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Reports on Russian connections to Trump [Summaries in OP] #GoldenShowers
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More and more like Rob Ford every day.
If things keep going this way Trump will vehemently deny everything until solid proof comes out, and then he'll apologize/not apologize and clumsily attempt to go on like business as usual. Then everyone will turn on him.
GOTY in Russia confirmed.
BladeoftheImmortal
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Well trump and I have golden shower fetish in common. Guess he isn't all bad.
Trump is already hated by a slim majority of the US. His ego won't survive this
It's because they thought Hillary had it in the bag and this would just be an unnecessary distraction.
Took the high road and it killed the country.
Funky Papa
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I addressed this at a previous edit.
CNN claims that it knows that Trump and Obama were briefed about Trump being potentially susceptible to being blackmailed, among other things. This is fairly credible and I believe that it's extremely newsworthy per se.
CNN also knew that at least part the information provided was unsustained. This puts the entire thing upside down as it makes impossible to ascertain the actual journalistic value of the piece.
This is pretty much the definition of an article that is more trouble than it's worth. The information published by CNN could provide some excellent context to a further article down the line, but it amounts to very little in its current state and it's extremely easy to manipulate the public into believing that it's "fake news" given the significant lack substance behind it, not to mention the completely foreseable escalation (in this case, initiated by Buzzfeed).
This was handled very poorly and it will play straight into Trump's hands unless something meaty comes out it and soon.
Sweeney Tom
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The Don't Tread on Me snake, but he's saying Don't Piss on Me
Already Torn
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Yeah, then they will. Just like last time.
I can already hear that one terrible coworker. "What's wrong with being close to Russia?" "Hey, I'm not big into that stuff, but do you still listen to R Kelley? Hypocrite."
Then someone brings up Hillary Clinton for some reason.
Tbf both Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian launched careers/attracted fame via sex tape so Trump is just preparing for retirement obv
Hari Seldon
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The only thing that gives me pause about the credibility of this is how the hell did it leak out of the FSB? If the Russians had blackmail material it would be the #1 most closely guarded secret worthy of Manhattan project levels of security. Those tapes would be on air gap computers deep in the Kremlin. I dunno, this seems like it could go either way to me.
He lives in his own universe. He thinks he's loved by all. That's why he goes into a meltdown when someone picks on him: It's a brief glimpse of the cold, hard truth.
RustyNails
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CNN simply reported what happened. Thats it. Are we not supposed to report what happened?
Thinnest skin on the planet as evidenced by his twitter.
It's going to take some amazing solid proof to get everyone to agree it's solid proof. :\
Pizza con salsiccia
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What if that did not happen?
What if something else (as in, still incriminating) happened?
What if...?
ErasureAcer
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That transition to the Red Cross story.
I don't think it's hard to imagine They might have some sort of financial or personal blackmail on Trump.
I mean Trump won't even release his own taxes. And his constant ass kissing of Putin kinda makes people look in that direction.
That said the report that CNN is talking about has credible sources. It's just all about verifying them
Ford had many conservative allies on council before the crack video was confirmed by the chief of police, and the follow-up "plenty to eat at home" quote related to another scandal. He crossed a line with that, and council went and stripped him of all his powers and duties.
It's rather sad seeing the Trumpbots now insisting the published dossier isn't credible when they themselves so eagerly embraced bullshit being spouted by Wikileaks/Russian Intelligence. Even more sad, and deluded, that 4Chan has convinced itself that it manipulated the CIA with some Trump fan-fiction/Hentai.
Dear god in heaven, hallowed be thy name, plz release these tapes. Would help humanity tons. K thx.
Did you read the report? They were working together. Intentionally. Colluding. And actually , Lord Frieza himself said "other than the golden shower thing, what is absurd?", and others have implied the same, that it is the only thing that is even hard to believe.
I follow what you're saying. You are not arguing the story is true, merely stating that it is not shocking if true. I disagree. To think Trump's love affair with Russia during the elections were somehow obvious displays of him being a complicit Russian plant and doing illegal deals with them is totally false IMO. You already agreed its crazy as a story but proceeded to rationalize why its actually not because its Trump and somehow its logic to connect those dots and not confirmation bias. My pizzagate comparison stands for as long as people are whipped into a frenzy by outrageous unsubstantiated claims, by news that has not been confirmed; you don't have to agree with the comparison, and of course you wouldn't because you believe it is reasonable to think this report is not that crazy sounding.
As for "Trump loves Russia" as a simple reduction of the report, thats the impression I get of your understanding considering the treasonous accusations within the report itself, and the fact that you somehow think that is par for the course.
A Russian intelligence operative essentially being a mole and leaking the information to the British mi6 agent.
It's not that hard to figure out.
A former mi6 agent would potentially have a contact in the FSB.
