Damian black
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The aiming sucks ass in the remake.
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Resident Evil 4 aged like milk and plays like trash
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
thank you
01011001
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they didn't tho. the original controls way better than the remake for example
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The whole game is basically an insult to the original Resident Evil trilogy and that's why it's funny that it has so many fanboys.
The reason why RE7 was made was because the legacy of RE4 almost ruined the franchise and they had to reboot the series. It was basically COD. If you call RE4 the best RE game, then don't complain when RE9 is an updated RE6.
The reason why RE7 was made was because the legacy of RE4 almost ruined the franchise and they had to reboot the series. It was basically COD. If you call RE4 the best RE game, then don't complain when RE9 is an updated RE6.
phant0m
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I soon as I saw who the OP was I knew it would be.
Sleepwalker
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Tank controls resident evil sucks ass and I'll gladly welcome Re5remake and re9 in the spirit of 6
4 is the best.
Signal Rockets
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I don't know why folk on YouTube are being salty by saying this isn't a horror game. Sure, RE4 has a lot of action. That's always been the case, because we know what the original game was responsible for creating. But I thought these first encounters in the village were pretty intense.
I died three times, at least. That's enough for me to say, you need to buckle up. I guess once you start upgrading your shit, it will probably be a lot easier.
I died three times, at least. That's enough for me to say, you need to buckle up. I guess once you start upgrading your shit, it will probably be a lot easier.
Killer8
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RE4 was a highly necessary reboot at the time because the original formula had been run into the ground. People forget that we'd already had:
- Resident Evil
- Resident Evil 2
- Resident Evil 3: Nemesis
- Resident Evil: Code Veronica
- Resident Evil Zero
- REmake
... plus numerous light gun games and the two Outbreak online spin-offs. This was all in a span of 8 years. The series was absolutely saturated and there was very little direction for it to move in without doing a total reboot. The godfather of the series, Shinji Mikami, who had to step in to direct the game, said it best:
The best series reinvent themselves to stay relevant and RE4 did that absolutely masterfully, to the point where it's difficult for most people to say what is their favorite RE game - REmake or RE4.
You have a point in that the series went off the rails with RE6, but that was not the fault of the RE4 style gameplay per se, and instead was because of Capcom trying to chase the Gears/COD/Halo action trend. RE7 was a return to some of the more traditional elements like the Metroidvania-esque mansion, the inventory chests, more puzzles, locked doors etc. But like RE4, it also reinvented the series controversially with a first person perspective - which has its own set of people who hate that much like RE4's direction.
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Signal Rockets
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It's polarising, I guess.
Roni
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I actually agree with OP and I was in the crowd RE4 is not RE. But even as an action game, there's better stuff out there since Gears was a thing in terms of controls.
And I've always felt Castle was the worst part of the game: Village is great and Island is great too, it's the Castle that is not only too large, but too comical as well. With things like giant robots, rail carts and the like...
IMO, OP is actually pretty spot on. Game was cool back in '05, but it has been surpassed by other stuff. It's in no way like MGS, where nothing like it has come out since...
And I've always felt Castle was the worst part of the game: Village is great and Island is great too, it's the Castle that is not only too large, but too comical as well. With things like giant robots, rail carts and the like...
IMO, OP is actually pretty spot on. Game was cool back in '05, but it has been surpassed by other stuff. It's in no way like MGS, where nothing like it has come out since...
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RE4 was basically a parody of the original games made for Nintendo. A good example of a modern SH game is Dead Space 1, so changing the gameplay was never the problem. The problem was changing the identity of the series and that's what Mikami did. By changing the identity of the series it was easy for Capcom to create RE5 and 6 since RE4 was already the blueprint.
And they pretty much regretted it later by calling RE6 a mistake. The whole point of RE7 was Capcom admiting that.
01011001
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I like RE6, it was a good coop shooter with good controls and a really fun moveset
RE7 was just RE1 but dumbed down
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DownLikeBCPowder
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IMO Re4 still plays great. But I also think Re2/3 play great (originals with tank).
