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Reports on Russian connections to Trump [Summaries in OP] #GoldenShowers

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B-Dubs

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KingV said:
Oh wow. Didn't know that one. This one is looking more and more true.
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It was in one of the articles in the thread about the guy. He's a huge deal when it comes to Russian intelligence from what I've read.

Jorok Goldblade said:
When this whole Presidency thing goes belly-up, I've got an opening for Donald in my seventies cop show pitch:

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Holy fucking shit, I am dead
 
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SomewhatGroovy said:
My facebook feed is riddled with "but he's a germaphobe" dogshit.
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Show em that Howard Stern clip

“This guys shakes hands...meanwhile, he bangs Russian people...He used to call me when I was a columnist and say, ‘I was just in Russia, the girls have no morals, you gotta get out there'"
 
IlGialloMondadori

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A good reminder for the stupid 4chan troll believers:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...redibility-donald-trump-russia-dossier-author

The former Foreign Office official who has known Steele for 25 years and considers him a friend said: “The idea his work is fake or a cowboy operation is false, completely untrue. Chris is an experienced and highly regarded professional. He’s not the sort of person who will simply pass on gossip.
The official added: “If he puts something in a report, he believes there’s sufficient credibility in it for it to be worth considering. Chris is a very straight guy. He could not have survived in the job he was in if he had been prone to flights of fancy or doing things in an ill-considered way.
That is the way the CIA and the FBI, not to mention the British government, regarded him, too. It’s not hard to see why."
 
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rjinaz

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IlGialloMondadori said:
A good reminder for the stupid 4chan troll believers:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...redibility-donald-trump-russia-dossier-author

The former Foreign Office official who has known Steele for 25 years and considers him a friend said: “The idea his work is fake or a cowboy operation is false, completely untrue. Chris is an experienced and highly regarded professional. He’s not the sort of person who will simply pass on gossip.
The official added: “If he puts something in a report, he believes there’s sufficient credibility in it for it to be worth considering. Chris is a very straight guy. He could not have survived in the job he was in if he had been prone to flights of fancy or doing things in an ill-considered way.
That is the way the CIA and the FBI, not to mention the British government, regarded him, too. It’s not hard to see why."
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The fact that this even needed to be explained because some random person on 4chan said thing, makes my head hurt.

Says who? I saw a post on 4chan...

The internet might have been a mistake.
 
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Nafai1123

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Let's not forget that Steele is not the only source for these claims. BBC is reporting at least one other source.

Mr Wood said in a BBC blog last night:

'The former MI6 agent is not the only source for the claim about Russian kompromat on the president-elect.

'Back in August, a retired spy told me he had been informed of its existence by "the head of an East European intelligence agency".

'Later, I used an intermediary to pass some questions to active duty CIA officers dealing with the case file - they would not speak to me directly. I got a message back that there was "more than one tape", "audio and video", on "more than one date", in "more than one place" - in the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow and also in St Petersburg - and that the material was "of a sexual nature".'

But he did add: 'Nobody should believe something just because an intelligence agent says it', adding that no-one had ever seen the video.
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Source
 
IlGialloMondadori

IlGialloMondadori

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rjinaz said:
The fact that this even needed to be explained because some random person on 4chan said thing, makes my head hurt.

Says who? I saw a post on 4chan...

The internet might have been a mistake.
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The asshat who is trying to claim responsibility is posting about it on twitter right now, despite motherjones and others reporting on it BEFORE his post he claims started this thing.


https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819552991753732096

"Spoke to a lawyer, full story will be realeased.
Specifically me and my flat mates created the piss FSB, story and circulated it to journos"

https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819553662536155138
"This story which we used declassified stories /documents to create was included in ex MI6 guys personal infocollection he gave to BuzzFeed"

https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819554514122539009
"Its not quite clear how our story about piss that we sent to cuckservatives was fed to Ex MI6 but Wilson->McMulln is what we think"

https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819558331866087424
1/2 Again we wrote the piss hotel story making fun of ricks sons piss fetish. Our troll was included in a collection of unverified rumors->

https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819558814336876544
"2/2 EXmi6 agent collected these rumors from various sources including our fake troll. This collection aka his "report" BuzzFeed published"
 
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zethren

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IlGialloMondadori said:
The asshat who is trying to claim responsibility is posting about it on twitter right now, despite motherjones and others reporting on it BEFORE his post he claims started this thing.