Already Torn
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The report did happen tho
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/craven-reporters-scold-buzzfeed-for-reporting-news-1791071084
I tend to agree. It IS newsworthy to have this dossier out. And now it's finally getting legs because people are able to do public research on it. If this had never been published, it might have just disappeared altogether once Trump was in power.
I tend to agree. It IS newsworthy to have this dossier out. And now it's finally getting legs because people are able to do public research on it. If this had never been published, it might have just disappeared altogether once Trump was in power.
If they have incriminating personal and financial info that's blackmail. Trump probably really does like Putin. Trump has surrogates that love Putin so yea they'd love to help him. But if they are dangling this folder with a lot of incriminating shit in front of you. Using it against you if you deviate from a certain platform. That's blackmail. No matter if they "helped" each other.
Exactly.
It's honestly not that hard to believe, at all. We just need to substantiate it now.
superdeluxe
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New article by John Schindler former NSA officer (@20committee)
http://observer.com/2017/01/donald-trump-press-conference-prague-michael-cohen/
http://observer.com/2017/01/donald-trump-press-conference-prague-michael-cohen/
Who says those are tapes involving sex? Could be audio tapes.
ErasureAcer
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Trump is hanging on for his life. Russia, Intel Communities or Republicans might take him out to end this whole charade and thus prevent WW3 and/or Civil War. If Trump is removed from office I do see a bunch on the right making their stands with their doomsday supplies however. That unfortunately is the best case scenario. Best of the worst.
Stevey's just posting links to 4chan and asking questions guys.
Until we take this threat seriously, this shit will continue to exist and infiltrate our social media.
It should be bannable.
Bam Bam Baklava
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What?
If tapes exist that confirm what is in the document, then perhaps other parts of the document are also true. That seems obvious, no?
Whataboutism is a flimsy argument, and a fallacy.
Also, if the tapes are real it lends credence to the blackmail story. Which lends credence to...oh I don't know, the little bit about Russian influence and possibly treason?
EatinOlives
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Honestly, the report was part of a chicken-and-egg problem. Can't report on it because the report itself is unsubstantiated, but you can't have the American media motivated enough to dig around to confirm it BECAUSE nobody reported on it.
At least CNN stuck their neck out and basically called out for the media to start digging into this hard.
A deflection followed by another, bigger deflection.
You gotta try harder than this, dude.
At least CNN stuck their neck out and basically called out for the media to start digging into this hard.
A deflection followed by another, bigger deflection.
You gotta try harder than this, dude.
Read the report. It says they colluded. On NATO, Ukraine, illegally ascertaining and exchanging info with each other. It is so much deeper than Trump just being a dummy manipulated by Putin.
DragonSworne
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Trump will be impeached the moment any of these tapes leak.
WiiredShawn
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If I were going to put on a tinfoil hat for a second, I'd say that the Russians didn't mind the information leaking because it accomplishes exactly what they wanted: to further undermine American democracy. What better way to follow a tense and contested election than by having the would-be president undermined and disgraced right before Inauguration Day?
People lose faith in Democrats due to Russian intervention and people lose faith in Republicans due to then letting Russian intervention glide through on their watch. And what's America going to do, go to war with Russia over this? Even if politicians pushed for it, it would be extremely unpopular, thus further weakening people's trust in America's government. Meanwhile, in all the chaos, there are not enough grown-ups with the power needed to stop Putin from creeping into neighboring countries.
So I don't know. I feel like this could be part of Putin's long game or it could just be a couple of people pissing in the pool to see what happens.
Wut?
It's hiring prostitutes to piss on a bed used by the obamas. That's fucking nuts.
The bigger story is that it's being used as blackmail to direct Trumps campaign strategy and potentially his policies going forward as president.
Blackmail is serious business as we essentially have a Russian puppet as president.
It would also be treason as trump should have refused to be directed by the Russians and instead allow them to release their compromising intel, instead of willingly becoming an agent for the Russian government.
Pizza con salsiccia
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I know, I was just kidding and watching it all from afar.
There's a few changes in the last two days (just came back from leave and didn't pay attention while gone) that I did not expect (not only in the US or related to Trump).
IMACOMPUTA
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Even if we get audio/video, so what? There's many many hacking going on folks. Fake news!
IMO it's over. The deep state has made its decision, just a question of when at this point. Trump chose poorly when he went on the offensive against the IC, they will place self-preservation above his presidency
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Shit we need someone to leak a stream of the tapes.
jakonovski
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Please be a real video x infinity.
"Hey guys, election's over, don't worry, just let Mother Russia do her thing."
Funky Papa
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For what is worth, I think Buzzfeed was kind of right in publishing that document as it provided a lot of context to what amounted to a rather amorphous blob of information. I also think it's not helping the situation at all as it's making things even muddier.
It's a journalistic clusterfuck.
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