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01011001
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they wouldn't because people now want homogenized games that all control the exact same as any other game that's roughly the same genre, not because they are any worse now than they were back when it released or because they were bad.
which is a sad state of affairs imo, because that makes developers less likely to try new things because they are scared their AAA game will fail due to casual players (which is the biggest chunk of the gaming market now) not being able to get used to them immediately
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VeganElduderino
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This thread will keep me busy for a while hahaha
I’ve bought resident evil 4 three times in three different platforms but never got what the big deal was. It’s a decent game for its time. Maybe even above average. It’s still fine today but there has been so much that has been better than it in the last decades that it probably need a remake to stay relevant
digital_ghost
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Shunn the non believer shunn
Rykan
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This is absurd.
the "Legacy of RE4" almost ruined the franchise? Er No. The unsustainable high costs of Resident Evil 6 almost ruined the franchise and is the reason the series changed pace with RE7. You're trying to unfairly put the blame on Resident Evil 4 when in reality, it's actually due to Resident Evil 5 & 6 that the series required change. Not 4.
Talking about "The Legacy of" is absurd.
semiconscious
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yep. as someone currently replaying the original in anticipation of the remake, no, i will not miss this version. not at all...
rodrigolfp
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It didn't. It already born an abortion. 30fps, stick aiming, no strafe left/right, no moving + shooting/reloading. Gladly Capcom never did this again after RE5 (that at least had some strafe already).
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Eddie-Griffin
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My issue with RE4 isn't that it's a bad game, it's fine. My issue is that it's nothing special.
It's a new direction for the RE series, one people complain about but still make an exception for this game. But I don't see why outside of fandom of RE/Capcom/GC why someone would be impressed by what it's doing compared to other TPS at the time, including the ones that let you move like Freedom Fighters. The horror theme wasn't overplayed then I guess but if RE4 was not a Resident Evil game, it would probably get average reviews and been seen as a good horror title on PS2/GC but not something that stand out much.
It's a new direction for the RE series, one people complain about but still make an exception for this game. But I don't see why outside of fandom of RE/Capcom/GC why someone would be impressed by what it's doing compared to other TPS at the time, including the ones that let you move like Freedom Fighters. The horror theme wasn't overplayed then I guess but if RE4 was not a Resident Evil game, it would probably get average reviews and been seen as a good horror title on PS2/GC but not something that stand out much.
01011001
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"man I hate how the character movement is perfectly designed to work well with the AI behavior and leveldesign! And I especially hate that it doesn't play exactly like every other shooter!"
why are there so many casuals on this forum
rodrigolfp
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Do you mean retarded AI because retarded controls? Gladly the remake has less retarded AI and faster controls."man I hate how the character movement is perfectly designed to work well with the AI behavior and leveldesign! And I especially hate that it doesn't play exactly like every other shooter!"
why are there so many casuals on this forum
StreetsofBeige
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Never played RE 4, but got to say the thread title is catchy. lol
JimmyRustler
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Capcom was, just like many other devs at that time, CoD and Gears of War at that time. That, coupled with the movies, was the reason RE 5 got Coop and RE 6 all the needless bombast. The production costs exploded and it was all for nothing. That is why Capcom went back to the drawing board with RE7. This all had nothing to do with RE4.
Giallo Corsa
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Well, at least the OP got (and will continue to get) lots of emoji reactions from you lovely people - mission accomplished I suppose.
Now, the man (I just assumed his gender) has a point , I don't know which version he played but the HD remaster i completed a couple of months ago, control-wise was...bad, you see, the good guys at Capcom tried to translate the digital controls of yore to analogue ones and the results are not good since - with the analogue stick for aiming - you're confined to a square -like box when shooting/aiming, meaning, it doesn't feel smooth at all - something which wasn't present in the GC and PS2 versions.
As for the "comedy" the game presents you with...it may be endearing but I also felt that it got silly after a certain while, the village/church/lake portions have always been God-like from an atmospheric point of view but the castle drags on for too long as does the island bit, everything in-between is good though.
In short, mechanically-wise the game is still good/OK when playing the non-HD remastered version.
Now, the man (I just assumed his gender) has a point , I don't know which version he played but the HD remaster i completed a couple of months ago, control-wise was...bad, you see, the good guys at Capcom tried to translate the digital controls of yore to analogue ones and the results are not good since - with the analogue stick for aiming - you're confined to a square -like box when shooting/aiming, meaning, it doesn't feel smooth at all - something which wasn't present in the GC and PS2 versions.
As for the "comedy" the game presents you with...it may be endearing but I also felt that it got silly after a certain while, the village/church/lake portions have always been God-like from an atmospheric point of view but the castle drags on for too long as does the island bit, everything in-between is good though.
