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[GhostWriter24]

I love the "Take you to a nice dinner" tier reward for ten grand. Like what, they're doing you a big favor by treating you to a meal at the Olive Garden or Denny's? A sports bar? Why would anyone care about this?

How about for a 10k donation you make .25% of the game's total profits? That's some incentive, at least you have a chance at making a bit of your moolah back. Why people continue to act as loan sharks for these companies is beyond me...I really have trouble comprehending when there's no profit in return. Like people are content with throwing their money away...

 

[GarthVaderUK]

Donated. Fingers crossed!

 

[epmode]

How about for a 10k donation you make .25% of the game's total profits? That's some incentive, at least you have a chance at making a bit of your moolah back.

Illegal. In America, at least. The government doesn't like crowd investing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accredited_investor

 

[zroid]

I love the "Take you to a nice dinner" tier reward for ten grand. Like what, they're doing you a big favor by treating you to a meal at the Olive Garden or Denny's? A sports bar? Why would anyone care about this?

How about for a 10k donation you make .25% of the game's total profits? That's some incentive, at least you have a chance at making a bit of your moolah back. Why people continue to act as loan sharks for these companies is beyond me...I really have trouble comprehending when there's no profit in return. Like people are content with throwing their money away...

Kickstarter is meant for customers, not investors or venture capitalists. If a customer is passionate enough about the product to contribute $10k, then getting a chance to meet the team and have a meal with them is probably something they'd appreciate.

I would assume! I'm not that guy.


Also-- noticed it's crossed 8000 backers!

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I love the "Take you to a nice dinner" tier reward for ten grand. Like what, they're doing you a big favor by treating you to a meal at the Olive Garden or Denny's? A sports bar? Why would anyone care about this?

How about for a 10k donation you make .25% of the game's total profits? That's some incentive, at least you have a chance at making a bit of your moolah back. Why people continue to act as loan sharks for these companies is beyond me...I really have trouble comprehending when there's no profit in return. Like people are content with throwing their money away...

You don't understand Kickstarter. That's okay, but you should stop trying to turn it into something it's not.

It's not about turning the masses into armchair venture capitalists.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

Over a thousand new backers today.



75k left to go.

 

[MrCunningham]

Whats up with the hesitant backers?

I'm watching this right now and it jumps from $424,940 to $424,830 to $424,755 and back to $424,865? Are people just indecisive, retracting bids, or just being idiots by constantly adding and retracting them?

 

[Vire]

I love the "Take you to a nice dinner" tier reward for ten grand. Like what, they're doing you a big favor by treating you to a meal at the Olive Garden or Denny's? A sports bar? Why would anyone care about this?

How about for a 10k donation you make .25% of the game's total profits? That's some incentive, at least you have a chance at making a bit of your moolah back. Why people continue to act as loan sharks for these companies is beyond me...I really have trouble comprehending when there's no profit in return. Like people are content with throwing their money away...

Fuck man, you are a Knicks fan and then post something as stupid as this.

 

[Card Boy]

Whats up with the hesitant backers?

I got hundreds of games already and the game is already going to be made regardless of the kick-starter so i see no point in wasting my dosh. Plus i already have done my bit in other Kickstarters. Also announcing the PC/Mac version so late makes me hesitant.

 

[MrCunningham]

I got hundreds of games already and the game is already going to be made regardless of the kick-starter so i see no point in wasting my dosh. Plus i already have done my bit in other Kickstarters. Also announcing the PC/Mac version so late makes me hesitant.

OK, fair enough. But I wonder where this whole "game is already going to be made regardless of the kick-starter" thing comes from? I know they said they will try alternate means of funding if this fails, but I don't think anyone said it was a 100% guarantee. Did they?

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

OK, fair enough. But I wonder where this whole "game is already going to be made regardless of the kick-starter" thing comes from? I know they said they will try alternate means of funding if this fails, but I don't think anyone said it was a 100% guarantee. Did they?

They said they've gotten some offers during the campaign. It's just a question of what they'd have to give up. It would probably involve losing the IP and creative control. Obviously that's not the way they want to make the game, and it's not the way I want them to make it either. I understand the argument that it'll exist anyway, but the same was true for The Banner Saga, Nekro, and others. It may exist, but you won't be getting the same game if the Kickstarter fails, so it's certainly not the case that your donation makes no difference.

 

[MrCunningham]

They said they've gotten some offers during the campaign. It's just a question of what they'd have to give up. It would probably involve losing the IP and creative control. Obviously that's not the way they want to make the game, and it's not the way I want them to make it either.

yeah, I've heard that too, along with the talk about going to venture capital funding, which would mean they would have to give up the rights of the game as collateral until they can pay of their debts. But it doesn't sound like they have a 100% guaranteed back up plan yet.

But yeah, they really want to keep ownership rights to themselves so they can keep creative control, that's what I would like to see for them too. Hopefully this makes it. It's getting close.

$74,315 left.

