If he can, Trump would not go down without throwing Pence under the bus.
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Reports on Russian connections to Trump [Summaries in OP] #GoldenShowers
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If he can, Trump would not go down without throwing Pence under the bus.
The chance of Pence causing an international incident and massive loss of life is far less.
Trump is petty, incompetent, and reckless. Pence isn't pretty and would turn back all the dials on progress, but he's a much more stable actor than what's going on now.
fredrancour
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and he is going to have full freedom to pursue those policies as VP, too. trump is more shit atop the pile, not a different pile of shit.
however, if trump gets taken down I'd imagine he'd try to drag everyone he's ever met down with him, so unless pence really is the treason-free establishment republican stapled onto the exterior of the campaign that the RNC probably wants us to think he is, there'd probably be enough to make him look like shit too.
Yeah, Russia's kind of in a big win/win situation here. If they do have dirt enough to manipulate him maybe that's worth keeping it secret and doing so depending on what he could actually accomplish for them, but on the flip side letting that dirt go and throwing the US into complete chaos could benefit them more. And if they don't have any dirt, leaking that they do keeps things interesting, too!
They gotta be smiling ear to ear.
It's a CNN exclusive right now and other outlets have to follow their lead.
Master Yoshi
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But what about the emails? Has anyone mentioned Hillary's emails?
that, and to maintain the confidence of the people in the US democratic process.
nothing will happen guys.
EatinOlives
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While I'd love nothing more than to see Manchild Cheeto getting his ass arrested before he even steps into office, I think people are getting a little ahead of themselves.
The intelligence chiefs presented this information at the briefing last week. They're not seeking to charge Trump with anything in particular, just make him aware that they're aware of it. Even the CNN article mentions this:
And there is currently an investigation:
Granted this is the same Federal Bureau of Investigation that acted completely out of order in commenting on ongoing investigations about Clinton in a blatant attempt at swinging the election (which very well could have been a factor given the narrow margin of loss), so I have zero faith that they'll act on any (if they even uncover any) findings.
Orange Asshole WILL be inaugurated. There is zero doubt about that.
The intelligence chiefs presented this information at the briefing last week. They're not seeking to charge Trump with anything in particular, just make him aware that they're aware of it. Even the CNN article mentions this:
And there is currently an investigation:
Granted this is the same Federal Bureau of Investigation that acted completely out of order in commenting on ongoing investigations about Clinton in a blatant attempt at swinging the election (which very well could have been a factor given the narrow margin of loss), so I have zero faith that they'll act on any (if they even uncover any) findings.
Orange Asshole WILL be inaugurated. There is zero doubt about that.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
CNN broke it so I guess they get first dibs. They are talking about it now. Giving the whole timeline.
Oh, I guess I should point out that if Trump does get arrested, the world markets will promptly melt down for a week or so. It'll mirror the chaos from late 2014/early 2015 when the Chinese stock markets crashed... but the markets will rebound as they always do.
What I'm trying to get at is that doubt may be sown for American political power if the arrests do go forward, but there may be enough inertia in the system to overcome it. Profit, as always, is a great impetus for stability and certainty.
BlazingDarkness
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So this is why Trump is electing the worst possible people for his administration.
Climate change deniers, anti-vaxxers...
Trump is Putin's trojan horse. Putin probably told him who to choose, it wouldn't surprise me any more.
Climate change deniers, anti-vaxxers...
Trump is Putin's trojan horse. Putin probably told him who to choose, it wouldn't surprise me any more.
valkillmore
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Trump, repeatedly.
George Washington
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While this is interesting I doubt it will change anything (impeachment or otherwise). At most it will change his attitude towards Russia/Putin to be more hostile but that's all I can see happening at this point. Remember, this was the person caught talking about grabbing pussy and was still elected.
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Unless the damage is so severe that he resigns.
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Unless the damage is so severe that he resigns.
Meus Renaissance
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The problem is that the large group of people who chose to vote for him desire everything.
Trump being replaced does nothing to address the cause of his election; an uneducated, ignorant electorate that are seemingly easily convinced by an illiterate puppet of a foreign state.
