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Reports on Russian connections to Trump [Summaries in OP] #GoldenShowers

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NandoGip said:
Seriously though: Is Trump invincible? Logic says no, but the track record says yes....
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No one is invincible if there is credible evidence. There's no point in looking to the audio tape, as I mentioned earlier it was a jane doe. As for Trump rhetoric, you live in America, so whilst it is embarrassing and unpresidential, he cannot be locked up for speech crimes. He cannot be locked up because people are scared of him either, unless there is tangible threat he is going to directly hurt someone. Political fear/differences 95% of the time have to be fought over in the polling booth.

It might not be a nice situation to be in, but if you're asking about law and whether he is invincible, no of course not, because until it's proven he's broken the law nothing will happen by force. If there is evidence tieing him to some of the scandals listed yes he will be arrested, as they would be breaking the law if not international law. Except for the pissing, that would just be reputational hit. Or maybe a boom given some of his supporters.
 
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BronsonLee said:
This shit is like Money in the Bank except instead of winning the belt, you destroy a regime
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Bluenoser said:
Is there an actual chance- even a minor one, that we could see Trump get booted? It feels like Twilight Zone. Then again, what about the past 2 months in US Politics seems like real life?
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If more concrete, more damning revelations are revealed that would and should be grounds for impeachment and congress steadfastly refuses to entertain the idea of impeachment, it would be up to Democrats to hammer away at any scrap of legitimacy a Trump administration has for 2018 and 2020.
 
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minor effort said:
If more concrete, more damning revelations are revealed that would and should be grounds for impeachment and congress steadfastly refuses to entertain the idea of impeachment, it would be up to Democrats to hammer away at any scrap of legitimacy a Trump administration has for 2018 and 2020.
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Its actually one of the things that might be threatening enough for Ryan to take action. If he feels the allegations have enough evidence that doing nothing might make even the gerrymandered house flip in 2018, he might go after Trump before that happens knowing full well the Dems will probably try to impeach the Trump administration and then the Dem leader of the house at that point would be president (if they went after pence as well and why not if it damages the entire ticket). That's the biggest fools hope of seeing Trump out before 2018 or even 2020. The minute there is enough for Ryan to feel threatened for the house getting flipped he will cave and try and get him impeached.
 
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Trump will be removed from the presidency if anything concrete related to this story is ever revealed. The GOP may be hurt a bit in 2018 and/or 2020 no matter what they do if their is more to this story.
 
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BronsonLee said:
People need to understand that if something concrete comes out, it doesn't benefit the GOP at all to keep him in place
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Not to mention they probably don't want him there, and have only backed him so long because he has been able to rally a staggering number of supporters.
 
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Pence came in late and often seemed to not be in communication with Trump; I doubt he's connectable to this even if claims are verified.

Chances are no matter how long this takes, and who is the majority leader in Congress, a Trump impeachment means a Pence presidency.
 
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BronsonLee said:
People need to understand that if something concrete comes out, it doesn't benefit the GOP at all to keep him in place
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While he is a useful idiot, the GOP also doesn't need Trump to accomplish their agenda. They can pretend to take the moral high ground and "safeguard American democracy" or whatever with Trump, and then install Pence or Ryan, who will toe the line anyway.

The GOP doesn't really lose in either case. The only silver lining is that Trump may also be poison to their platform in either case. If he stays and screws people over, the GOP will take the blame. If he gets impeached, the GOP will be blamed for endorsing a Russian shill and wasting taxpayer money getting him out of office - not to mention the alt-reicht will probably blame the GOP for "betraying" their leader.

If Democrats are smart at all, they'll capitalize on this bigly.
 
