MPO is crap, but it's certainly not Payton's fault. Not only did he not head the project, it was was made in a very short period, less than a year I believe.
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Republique Kickstarter by Ryan Payton - NOW FOR PC AND MAC! [Ended, $555K funded]
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HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Oh yeah because putting your game on a phone you can get for free provided you wanna pay for a cell-phone as almost everyone does nowadays (3GS on contract) is so fucking elitist.
HadesGigas
Member
How do you go from this:
To adding in two more platforms that are getting a version tailored to them at the same target money amount, and still no Android version?
To adding in two more platforms that are getting a version tailored to them at the same target money amount, and still no Android version?
Being willing to take a shot at making less/no income until it goes on sale/crests $500k.
Android users don't buy games and is a much MUCH harder platform to support than iOS.
Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
upped my pledge to $15 hope they make the $500k
GhostWriter24
Member
No chance. Sorry, this one's gunna fall way short of its goal.
HadesGigas
Member
"PC users don't buy games" would be just as accurate.
Not at all. Well, maybe I should rephrase it as Android users don't buy games for their Android devices. They very well may use Steam or a console or two. Android users' aversion to paying for, well, anything is quite well-documented.
Look, I don't want to steer this any further off-topic, but 71,000 downloads isn't much at all. Even their previous one only clocked 150k, and people buying into "pay-what-you-want" is obviously not what we're discussing.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Holy shit.
"It was a straight up insult to develop a "real" game on iOS (only). It is not a real gaming platform. I would have led the biggest boycott I possible could just to push that point. I would have prayed they they ended up homeless and sick."
What the fuck is wrong with people?
"It was a straight up insult to develop a "real" game on iOS (only). It is not a real gaming platform. I would have led the biggest boycott I possible could just to push that point. I would have prayed they they ended up homeless and sick."
What the fuck is wrong with people?
HadesGigas
Member
The android thing isn't the main issue i have anyway, just seems odd to me they can throw in a PC/Mac version that isn't a straight port at $0 more than they wanted to do an iphone game. That's either them initially wanting way more than they needed or a recipe to go bankrupt by the time the game is finished.
They just never played Sworcery when it came out last year.
IIRC they're developing it on Unity, which would mean it wouldn't be that hard for them to just port it over. Them developing a different frame for the story would probably mean, say, the game lost a "level" or two if they don't hit. Also remember that since the releases are staggered money they make from the iOS release would fund the further dev on the PC/Mac one.
Thanks for taking a level-headed approach. Wasn't expected, and I completely agree that labels help (or connections with "better times" with the Double Fine/Tim Schafer example). I still disagree that gameplay and a bottom-up approach is necessary, and is exactly why I gave Gears of War as an example of terrible overall game design because the story didn't go hand-in-hand with the gameplay.
My philosophy is that 50% is the idea or ambition (the story) and 50% is the game mechanics (obviously visual and aural aesthetics factor in this as well). I think the idea is a nice start but an idea is pointless without gameplay that sells it. The feeling you get when you play a game should come from the context of the story and how the game plays. A perfect marriage. It's kind of hard to describe, but imagine trying to portray an emotion through a game such that the player really feels it. I'd use both story and gameplay to get across the emotion where each aspect is inseparable from the other. They're complementary.
That'd be ideal for me, at least. It's what I'm trying to do. If/when I break into the industry, that will be my goal. The makers of Journey have a philosophy similar to that of my own.
Anyways, thanks for clearing that up. I agree with a lot of these points that you readdressed. I still think most people on Kickstarter wouldn't have any idea who Hideki Kamiya was despite his stellar list of accomplishments, and therefore wouldn't fund a game of his based on name alone. A label or connection is almost required. And even if he did manage support, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't turn a profit, because sadly most people who play games wouldn't know who he is.
Until the medium becomes more accepted and widespread, less notice will be paid to the talent behind these games. I hope one day this changes where directors and writers can sell games based on name alone, but that will require the industry to grow a lot. Until then, artists like Ryan Payton and crew are doing this for guys like you and me who actually do pay attention. They want us to take a chance on this new idea and embrace the experience for what it is.
Also, congratulations to the group for breaking 100K, and I'm glad they decided to make it multiplat. I don't even have an iPad (I'll be getting one over the summer, I think... but that's not the point).
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
They mention Sworcery, too.