In short, mechanically-wise the game is still good/OK when playing the non-HD remastered version.
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Oddvintagechap
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I haven’t played the original. I can play them. To be the TRUE test if it hasn’t aged well.
Edit: Damn. I should proof read a little before I post things. Damn even in this edit I typed random words or missed some.
Edit: Damn. I should proof read a little before I post things. Damn even in this edit I typed random words or missed some.
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digital_ghost
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Barakov
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Rykan
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Your takes on this game are insane.
You're complaining about framerate, stick aiming and AI on what was originally a third person shooter for the Gamecube.
Resident Evil 4 controls the way it does because the entire game is build around those controls. Resident Evil 4 is not a Run & Gun shooter. It's a third person shooter that prioritizes precision, crowd management and decision-making.
The game encourages you to be precise with your shots not just to converse ammo, but because precise shots at certain parts of the enemy allow you to follow it up with a context sensitive melee attack that is there to give you more space.
That's why you can shoot projectiles out of the sky or remove weapons carried by enemies with most firearms. If enemies swam you or close in on you, you're asked to make the decision if you want to create more space yourself by standing and aiming precisely (or use an item like any of the grenade types to create more space) or if you want to run away to reposition yourself because you can't do both.
Deciding where to shoot enemies and which enemy to shoot at in a crowd is as important as selecting the right weapon for the situation. Adding "moving and aiming simultaneously" to that significantly diminishes that experience.
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The artful mincer
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You should play both the remake and the original and say which is better!
Codiox
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Resi 4 was OK, but I still don't like it much.
Was always a fan of the original ones.
I also don't like 7 and 8, for me they are just two first person horror games that have nothing to do with resident evil. They just put the name on it for sales. Oh and if we go by resi 8, the last couple hours, we will get resi 9 as a full blown call of duty zombie game.
Was always a fan of the original ones.
I also don't like 7 and 8, for me they are just two first person horror games that have nothing to do with resident evil. They just put the name on it for sales. Oh and if we go by resi 8, the last couple hours, we will get resi 9 as a full blown call of duty zombie game.
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Oddvintagechap
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It’s very doubtful the remake wouldn’t be better by default. Then again, it’s possible … since I think I love the original Shadow of the Colossus way more than the remake.
But why cant RE4 play like Doom Eternal I like that. Also why Lion cant double jump and triple air dash? that just bad gam design"man I hate how the character movement is perfectly designed to work well with the AI behavior and leveldesign! And I especially hate that it doesn't play exactly like every other shooter!"
why are there so many casuals on this forum
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Eddie-Griffin
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Which is bizarre because there are more strategic shooters that still allow you to move and shoot, so instead of saying it diminishes the experience, it's probably better to admit the devs didn't think of it or made an excuse. Capcom didn't have many full 3D games leading up to RE4 after all (in terms of a direct tps camera not like earlier DMC games. Two years before RE4, one of their more ambitious attempts was X7. There were clearly some growing pains.
Yeah. I noticed that seems to be the direction the series is going in. Which is the direction Horror games had been trending in for awhile now.
To me there will never be an experience like the first time I booted up the original Resident Evil. The controls sucked but in a good way. It made navigating the mansion super tense and added to the atmosphere. The only other Resident Evil game that came close to those vibes was Code Veronica.
2 and 3 were great but the city locale just ruined the vibe a bit.
4 was good. 5 and 6 were blah and 7 and 8 were a big improvement... still I miss that original flavor!
2 and 3 were great but the city locale just ruined the vibe a bit.
4 was good. 5 and 6 were blah and 7 and 8 were a big improvement... still I miss that original flavor!
rodrigolfp
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Make enemies faster. Simple as that. RE2R, RE3R and RE4R are all like this. Do you think those games have diminished experiences?
rodrigolfp
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Why Capcom didn't make RE6, RE2R, RE3R, RE4R with the same controls as RE4? I bet it's because even themselves think RE4 controls sucks.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/resi...download-no-time-limit.1654009/post-267706229
Right? They were literally noobs in TPS plus coming from tank controls from other RE games before. RE4 controls was the result.
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Because different games by different directors, and to appeal to whiny casuals who kneejerk hate on non cookie cutter game design.
tomato shrub
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I guess alternative game systems with learning curves are only cool in indie games these days, at least for some people.
Either way, bad take - not everything needs to play the same.
Either way, bad take - not everything needs to play the same.
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