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Allard said:
Its actually one of the things that might be threatening enough for Ryan to take action. If he feels the allegations have enough evidence that doing nothing might make even the gerrymandered house flip in 2018, he might go after Trump before that happens knowing full well the Dems will probably try to impeach the Trump administration and then the Dem leader of the house at that point would be president (if they went after pence as well and why not if it damages the entire ticket). That's the biggest fools hope of seeing Trump out before 2018 or even 2020. The minute there is enough for Ryan to feel threatened for the house getting flipped he will cave and try and get him impeached.
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Pretty sure Orrin Hatch would become President if both Trump and Pence were impeached. He is the current president pro tempore of the United States Senate, the position that is third in the line of presidential succession. After him it would be Paul Ryan as Speaker of the House.

EDIT: Sorry, I have that backwards. It would be Ryan first, then Hatch. Speaker is second (after VP), then president pro tempore of the Senate.

So no matter what, there will be a Repulican in the White House.
 
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Don't Trump supporters despise most of the Republican congress? Seems like booting Trump (justifiably or not) would only lead to more ire come re-election.
 
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Why are people so confidently predicting that this will hurt the GOP?

Did people already forgot the election? The base is beyond vile and lacks any morality and lives in its own fake news bubble.

The biggest thing that needs to happen between now and 2020 is Zuckerburg to grow a fucking pair and re-instate the vetting of news stories in peoples feeds. The hands-off approach just feeds into the hysteria.

Even here the number of posters that have come in and said this has been debunked or parroted the 4chan angle is a sign of the influence that the shitlords have right now.

If you're spending time having to correct people on a frequent basis on NeoGAF then the general population is already fucked when it comes to this story alone.
 
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Marz said:
More like Paul Ryan ascends to the presidency and the GOP has control of the house, senate, and their establishment golden child in office for 4 years at least to do whatever they want.

Either way the GOP is still going to come out on top after all this which is a damn shame.
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minor effort said:
Even in this scenario there wouldn't be new special elections held. It would just simply be President Paul Ryan.
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Call me Naive or an idealist, but I'd like to think Republicans would much rather have a new election so they can at least try to put Trump behind them. If Pence gets in, the Alt-Right revolts because Trump is gone. Ryan gets in, Alt-Right revolts. You hold a new election? You can, at least as the Republican Party, try to fucking reign in the stupidity that has grasped your party.

Remember, the Republican Party wanted to make moves towards the very groups Trump has alienated. They were pushing Jeb! and then Rubio, both of which have ties to Hispanic Americans. Considering JEB!'s role in the funding of the document(and Rubio's straight up attack on Trump's nominees), the GOP could put one of them forth, try and save the sinking ship by pulling back to Centre Right, and end the long-gestating tumor that's on them.

Basically, by pulling a new Presidential Election, the GOP can restore hope in the electoral process, nominate their preferred candidate, and start to clean the party of the stupidity that plagues it.
 
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Infinite Stars said:
Call me Naive or an idealist, but I'd like to think Republicans would much rather have a new election so they can at least try to put Trump behind them. If Pence gets in, the Alt-Right revolts because Trump is gone. Ryan gets in, Alt-Right revolts. You hold a new election? You can, at least as the Republican Party, try to fucking reign in the stupidity that has grasped your party.

Remember, the Republican Party wanted to make moves towards the very groups Trump has alienated. They were pushing Jeb! and then Rubio, both of which have ties to Hispanic Americans. Considering JEB!'s role in the funding of the document(and Rubio's straight up attack on Trump's nominees), the GOP could put one of them forth, try and save the sinking ship by pulling back to Centre Right, and end the long-gestating tumor that's on them.

Basically, by pulling a new Presidential Election, the GOP can restore hope in the electoral process, nominate their preferred candidate, and start to clean the party of the stupidity that plagues it.
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Not only would this not happen because the GOP would be completely stupid to voluntarily give up control of the executive branch, there is no such procedure for a special election in the Constitution. So it could not legally happen without a Constitutional amendment passing, which again, is not going to happen.
 