Dog Problems
Banned
People are miserable and want others to be miserable.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Can someone summarizes why this project isn't being funded and why people seem to be angry about the project in general? Just curious.
I backed it today with $20.
I backed it today with $20.
Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
people were cry babies because it was a mobile game only
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
First, people were pissed off it was iOS only. A few were pissed off that it was iOS at all.
Then, they were pissed off that Peyton caved at such a late date and made it multi-platform.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Damn, people really hate their iOS devices. Of course they are free to fund whatever they want though, and honestly a 500k kickstarter for an iOS game may not have been the best idea in the first place, but I'm excited for it. Too bad it looks like it won't meet its goal.
There's nothing to be pissed about in regards to the second one, but it was too late. This kickstarter is already damaged goods. The announcement came far too late to really be of any consequence.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Apparently enough to wish the team goes homeless.
I really should not be surprised by that.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Where was that quote from out of curiosity.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
The comments section of the Kickstarter. Some people can't handle that their idols might dare do something they dislike. I mean, hell, look at the BioWares forums or even the BioWare threads here on GAF.
A lot of people responded to that poster, who acted like he had said nothing wrong.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Geez, I need to use Kickstarter more often. I didn't even know you could comment. Thanks.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
It's a shame that the Penny Arcade plug came a day too early, that could've really helped blow the news up.
I could definitely see this game getting picked up by an investor/publisher, what they have so far looks super high quality. Any publisher should be proud to have a game like this on their hands.
So a bunch of people agreed with them? Weird, I wonder why people have this reaction with Apple related stuff.
So a bunch of people agreed with them? Weird, I wonder why people have this reaction with Apple related stuff.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Hmm, does Kickstarter allow you to request more than one reward?
Like, could you give $25 and get both the iOS and the PC version?
Or even being able to get 2x (or more) of another reward?
Not pledging, just curious if they (KS) have foreseen the possibility without the project starter having to add separate tiers.
Like, could you give $25 and get both the iOS and the PC version?
Or even being able to get 2x (or more) of another reward?
Not pledging, just curious if they (KS) have foreseen the possibility without the project starter having to add separate tiers.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Normally, I don't get heated on people's Kickstarters. I felt the need to say something, and they instantly fell back on "lol it was a joke".
Vyse The Legend
Member
Did he really? Wow.
Also, it may be too late for this one. I want to be wrong, but this needs to start pulling in 40k a day ASAP.
There already are tiers for getting both.
HadesGigas
Member
$20 gets you both...
HadesGigas
Member
Still not really sure what you're asking, but no. you can only select one reward tier. Though often the reward description will say "includes all previous tiers" if that is their intent.
There's also problems editing the text of a reward tier once someone has already pledged to it. Kickstarter doesn't seem to let people do that to avoid shady things like removing rewards.
VariantX04
Loser slave of the system :(
This is the saddest a NeoGAF post has ever made me. Why do people like that exist?
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
The way the Tex Murphy and Obsidian projects are
taking there time and planing well in advance is the way to go.
taku
Member
Okay. (Bump)
So, for all of you guys who were against this game being developed solely for iOS in the first place, now's your chance to help out.
As most of you all know, they have announced PC and MAC.
Come the fuck on, people. Spread the word! I really think that this project is the start of something great, don't let it go to waste!
Edit: Fuck it, I'm raising my pledge.
So, for all of you guys who were against this game being developed solely for iOS in the first place, now's your chance to help out.
As most of you all know, they have announced PC and MAC.
Come the fuck on, people. Spread the word! I really think that this project is the start of something great, don't let it go to waste!
Edit: Fuck it, I'm raising my pledge.
Don't worry about it man. Those people are going to be fucking miserable over the next few years, let them lash out.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
If Ryan is still reading the thread, can there be an iOS and Desktop "plus" tier that includes both versions of the game and the soundtrack/documentary series?
slaughterking
Member
michaelius
Banned
"Free" phone in contract - now that made me laugh.
Haunted
Member
I just saw that this Pebble watch thing is about to approach 7 fucking million dollars. That's pretty insane as far as Kickstarters go.
Wish Republique could get some of that attention. The RPS article comments don't fill me with hope if that's the general atmosphere, though. :/
Wish Republique could get some of that attention. The RPS article comments don't fill me with hope if that's the general atmosphere, though. :/