Interfectum
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Apple discussion on this forum has become worse than it ever has.
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Republique Kickstarter by Ryan Payton - NOW FOR PC AND MAC! [Ended, $555K funded]
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Apple discussion on this forum has become worse than it ever has.
They waited for too long imo. Announcing a PC version was the right thing to do, but at this point the general atmosphere surrounding this project is already too negative and its hard to change the way people regard it this late into the kickstarter. I believe it might be a lost cause at this point, to be honest.
MrCunningham
Member
I have to wonder how much of this boost comes directly from NeoGAF? Have there been other gaming sites that picked this news up?
Also, I wonder what caused it to generate $35k so fast on day one, and why did it drop so quickly? Was it just blind pledging on the first day?
There's really no harm in pledging. Kickstarter won't take any money out of your bank account until after the Kickstarter has ended and the project has met its goal. If the project doesn't meet it's goal before the cut off date, then nothing is going to happen to your money.
VariantX04
Loser slave of the system :(
Exactly. As if they aren't miserable enough already.
Tell me about it. It gets worse with each Apple thread. Arguments become more baseless and escalate to blatant hate.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
That post wasn't from this forum, it was from the comment section on the Kickstarter page.
I don't think that's an accurate representation of the arguments in this thread before the announcement.
Pearls before swine.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
Are you trying to defend Touch Arcade? If so then you should be unsurprised by any hate you receive.
That originated in Portable Ops actually.
You seemed to be talking about the demographic of iOS gamers when you made that remark.
IF said:
Ah, you were talking about Touch Arcade. Didn't seem that way in the context of your posts, but fair enough.
Edit: Oh, no, there we go. Thanks numble, I thought I'd read that correctly.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
Numble has been on my ignore list for the majority of the thread for a reason. Read the entire post again, then go back and look at the context where I first used it. Then think about what it means to "say again". It's absolutely ridiculous that I have to spell this out, but Numble gonna Numble.
Actually, numble gonna quote the relevant post:
It really doesn't matter though, you're in good company. I love the use of 'again' because it could well mean you're technically talking about Touch Arcade, but with some totally disjointed paragraph about demographics just above it.
The_Darkest_Red
Member
So what does "home" mean --- respected media outlets? Come on man, you were clearly talking about the iOS demographic.
Okay, you can split hairs and say pearls before swine is specifically about Touch Arcade, but the first paragraph that I quoted, about the iOS demographic content to be wallowing in mediocrity, is just as bad.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
That's not the entire post, and he avoided linking back to it for a reason. Tell me again that the subject of that post is not Touch Arcade. It was literally part of an argument about Touch Arcade's coverage. If you don't want to read I can't help you, but don't ever fall for Numble's shit.
The_Darkest_Red
Member
So are you saying that the "two demographics" you're referring to here are demographics of the gaming press? That seems a little... odd.
And if that's the case, I'm assuming "the community" is talking about the same group. You went on to say "we," which implies that you are part of that community. Do you work for the gaming press?
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
I'm saying that the pearls before swine comment was referring to Touch Arcade and Ryan's misguided attempts to reach out to them, and that much should be obvious to anyone with adequate reading comprehension. My observations about the two demographics are something I absolutely stand behind, and something that the people who matter (developers) found compelling.
Obvious linguistic ambiguity aside, I really hope the bolded is just in your head. You're just one guy on a forum that put forward a speculative opinion, not the gospel truth.
An argument that TouchArcade's coverage reflects the iOS demographic. You followed it up by saying Hodapp has a big following (he has less than 5000 followers).
If I am misreading your writing, than I misread, but I'm not trying to mislead. When you talk about "two demographics" it sounds like you're talking about iOS gamers vs PC/core gamers. I never interpreted as gaming press demographics of iOS gaming press vs the core gaming press (it's odd since IGN mobile's coverage has been pretty good).
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
Added links. But I'm glad we're past the deliberate misreading of words phase.
The_Darkest_Red
Member
So adequate reading comprehension should compel me to completely disconnect this:
from the statement that directly follows it:
Just because the Touch Arcade debacle sparked your comment doesn't mean it's impossible for you to expand the scope of it, which you clearly did in the comments everyone is quoting.
Anyway, you seem convinced that you can defend this so I'll drop it, but it seems very dishonest on your part to act like the connection we're commenting on isn't an easy one to make.
Have zero issue with them deciding not to cover kick-starters. If any of the gaming sites I follow started to/continued to post about every damn kickstarter I'd stop reading their news sections.
The editor being a jerk on twitter, well yeah he was a jerk.
If your paragraph immediately preceding the "pears before swine" comment is about iOS gamers content to wallow in mediocrity, it's not a stretch for people to interpret that comment as concluding the previous paragraph (talking about iOS gamers). Especially when you contrast that with telling them to "come home."
Leave TouchArcade and come home to us core gamers, we're waiting.
Leave iOS gamers and come home to us core gamers, we're waiting.
Which one is a better/plausible interpretation? I guess I just interpreted it wrong. No need to go on an ad hominem attack.
Leave TouchArcade and come home to us core gamers, we're waiting.
Leave iOS gamers and come home to us core gamers, we're waiting.