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avaya said:
If you're spending time having to correct people on a frequent basis on NeoGAF then the general population is already fucked when it comes to this story alone.
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NeoGAF members are far more likely to frequent garbagechan and lelelereddit so I don't think I agree with you at all.

A bigger problem is what you even see from mainstream news. Are they talking about alleged treason? No, they're talking about how fiery the press conference was. And appointments. And obamacare.
 
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SheepyGuy said:
NeoGAF members are far more likely to frequent garbagechan and lelelereddit so I don't think I agree with you at all.

A bigger problem is what you even see from mainstream news. Are they talking about alleged treason? No, they're talking about how fiery the press conference was. And appointments. And obamacare.
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Facebook is literally bigger than all of this. The number of people who thought this was fake based on their social media feed is illuminating to say the least. People trust their friends.
 
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Sectorseven said:
Don't Trump supporters despise most of the Republican congress? Seems like booting Trump (justifiably or not) would only lead to more ire come re-election.
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Trump is the Republican party now. They would follow trump wherever he goes.

I have no clue how Trump did it but he did. You are a Trump supporter first then a republican second.
 
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avaya said:
The biggest thing that needs to happen between now and 2020 is Zuckerburg to grow a fucking pair and re-instate the vetting of news stories in peoples feeds. The hands-off approach just feeds into the hysteria.

Even here the number of posters that have come in and said this has been debunked or parroted the 4chan angle is a sign of the influence that the shitlords have right now.
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how much do you think this would really matter? like, if you're in that echo chamber & buying into stories like soul cooking or whatever and now you're told FB won't host them, doesn't that probably just reinforce that conspiracy mindset?

gutshot said:
Not only would this not happen because the GOP would be completely stupid to voluntarily give up control of the executive branch, there is no such procedure for a special election in the Constitution. So it could not legally happen without a Constitutional amendment passing, which again, is not going to happen.
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seriously, i thought optimism just meant hoping this does something to harm or stop the trump admin in the near future, as opposed to say, getting the ball rolling on something that either takes root conveniently post 2018 or somehow manages to resonate in a way that helps stop him in 2020.

we really should shut down the talk of a re-election. it's not gonna happen, there's no real way for it and most people (especially the right) wouldn't want it at all.
 
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Bolivar687 said:
Perfect, a foreign government getting involved will really help settle the matter for everyone.
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The UK is a close ally of the US, and intelligence is shared between the two nations, so it has to be investigated. If there's even a tiny credible chance that intelligence could end up in the hands of a hostile nation, because of a compromised leadership, that relationship might need to be re-evaluated.
 
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avaya said:
Why are people so confidently predicting that this will hurt the GOP?

Did people already forgot the election? The base is beyond vile and lacks any morality and lives in its own fake news bubble.

The biggest thing that needs to happen between now and 2020 is Zuckerburg to grow a fucking pair and re-instate the vetting of news stories in peoples feeds. The hands-off approach just feeds into the hysteria.

Even here the number of posters that have come in and said this has been debunked or parroted the 4chan angle is a sign of the influence that the shitlords have right now.

If you're spending time having to correct people on a frequent basis on NeoGAF then the general population is already fucked when it comes to this story alone.
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Listen to this guy.
 
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Mark L

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Is this where we place ban bets regarding Trump being impeached? Here's mine: If Trump is impeached by a Republican controlled Congress- both houses, mind- please go ahead and ban me.
 
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Zyae

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The senate just came out of a closed door meeting on the hack. A senator from Illinois just said

"I thought it was terrible but its even worse"
 
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IrishNinja said:
how much do you think this would really matter? like, if you're in that echo chamber & buying into stories like soul cooking or whatever and now you're told FB won't host them, doesn't that probably just reinforce that conspiracy mindset?
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Either way you reduce its reach and access and its ability to obfuscate as a result. Every basis point in difference matters.

It's good to see FB doing something about it but will they cave again in another election season? The pathetic way they gave in and stop the moderation in the first place opened the floodgates. All far too late now.
 
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