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Reports on Russian connections to Trump [Summaries in OP] #GoldenShowers
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That would be bad though, wouldn't it? This doesn't seem like the kind of thing you can rush; the Trump administration would latch onto any mistake.
The situation is fluidEVERYTHING IS GETTING JUICIER AND JUICIER.
I want off this ride.
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Beat EviLore at pool.
Ok good. Just wanted to make sure. Don't want all of the sudden for this to go no where. This seems more about the e-mails probe then anything.
Joel Was Right
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Conway was making a hopeless argument as I mentioned earlier today, but at the crux of this entire issue is this, and it's very simple:
According to James Clapper, allegations were included in the brief not because they made a judgement that they were true, but that they had an "obligation" to share with him anything potentially damaging and related to the brief - a brief that was not based on the allegation themselves but Russia as a whole.
CNN publishes it because "the IC including it in a debrief is relevant." Correct. It is fair and arguably just on that basis alone.
So if there was a debrief in 2008 for e.g. death threats made against President-elect by far right groups who allege he was a Kenyan Muslim, could the intelligence community therefore have included any dossier or allegation that Obama was born in Kenya? Considering that evidence doesn't seem to be a prerequisite according to Clapper, it is possible.
Now, if Fox News then published that Bush was debriefed on allegations that Obama was foreign born, and did so with no evidence, would that not be reasonably comparable to this?
I genuinely can't see an opposing argument to this unless I consider there is evidence out there that these allegations are true. But I want to stick to what we know for sure so far.
Taking this with a boulder sized grain of salt.
I would imagine all of them have long disappeared.
SenorArdilla
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Trump will call them liars.
I would not be the least bit surprised if Merkel was spearheading this shit, because if she can destroy Trump, she'll destroy her alt-right opposition because they've married themselves to him and Putin.
Angry Chair
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Can someone give me a run down on what has happened the past 12 hours? I've been hearing conflicting information and I don't know what the hell is going on.
GoldenEye 007
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Gosh if Germany can be the ones to help save the world from facism. And Jeb!
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'witness' doesnt mean shit. Unless footage is found.
Still, people need to realise the sexual stuff isnt important, doubt it would even get him in trouble, the other stuff is.
Still, people need to realise the sexual stuff isnt important, doubt it would even get him in trouble, the other stuff is.
rokkerkory
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Haha same too good tobe true
Snarfington
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Theoretically though if that bit can be verified then it makes the claims far more credible and I would think would warrant action in some way.
That said I expect nothing.
If the tapes are proven that lends credence to the rest of the document
BronsonLee
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Our IC never said there were WMDs
GoldenEye 007
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Bush and Co massaged the intelligence info to their liking. Intelligence never really said WMDs existed. IIRC
IggyChooChoo
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You're missing the part where the allegations were deemed credible, an element your hypothetical birther stuff lacks.
Merkel is in Germany though? Unless I'm missing something, I don't know how this has to do with it? Netherlands is also seeing a surge of far-right fools, though.
SomewhatGroovy
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Correct,
As a liberal, I hate Trump as the next guy but proving he likes pissing contests while we're out vying for government to stay out of our bedroom is stupid and meaningless. We do not have an ounce of evidence presented yet as to Putin has been blackmailing Trump and if Trump made a deal to share our foreign policy when he is in office.
De Telegraaf is a right-wing newspaper that had ties with the Nazi's in WW2 and is probably close to being the Dutch equivalent of The Daily Mail
To give you an idea:
NullPointer
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People who are taking that position should start here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Special_Plans
Or people with false claims that will be used to publicly discredit the entire thing when they are found to be liars...
Rebel Leader
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The IC said there was no wmd.
Dick Cheney didn't like that and so made the "office of special plans" that said there were wmd in iraq
I'm on a phone but i remember this being posted multiple times
She has everything to gain, and her Eurozone is at stake. She'd mobilize all of Interpol to get what she wants here.
I know, but Merkel has reach and she's one of the major figure heads in this (Netherlands is facing the same opposition, which I why I linked it to her) and the battle with alt-right.
Why should we spend millions on several investigations trying to tie bengahzi to Hillary yet hand-wave away these allegations?
IggyChooChoo
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Right, they literally went around the CIA to let Doug Feith stovepipe raw intelligence directly to Rumsfeld, I believe. I remember conservative talking heads accusing the CIA of being dominated by liberals.
Seriously. People need to let go of that dream immediately. Donald Trump will be president of the United States. How long is the only question.
LegendofJoe
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SomewhatGroovy
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Germany owes us one, y' know, after going to war with the world twice now.
Yeah guys... Dutch =/= German. I'm not sure why Merkel would have anything to do with a sensationalist newspaper from the Netherlands...
Joel Was Right
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Deemed credible by whom? Source?
Oh yeah, makes a lot of sense.
Badass ex Mi6 operative who is now fearing for his life....
GoldenEye 007
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I don't think Presidents/VPs/Pres-Elects are briefed on non-credible info. Nor are there generally House briefings for obviously false and incorrect info. Would be quite the waste of time.
Joel Was Right
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So the dossier is credible because the author says it is? I don't understand.
RPGCrazied
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There has to be a tape of this, just has to, and Putin has the only copy.
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Same intelligence source that was responsible for Fifa. The credibility of this source is the single thing everyone agrees on, including the IC.
Not saying she has anything to do with the paper, I am talking about just general digging that you're seeing coming out of Europe, and statements from BBC about how other "agencies" in Europe have similar information.
SparkleMotion
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FAKE NEWS! Sad!
It seems as if you have not been paying attention....
He couldn't make any of the posts he did if he were actually paying attention.
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