can pretend like you are better than everybody else. PCMR specialty.

I love pc gaming, but I can't stand PCMR

Nothing to do with PCMR… 5090 like the 4090 before are the true definition of a premium product.. you pay what you need to in order to have the absolute best in class.. and boy they deliver that in spades..

Unlike PS5 Pro that is a “mid” lower tier product promising the sky for delusional fanboys…

I rather pay 2000 for a best in class GPU that will remain relevant for many years than 800€ for a crap wanna be product that can’t even deliver on is promises…

 

[Dirk Benedict]

2500 after tax and shipping? Sign me the fuck up.

 

[Topher]

Unlike PS5 Pro that is a “mid” lower tier product promising the sky for delusional fanboys…

PS5 quality mode but with performance mode frame rate is "promising the sky"?

I rather pay 2000 for a best in class GPU that will remain relevant for many years than 800€ for a crap wanna be product that can’t even deliver on is promises…

What promises are not being delivered again?

 

[Mister Wolf]

PS5 quality mode but with performance mode frame rate is "promising the sky"?



What promises are not being delivered again?

Neither Rebirth, AW2, or Survivor has delivered on that promise. No chance Black Myth Wukong delivers on it.

 

[XXL]

Rebirth has delivered on that promise.

FTFY

 

[Topher]

Neither Rebirth, AW2, or Survivor has delivered on that promise. No chance Black Myth Wukong delivers on it.

Rebirth certainly did. Remedy decided to go beyond what AW2 quality mode had on PS5. You are left with Survivor which has been a mess on every platform so not exactly a great example to use to disparage PS5 Pro, eh?

Black Wukong remains to be seen.

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

PS5 quality mode but with performance mode frame rate is "promising the sky"?

All I see is Ps5 performance modes being pushed to 60 frames in already high quality games.. not even quality modes are being pushed.. also PSSR is in infancy and as as suspected have yet a lot of shortcomings.. image quality is crap most of the times.. even guerrilla doesn’t use it in their Pro modes… most of the games in Pro modes have lower frame rates than the regular PS5 counterparts…

Lots of games with buggy and underwhelming implementations of pro modes (AW2, SH2 Remake, etc..)

Edit: RT upgrades completely underwhelming regrading the 2/3x claims..

Do I need to go on?

What promises are not being delivered again?

See my answer above

 

[Topher]

All I see is Ps5 performance modes being pushed to 60 frames in already high quality games.. not even quality modes are being pushed.. also PSSR is in infancy and as as suspected have yet a lot of shortcomings.. image quality is crap most of the times.. even guerrilla doesn’t use it in their Pro modes… most of the games in Pro modes have lower frame rates than the regular PS5 counterparts…

Lots of games with buggy and underwhelming implementations of pro modes (AW2, SH2 Remake, etc..)

Do I need to go on?

The promise was never to "push quality modes". Getting 60fps at of these games while maintaining the same quality mode was the entire point. Doesn't matter if the game was already "high quality". It wasn't running that quality at 60fps. PSSR is certainly in its infancy, I'll give you that, but we have a handful of games that still need work. I don't see how you jump from that to "image quality is crap most of the times".

If you took Sony's reveal of Pro as a promise that no devs would ever have issues implementing this new tech then not sure what to tell you. Blooper acknowledged that they had work to do on SH2 Remake. Remedy acknowledged that they went beyond what PS5 quality mode already offered. Imagine where we would be with PC gaming if Nvidia bailed on DLSS after it's rocky start? Seems like an extreme take to trash the entire system based on some early bumps in the road that will likely be smoothed out.

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

The promise was never to "push quality modes". Getting 60fps at of these games while maintaining the same quality mode was the entire point. Doesn't matter if the game was already "high quality". It wasn't running that quality at 60fps. PSSR is certainly in its infancy, I'll give you that, but we have a handful of games that still need work. I don't see how you jump from that to "image quality is crap most of the times".