Which one is a better/plausible interpretation? I guess I just interpreted it wrong. No need to go on an ad hominem attack.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
It was unfortunate, two weeks is just such a small amount of time and the well was poisoned from the start. Regardless, today there's already more new backers than yesterday so word is spreading. If they had set a more modest goal like 250k they could've reached it easily.
Unfortunately it is too little too late for them now. I wonder if the project will carry on without kickstarter funds.Several PC sites - notably Rock Paper Shotgun - are now providing coverage on Repub now. Probably not enough to push it to $500K, but it definitely helps.
Does anyone know if it would be possible, say if this hits the $300,000 mark, if Camoflaj could just kick in the remaining $200K to ensure they get the money?
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
I just read that article. Good stuff.
My understanding is that Amazon prohibits this if you're using your own card, and that it would actually violate the policies of the credit card agencies. Theoretically I guess you could have a friend throw in the money. It would have to be a very good friend though. Note that Kickstarter donations are capped at $10k, so you'd need 20 different accounts to make $200k.
That actually sounds like a neat Kickstarter trick. If you're 80% to your funding goal on the last day, if you personally pay the 20%, you get the 80% funding. Otherwise the entire Kickstarter is unfounded and you get 0%.
The taxes + amazon/kickstarter cuts are so cumulatively high that paying 200k to get 300k might be a complete waste of money.
Not to mention completely against Kickstarters ToS. They will kill the whole project if they can trace any amount to an account of someone involved.
This comes up in every single Kickstarter thread.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
That's not true, Double Fine's haul was still massive after the cuts. I don't remember the precise numbers but it was more than everyone expected. Producing the goods to send people is actually where the most cost comes in.
The Amazon and Kickstarter cuts are like 5-10% total right, and you'd get about 90% of your payment back anyway, since you're paying yourself. I don't know where taxes come in. It'd be more like paying $20,000 to get 90% of $300k + $180k of your payment.
BradNicholson
Neo Member
There are a lot of reasons why TouchArcade doesn't cover Kickstarter games anymore. One of them is that creators can make sudden changes to goals and platforms. If we had covered Republique, for example, we would have been funneling money into an exciting mobile project that has now become multi-platform as it struggles to hit its funding goals. What this is now isn't what early pledgers threw money at.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
Your lack of coverage is not why people think you're a joke. It is your lack of tact, professionalism, and frankly maturity. However, I would like to personally thank you for your part in driving this project to the PC. I'm not sure we could have done it without you. You were precisely what we needed.
How is the bolded bit different from any other game in development?
They're not removing the support for the platform you cover, they're just adding a new one. Pledges can always be cancelled if people feel they no longer want to support the project. You make it sound like this is some insidious bait and switch.
Haunted
Member
I think you mistyped shitfarter.
I don't think anyone cares if Toucharcade covers Kickstarters since there is a fair bit of them but it's how the Editor handled himself showing how unprofessional and honestly how ignorant he was.
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Deleted member 17706
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In the case of the Pebble watch, people are putting up money just to buy the watch. They already have working prototypes, so people are just getting in on the initial batch to buy them before the price rises.
Well, to be fair, other games in development don't ask for money from end consumers until their identity is actually established.
But even so, the Kickstarter premise only permits additions, not removals. As I said regarding linux support for Shadowrun:
It's the same damn game.
No wonder the iOS community has garnered so much hate.
They had to make changes to allow the game to survive. Creating it for two platforms does not compromise the original vision.
TouchArcade covers shit like Marvel VS Capcom 2 which is one of the worst ports I've ever seen and designed explicitly to exploit the iOS community.
No, it's like those that declared "betrayal" when Instagram was released for Android. It's pathetic and entitled.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
Alright it looks like we're getting some traction here:
If we can pull about $20k a day leading up to the final hours, this thing still has a legitimate chance.
If we can pull about $20k a day leading up to the final hours, this thing still has a legitimate chance.
Thanks to the last "The Banner Saga" update, I discovered this little gem. I backed the project. I admit that I fear that it's a little late, but I guess there is still hope (though this project will need a lot of advertising - I have to agree with some fellow neogafers here, they really shouldn't have limited themselves to iOS at the beginning, they shoot themselves in the foot).
Yet you posted an article on The Walking Dead today:
http://toucharcade.com/2012/04/27/v...-everything-we-wanted-and-coming-soon-to-ios/
Is this game somehow different on ios than the steam version I bought and played through days ago? Heck you didn't even play this on an ios device but on a mac.
Multi platform is an asinine reason not to cover a game.
Neuromancer
Member
14 days and $380K left. Is it hopeless?
(I'm not shitting on the game, I want it to come out and pledged $10.)
(I'm not shitting on the game, I want it to come out and pledged $10.)
Well, we saw some projects getting huge amounts of money during the final days/hours, so I don't think that it's hopeless. We don't lose anything by pledging. But, yes, it won't be a trivial matter to get this game funded in time.
Also, $500,000 is quite a juge amount of money from the get-go...
*sigh* Wait and see I guess.
Also, $500,000 is quite a juge amount of money from the get-go...
*sigh* Wait and see I guess.