https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819552991753732096

"Spoke to a lawyer, full story will be realeased.
Specifically me and my flat mates created the piss FSB, story and circulated it to journos"

https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819553662536155138
"This story which we used declassified stories /documents to create was included in ex MI6 guys personal infocollection he gave to BuzzFeed"

https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819554514122539009
"Its not quite clear how our story about piss that we sent to cuckservatives was fed to Ex MI6 but Wilson->McMulln is what we think"

https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819558331866087424
1/2 Again we wrote the piss hotel story making fun of ricks sons piss fetish. Our troll was included in a collection of unverified rumors->

https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819558814336876544
"2/2 EXmi6 agent collected these rumors from various sources including our fake troll. This collection aka his "report" BuzzFeed published"
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What a load of shit. The self importance on display here is nauseating.
 
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Infinite Stars

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zethren said:
It would be unconstitutional.

Legally the inauguration must be on the 20th.
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Again, this entire affair if true is completely outside of what is in the Constitution. It's not like Hamilton wrote a section with "In the unlikely event that a foreign country interferes in our electoral process to aid in selecting a treasonous demagogue and our method of stopping it(The Electoral College) fails to, do the following".

This is something completely outside of the Constitution, there's literally nothing about what to do if this occurs in the document.
 
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zethren

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Infinite Stars said:
Again, this entire affair if true is completely outside of what is in the Constitution. It's not like Hamilton wrote a section with "In the unlikely event that a foreign country interferes in our electoral process to aid in selecting a treasonous demagogue and our method of stopping it(The Electoral College) fails to, do the following".

This is something completely outside of the Constitution, there's literally nothing about what to do if this occurs in the document.
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That's definitely true. We'll definitely have to see what happens tomorrow. I think it's more likely we see him inaugurated, and then impeached almost immediately.
 
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SteveMeister

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Infinite Stars said:
Again, this entire affair if true is completely outside of what is in the Constitution. It's not like Hamilton wrote a section with "In the unlikely event that a foreign country interferes in our electoral process to aid in selecting a treasonous demagogue and our method of stopping it(The Electoral College) fails to, do the following".

This is something completely outside of the Constitution, there's literally nothing about what to do if this occurs in the document.
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Section 3 of the 20th Amendment likely applies:
Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
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If the allegations are true or Congress feels they would harm his Presidency, they could decide that the President fails to qualify for office and thus the VP Elect would act as President until someone else qualifies. So, it's not automatically Pence.
 
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zethren said:
What a load of shit. The self importance on display here is nauseating.
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Really strange that dudes like that are trying so hard to obfuscate. I guess they like Trump regardless of anything? Maybe I was wrong in assuming that most of the alt-right goons just wanted to give Trump the benefit of the doubt and look positively on his Russian relationships, but they are actually supporting him in light of *actually* possibly being a puppet while simultaneously recognizing that this is something that must not come to light if actually true?

What a weird bunch of people. Maybe there are far more paid Russian operatives online than I ever imagined.
 
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rjinaz

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IlGialloMondadori said:
The asshat who is trying to claim responsibility is posting about it on twitter right now, despite motherjones and others reporting on it BEFORE his post he claims started this thing.


https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819552991753732096

"Spoke to a lawyer, full story will be realeased.
Specifically me and my flat mates created the piss FSB, story and circulated it to journos"

https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819553662536155138
"This story which we used declassified stories /documents to create was included in ex MI6 guys personal infocollection he gave to BuzzFeed"

https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819554514122539009
"Its not quite clear how our story about piss that we sent to cuckservatives was fed to Ex MI6 but Wilson->McMulln is what we think"

https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819558331866087424
1/2 Again we wrote the piss hotel story making fun of ricks sons piss fetish. Our troll was included in a collection of unverified rumors->

https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819558814336876544
"2/2 EXmi6 agent collected these rumors from various sources including our fake troll. This collection aka his "report" BuzzFeed published"
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And that's the man they choose to believe. Not the man that spent decades in a career as an operative, but the man that says words like "cuckservative" on twitter because #MAGA 4lyfe!!!1!
 