Trump being replaced does nothing to address the cause of his election; an uneducated, ignorant electorate that are seemingly easily convinced by an illiterate puppet of a foreign state.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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They were already sort of doing that independent of Trump.
LegendofJoe
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Just imagining the possibility that Trump could be tried and convicted for treason is insane. A fucking presidential elect executed for treason.
It won't happen of course, but this is still an unprecedented situation.
It won't happen of course, but this is still an unprecedented situation.
superdeluxe
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Would Congress pick the president then? Mitt Romney is the most acceptable pick at this point IMHO
thehypocrite
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Did he fucked a pig?
ErasureAcer
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I thought he did this on purpose to bring up a "Trump Sex Tape" search to go to Machado(which doesn't exist) and not the rumors of his own sex tape held by Russian agents...the fact he's compromised.
Resident_UA
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I'd rather be alive and live in relatively free country with Pence than whatever the fuck is going to happen when Putin starts calling shots in the US.
Onlinehero
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Wow.
Your FBI director at work
"The memos originated as opposition research, first commissioned by anti-Trump Republicans, and later by Democrats. At this point, CNN is not reporting on details of the memos, as it has not independently corroborated the specific allegations."
So this is basically hearsay. CNN is basically making fake news. Nothing to see here and a waste of time.
So this is basically hearsay. CNN is basically making fake news. Nothing to see here and a waste of time.
whyamihere
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lol no
Occam's Razor: Trump is just an idiot with idiot friends/confidants.
That's not at all what "fake news" means.
Byakuya769
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I love we get an official letter from the director of the FBI concerning NOTHING. But a credible foreign agent's sources and assertions had to be evaluated at a glacial pace over 6 months.
As Comey said today (very paraphrased) "No, no, no that investigation was closed. But any collusion between any campaign and Russia I can't talk about in a public forum"
Stead Fast
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We haven't seen the tape yet, but he hasn't not fucked a pig.
valkillmore
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Everyone's been telling him to go fuck himself, so
But now we have proof that that group will literally vote for anyone. That's what's changed.
That's not treason. Treason is a very high bar in law.
This would be impeachable most likely.
IF. IF anything comes of this. He won't get hit with treason. Someone else will take the fall for that.
But more and more is coming out and I doubt this is the last of it. Who knows. Impeachment could be on the table.
Pop-O-Matic
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We haven't gotten to the pychic gimps, sentient White House AIs or 100+ year old plant men snipers or pregnant dudes yet. Hell, we haven't even had the fairly reasonable old man fist fight on top of a giant submarine with a Mt. Rushmore parody molded into it. 2/10 Kojimas.
Gurgelhals
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Obama would hold on to his deep institutionalist convictions even if all the governmental institutions had already crumbled to dust around him.
I mean, I greatly respect his view in principle, but this is a reality where principles have long been thrown overboard.
Keep dreaming.
Your FBI director at work
Lmao. That response.
nintendoman58
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The Hermit
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oh well
Our country is fucking broken at a fundamental level. The Electoral College, for one, should not fucking exist anymore. The main reason it exists is to prevent people like Trump from attaining the office, and yet it has failed. And as you said, we can't even go after him with mounting evidence of assistance from a hostile foreign country that has leverage on the President-elect.
It does not help that one of our two parties is more interested in party over country, and their base mindless votes for them while ignoring any news that not Fox News.
Our republic has massive, glaring issues but we are in no position to address them.
If the Trump campaign in some form spoke back and forth with Russia regarding this, and didn't present this information to Federal authorities who presumably exists to protect them, is that not treason to sit on it and pretend it's not there?
Stead Fast
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Au contraire, we haven't seen the details of these reports yet. This is just the groundwork, you'll see.
This isn't fake news. Trump was involved in treasonous activities, that is a fact.
thehypocrite
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Perfect Blue
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Hm, I interpreted this as Russia was investigating into Trump without his knowledge to tear him down and just cause more chaos. I didn't read it as they are collaborating together, because I feel like that would be way bigger news. Only CNN seems to be reporting this.
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