If you took Sony's reveal of Pro as a promise that no devs would ever have issues implementing this new tech then not sure what to tell you. Blooper acknowledged that they had work to do on SH2 Remake. Remedy acknowledged that they went beyond what PS5 quality mode already offered. Imagine where we would be with PC gaming if Nvidia bailed on DLSS after it's rocky start? Seems like an extreme take to trash the entire system based on some early bumps in the road that will likely be smoothed out.

No, the promise was absolutely to deliver quality like modes at 60 fps.. but that is not happening.. also RT increase performance is at the moment proven false.. most of the RT upgrades are very low quality…

Also, Image quality with PSSR most of the times don’t quite match Quality mode on base PS5..

GPU raster performance is lacking the power to deliver the bump needed to really deliver a compelling upgraded experience regarding the base PS5..

Ps5 pro will go in history as the most underwhelming (yet pricier) console launched by Sony since is debut with ps1.. an authentic cash grab..

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Would be nice if we could have more GAF Users who plan to buy The Absolute Eldritch Graphics Card, chime in and even people with info like leaked benches and such.

 

[Topher]

No, the promise was absolutely to deliver quality like modes at 60 fps.. but that is not happening.. also RT increase performance is at the moment proven false.. most of the RT upgrades are very low quality…

Also, Image quality with PSSR most of the times don’t quite match Quality mode on base PS5..

GPU raster performance is lacking the power to deliver the bump needed to really deliver a compelling upgraded experience regarding the base PS5..

Ps5 pro will go in history as the most underwhelming (yet pricier) console launched by Sony since is debut with ps1.. an authentic cash grab..

I'm not going to argue the point on RT because I haven't looked into it much. Frankly, RT seems pointless at this point on console, imo. But just going to disagree on the quality modes. From what I've seen it is happening, despite some outliers. Not going to even try and guess where Pro will be in "history". That's a bit of a farfetched take considering the thing is two weeks old.. Come on now.

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

I'm not going to argue the point on RT because I haven't looked into it much. Frankly, RT seems pointless at this point on console, imo. But just going to disagree on the quality modes. From what I've seen it is happening, despite some outliers. Not going to even try and guess where Pro will be in "history". That's a bit of a farfetched take considering the thing is two weeks old.. Come on now.

Ok I’m being a bit dramatic but considering all things and what we have been shown already I don’t think PS5 Pro have the fire power to deliver a compelling enough experience to justify its name.. and I’m totally in favor of mid cycle refreshes and was quite excited for the Pro.. but this time around Sony clearly droped the ball in a very shady way..

Time will tell…

 

[Topher]

Ok I’m being a bit dramatic but considering all things and what we have been shown already I don’t think PS5 Pro have the fire power to deliver a compelling enough experience to justify its name.. and I’m totally in favor of mid cycle refreshes and was quite excited for the Pro.. but this time around Sony clearly droped the ball in a very shady way..

Time will tell…

Well.....me and the $700 I spent hope you are wrong, sir

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

Well.....me and the $700 I spent hope you are wrong, sir

well for your sake and the other fellow Gafers who bought it also I hope so.. but in the end this is all individual perceptions, if you are happy with your purchase is really all that matters and I wish you really enjoy it!

 

[Fess]

It’ll be fun to see local price for this one. I paid $2500 for my 4090.

 

[Thebonehead]

45% performance uplift in $700 console : what a ripoff! Where is the stand!

45% performance uplift in $2000 GPU: Take my wallet!!

Lots of users will be exposed soon

 

[nemiroff]

$3000 with tariffs. It will probably have severe overheating problems and die in under a year. And the AAA games that come out while it is still working will still run like shit and have lots of problems. But the people who buy it for their 14 year old kid won't care because they only play Fortnite on it anyway.

I'll grab one on launch day, in a new PC pre-built. I can't wait to use it to post on gaf!

Btw, there's no way I'll get a 5090 for my kid. Wouldnt want to spoil him like that. He'll have to cope with my old 4090 PC.

 

[Topher]

Btw, there's no way I'll get a 5090 for my kid. Wouldnt want to spoil him like that. He'll have to cope with my old 4090 PC.

Someone look up the number to report child abuse in Norway