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Henkka

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IlGialloMondadori said:
The asshat who is trying to claim responsibility is posting about it on twitter right now, despite motherjones and others reporting on it BEFORE his post he claims started this thing.


https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819552991753732096

"Spoke to a lawyer, full story will be realeased.
Specifically me and my flat mates created the piss FSB, story and circulated it to journos"

https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819553662536155138
"This story which we used declassified stories /documents to create was included in ex MI6 guys personal infocollection he gave to BuzzFeed"

https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819554514122539009
"Its not quite clear how our story about piss that we sent to cuckservatives was fed to Ex MI6 but Wilson->McMulln is what we think"

https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819558331866087424
1/2 Again we wrote the piss hotel story making fun of ricks sons piss fetish. Our troll was included in a collection of unverified rumors->

https://twitter.com/trsprudence/status/819558814336876544
"2/2 EXmi6 agent collected these rumors from various sources including our fake troll. This collection aka his "report" BuzzFeed published"
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Yeah, not buying this... Why would a respected ex-MI6 investigator include totally unsourced online rumours in his report? It makes no sense.
 
Audioboxer

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Henkka said:
Yeah, not buying this... Why would a respected ex-MI6 investigator include totally unsourced online rumours in his report? It makes no sense.
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The only devils advocate there is if the piss story is bunk, it had to come from somewhere. He's put it in the portfolio. When things aren't true someone, or some people have made it up/lied.
 
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SteveMeister said:
Section 3 of the 20th Amendment likely applies:


If the allegations are true or Congress feels they would harm his Presidency, they could decide that the President fails to qualify for office and thus the VP Elect would act as President until someone else qualifies. So, it's not automatically Pence.
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Right, but isn't a big part of this that Trump's Campaign was contacting Russia throughout the election? I can't imagine Pence can escape from the "failed to qualify", considering he's the fucking Vice-President Elect. Pence had 3+ months to disavow himself from the shitstorm that was Trump but he continuously defended him.

So what, President-Interim Paul Ryan until New Elections can be held?
 
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Infinite Stars said:
Right, but isn't a big part of this that Trump's Campaign was contacting Russia throughout the election? I can't imagine Pence can escape from the "failed to qualify", considering he's the fucking Vice-President Elect. Pence had 3+ months to disavow himself from the shitstorm that was Trump but he continuously defended him.

So what, President-Interim Paul Ryan until New Elections can be held?
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Even in this scenario there wouldn't be new special elections held. It would just simply be President Paul Ryan.
 
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Marz

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Infinite Stars said:
Right, but isn't a big part of this that Trump's Campaign was contacting Russia throughout the election? I can't imagine Pence can escape from the "failed to qualify", considering he's the fucking Vice-President Elect. Pence had 3+ months to disavow himself from the shitstorm that was Trump but he continuously defended him.

So what, President-Interim Paul Ryan until New Elections can be held?
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More like Paul Ryan ascends to the presidency and the GOP has control of the house, senate, and their establishment golden child in office for 4 years at least to do whatever they want.

Either way the GOP is still going to come out on top after all this which is a damn shame.
 
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jelly

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Say they do uncover some truths like his team collaborating with Russia or loans, dodgy business dealings with them or others, the tape comes out.

Is he out without a doubt along with others or could he survive it if the Republicans wave it away?
 
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NandoGip said:
Seriously though: Is Trump invincible? Logic says no, but the track record says yes....
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jelly said:
Say they do uncover some truths like his team collaborating with Russia or loans, dodgy business dealings with them or others, the tape comes out.

Is he out without a doubt along with others or could he survive it if the Republicans wave it away?
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If they don't want to deal with the heat, they have Pence or Ryan right there
 
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Is there an actual chance- even a minor one, that we could see Trump get booted? It feels like Twilight Zone. Then again, what about the past 2 months in US Politics seems like real life?
 
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Trouble

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Bluenoser said:
Is there an actual chance- even a minor one, that we could see Trump get booted? It feels like Twilight Zone. Then again, what about the past 2 months in US Politics seems like real life?
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Sure, but it really depends on what the investigations and/or journos turn up.
 
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Marz said:
More like Paul Ryan ascends to the presidency and the GOP has control of the house, senate, and their establishment golden child in office for 4 years at least to do whatever they want.

Either way the GOP is still going to come out on top after all this which is a damn shame.
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If that comes to pass, they now have to deal with a very angry far right base that's prone to conspiracy theories.
 
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