 

[zroid]

I got hundreds of games already and the game is already going to be made regardless of the kick-starter so i see no point in wasting my dosh. Plus i already have done my bit in other Kickstarters. Also announcing the PC/Mac version so late makes me hesitant.

The saddest thing would be if it creeps juuust over 500k, and then at the eleventh hour all those people who only backed so that it would get made retract their pledges, figuring their money is no longer required.

 

[GuardianE]

The saddest thing would be if it creeps juuust over 500k, and then at the eleventh hour all those people who only backed so that it would get made retract their pledges, figuring their money is no longer required.

I really just don't understand that the mentality of backing out when the goal hasn't been met yet. Even if you really don't want to fund something that's going to "make it" (which alone baffles me). I mean, you're going to be so busy tomorrow that you can't check in to see how it's doing and then retract your pledge?

 

[Karish]

This thing is gonna hit its goal!

 

[GhostWriter24]

You don't understand Kickstarter. That's okay, but you should stop trying to turn it into something it's not.

It's not about turning the masses into armchair venture capitalists.

Donating $10,000 to an iphone project and getting next to nothing in return isn't being generous -- it's asinine.

 

[GuardianE]

Donating $10,000 to an iphone project and getting next to nothing in return isn't being generous -- it's asinine.

Those upper tier rewards aren't intended for people to get something of equal value. It's for people with tons of money that just want to see the project get finished. Believe it or not, there are plenty of people out there where $10,000 really isn't all that much. It makes sense to have a reward of that level, just in case there's one of those rich folk out there who loves your game idea.

 

[Hydrogen Bluebird]

Donating $10,000 to an iphone project and getting next to nothing in return isn't being generous -- it's asinine.

Yup. Which might be one of the reasons why the Kickstarter took a long time to get off the ground. The rewards for some of the pledge amounts they are asking for are ridiculous.

 

[Oblivionmancer]

Yup. Which might be one of the reasons why the Kickstarter took a long time to get off the ground. The rewards for some of the pledge amounts they are asking for are ridiculous.

Given the huge successes other kickstarters have had, I don't think they went in thinking they needed the high-rollers to drag themselves over the line; those tiers are obviously not about some equitable value proposition, but allowing people with big wallets and a high level of interest to contribute accordingly. The plan, realistically, was to get to the goal on the basis of thousands of 15-50 dollar contributions, not to go in expecting most of their funding to come from people anteing up 10k for a dinner date.

 

[El-Suave]

Yup. Which might be one of the reasons why the Kickstarter took a long time to get off the ground. The rewards for some of the pledge amounts they are asking for are ridiculous.

But that's the case with almost every gaming Kickstarter I've seen. There is no logical justification for the higher tiers. Even when you look at the lower tiers the donations aspect clearly becomes prevalent. Nobody would normally pay $50 for a t-shirt for example which is sometimes the only difference between tiers at the lower levels. Beyond a certain pledge level, you can't approach this model with logic.

 

[EXGN]

Donating $10,000 to an iphone project and getting next to nothing in return isn't being generous -- it's asinine.

The tiers are set up similar to the Double Fine ones. Lunch with Schafer and Gilbert got four people to contribute $10,000. Not saying it makes sense, but that's kinda par for the course with these Kickstarters.

 

[zroid]

Rewards that would "justify" their price would be expensive. That completely contradicts the purpose of a Kickstarter.

The point of offering rewards, especially at higher tiers, is to provide something unique and perhaps with intangible value. For people who can afford it.

 

[RurouniZel]

$30 added to the pile from me.

Good luck, guys!

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

70k to go.

Rewards that would "justify" their price would be expensive. That completely contradicts the purpose of a Kickstarter.

The point of offering rewards, especially at higher tiers, is to provide something unique and perhaps with intangible value. For people who can afford it.

Very well said.

 

[MrCunningham]

The tiers are set up similar to the Double Fine ones. Lunch with Schafer and Gilbert got four people to contribute $10,000. Not saying it makes sense, but that's kinda par for the course with these Kickstarters.

Well, in Tim Shaffer and Ron Gilbert's case, they have a bit of an elevated status of being gaming legends. So I can kinda see the appeal there for some backer with $10k burning a whole in his/ her pocket.

But someone like Ryan Payton... ehh.. well... At least you'd get to play the entire game before anyone else....

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Please stop talking about ROI on anything involving Kickstarter, ever. Please.

It's patronage. The 10K pledge tier is for people who have 10K to burn and expect nothing in return except the existence of the thing they are patronizing. That is what patronage is.

That is, in fact, what every tier is. That is what Kickstarter is. The rewards are just thank yous. This is not a difficult concept. If you think it's silly then don't contribute. Or post about it being silly.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I kicked in $15. Hope they make it.

 

[superdeluxe]

Whats up with the hesitant backers?

I'm watching this right now and it jumps from $424,940 to $424,830 to $424,755 and back to $424,865? Are people just indecisive, retracting bids, or just being idiots by constantly adding and retracting them?

Some one posted that because they felt it was going to make it, that they didn't need the larger bid

 

[GhostWriter24]

The tiers are set up similar to the Double Fine ones. Lunch with Schafer and Gilbert got four people to contribute $10,000. Not saying it makes sense, but that's kinda par for the course with these Kickstarters.

If you pay me $100 I will take you to a McDonalds dollar menu extravaganza*.

Spoiler

*Extraveganza has a $20 cash value.

 

[Meus Renaissance]

They've got an average of $3,750 per hour in the last eight hours, this came with the help of an additional 700 backers in that timespan. They need to hit an average of $3,361 per hour for the next nineteen hours to make it.

They need to market the hell out of it to maintain this momentum. Every backer they find is one less source of funding (as I doubt people will re-donate again)

 

[Haunted]

If you pay me $100 I will take you to a McDonalds dollar menu extravaganza*.

Spoiler

*Extraveganza has a $20 cash value.

And now think about why no one takes you up on that offer, but people shell out a hundred times that for a dinner with Schafer and Gilbert.

 

[GuardianE]

If you pay me $100 I will take you to a McDonalds dollar menu extravaganza*.

Spoiler

*Extraveganza has a $20 cash value.

Kickstarter isn't a store.

 

[daegan]

I added a dollar as an extra "fuck you" to Hodapp.

 

[LiK]

If you pay me $100 I will take you to a McDonalds dollar menu extravaganza*.

Spoiler

*Extraveganza has a $20 cash value.

You're not making a game I'm interested in so no thanks.

 

[Yoshiya]

Pledged $20 just because I'd like to be indignant in the eventual "So this game sucks" thread next year. Or, you know, possibly end up with a unique and memorable game.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

So close dammit! Backers making it rain up in here.

 

[GuardianE]

Pledged $20 just because I'd like to be indignant in the eventual "So this game sucks" thread next year. Or, you know, possibly end up with a unique and memorable game.

It's win-win!

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

If you pay me $100 I will take you to a McDonalds dollar menu extravaganza*.

Spoiler

*Extraveganza has a $20 cash value.

Are you being willfully dense

 

[soxinthebox]

If you pay me $100 I will take you to a McDonalds dollar menu extravaganza*.

Spoiler

*Extraveganza has a $20 cash value.

m8 at least give me the option to pay more for the same

 

[C4Lukins]

Shit I think it could make it. I never thought it would, but I will gladly eat crow on this one.

Actually I know it will. The developers just need to invest 50K of their own money to get the additional 450K in funding. Who would not do that at this point? Yes taxes and rewards, and kickstarters percentage, but yeah just invest 50K of your own money to make it happen. Crazy times.

 

[Haunted]

Actually I know it will. The developers just need to invest 50K of their own money to get the additional 450K in funding. Who would not do that at this point? Yes taxes and rewards, and kickstarters percentage, but yeah just invest 50K of your own money to make it happen. Crazy times.

Illegal. If they get caught, the Kickstarter gets cancelled.

Obviously there's ways around that, but it's a risk. Looks like this might just eke by the goal the on its own (assuming no shenanigans have taken place so far). I think the aggressive Twitter marketing has helped them out. Payton called in a lot of favours for this one.

 

[MrCunningham]

Illegal. If they get caught, the Kickstarter gets cancelled.

Yup, that would be a breach of their Terms of Service contract.



Update: $65,315 needs to be raised in 18 hours....

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Donating $10,000 to an iphone project and getting next to nothing in return isn't being generous -- it's asinine.

You don't seem to get it.

This is a kind of democratic patronage. The idea is that you're pledging money to help the things you want made get made. Without your funding, it wouldn't be made. That's why people donate far more than whatever the end product may end up costing. They want to help make the product happen. They want to support the person or people making it. Anyone donating $10,000 obviously has a lot of money, so they probably aren't hurting too much.

This particular project looks like it will be made regardless of the Kickstarter, which makes me suspicious of it, but that's not what Kickstarter is about.

 

[Aaron]

Donating $10,000 to an iphone project and getting next to nothing in return isn't being generous -- it's asinine.

$10k means different things to different people. To some people it's just not a lot of money.

 

[transience]

This is fun to watch. Best of luck to Ryan and friends. They have to be going crazy just hitting reload all night.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

64k to go with 18 hours left. I'm off to bed.

 

[onlyindreams]

It's gonna make it. Hodapp's crow-eating will be glorious.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Just wait until 5 minutes before it ends and some jerk retracts his $100.

 

[C4Lukins]

Illegal. If they get caught, the Kickstarter gets cancelled.

Obviously there's ways around that, but it's a risk. Looks like this might just eke by the goal the on its own (assuming no shenanigans have taken place so far). I think the aggressive Twitter marketing has helped them out. Payton called in a lot of favours for this one.

I did not know this.

 

[Eurocult]

upped my pledge from $15 to $20.

People "backing out" now that the kickstarter is looking to succeed is lol-worthy.