davidwhangchoi
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thankfully met Mega at a time when he was putting up for sale a few of his PVM/BVM's. at the time, there was a few postings on my local craigslist but i don't ever see them come around these days.
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Retro AV Club Thread 2: Classic Gaming Done Right!
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cyborgnumberblue
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My point was that it WAS realistic and it isn't now. If you have some sort of hookup selling 14-20 inch PVMs for 20-30 bucks right now, please let me know and I'll even buy you one.
xenoncrash
Member
My PVM-20M4U has a "degauss" button on front. Try that to get rid of the discoloration.
I do... PVMs and other CRTs, just haven't checked in for a long time so no idea what they have stocked atm. Search ended when I got a pristine HD CRT and with all the great condition sets I have now I'm set for years.
I still think it's possible to get cheap-ish (or free?!) pro CRTs if you move away from CL/eBay and pick up the phone to call places (studios, news stations, hospitals).
That doesn't work if he's having problems with purity and convergence.
By any chance, do you have any widescreen CRTs?
Nope. Never seen one IRL either. Best I got is a attachable bezel for my 17" HD JVC that converts it to 16:9 aspect ratio.
Sony BVM-D24E1WU is the gold standard to get and it's rare, expensive and heavy.
I saw one in the flesh once in the Village but the guy wanted $300 for it. I didn't bite but I should have. I tried talking him down to $150 but he knew what he had. This was during a period where PVMs routinely went for well under $100 so I thought he was trying to rip me off.
I'll probably never see another one.
You missed out. I would've paid that in a heartbeat, provided it was in good condition. Then again, PVM's - let alone BVM's - are so much rarer here in Finland anyway.
I got a couple PGMs (big gorgeous VGA versions and 29") years ago for relatively cheap. One I picked up in Munich at Fudoh's place and another brand new one be from a guy in San Diego who picked it up from a school auction and did not know what to do with it. Both about $150 each. Retro folks don't really seem to be looking for PGMs but they are amazing since they are so big and handle VGA (DC, 360, Atomiswave, etc).
^Besides scarcity, lack of 15khz support would be the reason for little interest in the PGMs. Useless for a big chunk of retro gaming!
Peltz, I'd say you messed up but truth is I balked at anyone trying to sell a 20" BVM at more than a few hundred not long ago. None of us would have known it would get so dire that they now go for $600 and up, sometimes over $1000 if they're the bigger screens or have HD.
Peltz, I'd say you messed up but truth is I balked at anyone trying to sell a 20" BVM at more than a few hundred not long ago. None of us would have known it would get so dire that they now go for $600 and up, sometimes over $1000 if they're the bigger screens or have HD.
Kawika
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I wouldn't beat myself up over the PVM/BVM hunt. I have a 13" pvm that I actually like better than my bvm. I use it for my unmodified consoles a lot. My normal set up is a 19" BVM that also outputs​ to my 4K TV. I'd like to say I use my bvm more than my 4K but that isn't true. Simply comes down to comfort and ease of use. Like owning a boat, some people think it's worth it, but most find them highly unpractical.
My kids seem to be the only people I know who have any interest in the huge ugly noisy box that uses way too much energy. They are still young, they'll learn eventually.
That said, I'm still excited to get my ossc and I'm going to sell my original Analogue NT to get a Mini. Playing old games w/ fake scanlines is good enough to not deal with sitting a foot or two from a 13-19 display.
My kids seem to be the only people I know who have any interest in the huge ugly noisy box that uses way too much energy. They are still young, they'll learn eventually.
That said, I'm still excited to get my ossc and I'm going to sell my original Analogue NT to get a Mini. Playing old games w/ fake scanlines is good enough to not deal with sitting a foot or two from a 13-19 display.
socksfelloff
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All this CRT talk is relevant to my current problem. I'm in the process of staging my house to sell and I've had to move all my CRTs into storage. This is the exact moment I regret going the CRT route... Almost. Here's what I just moved in CRTs alone.
Sony 27fs120
Sony 32fv310
Sony 20fs100
Sony bvm 1911
Sony pvm20xx
Sony pvm1351q (2)
Nec 22" vga crt
Samsung 19" vga crt
Samsung 17" vga crt
Sony 27fs120
Sony 32fv310
Sony 20fs100
Sony bvm 1911
Sony pvm20xx
Sony pvm1351q (2)
Nec 22" vga crt
Samsung 19" vga crt
Samsung 17" vga crt
My wife and I recently bought a house, so finally I have room to setup my PVM that's been sitting in storage almost exclusively since I picked it up. I'm excited to have a dedicated gaming space. I sold my beautiful Naomi Universal cabinet back in the fall, with the understanding that I wouldn't have anywhere to use it, so it would also be sitting in storage for the foreseeable future.
If only I would've held on to it a few months longer...
If only I would've held on to it a few months longer...
That's a lot of heavy CRTs to have to move around. I say keep a couple of the monitors around 20", a few smaller ones and see if anyone wants the rest before you scrap them. My setup includes:
Sony BVM-20F1U
Sony PVM-14L2
JVC DT-V1710CG
JVC TM-H150CG
JVC TM-A130SU
I also have these three CRTs which anyone can have if they're in the area:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=210873537&postcount=17511
socksfelloff
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I skipped my squat workout that's for sure!
I have an ossc coming which I hoped would push me towards the scaler/flatscreen route but at the same time I was offered a great deal on a home with a basement big enough to build my dream game/arcade setup so now I need to keep them!
Yep. Same here.
I use them for very specific gaming needs...namely 360 shmups. Dedicated for those and they rotate symmetrically. Look gorgeous. I don't think I've ever seen another ganeroom that has one as part of the setup.
I'm thinking I may just sell my PVM 13".
The audible 15Khz hum is the main deterrent. I will ship within Canada if anyone is interested/doesn't think they're sensitive to that noise and wants a PVM.
I'm looking to finally pull the trigger on a Framemeister through Solaris Japan.. Any of you folks have any experience with scaling to 4K on this thing?
The audible 15Khz hum is the main deterrent. I will ship within Canada if anyone is interested/doesn't think they're sensitive to that noise and wants a PVM.
I'm looking to finally pull the trigger on a Framemeister through Solaris Japan.. Any of you folks have any experience with scaling to 4K on this thing?
Barrel Cannon
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Are you in or around toronto. I can meet in person if that's the case. I was supposed to get a small screen from a friend but thay hasn't happened yet so my search begins again.
I'm in Saskatchewan so unfortunately that's a bit of a drive
If you wanted to PM me then by all means. When I do ship stuff I usually calculate shipping via Canada Post shipping calculator. Understandable if you wanted to see it in action beforehand though. I could always send pics/vids if you like.
Barrel Cannon
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I'm in Saskatchewan so unfortunately that's a bit of a drive
If you wanted to PM me then by all means. When I do ship stuff I usually calculate shipping via Canada Post shipping calculator. Understandable if you wanted to see it in action beforehand though. I could always send pics/vids if you like.
I shall pass. Shipping is usually killer on CRTs. On a side note I do plan on driving through all the way west one day/(a bucket list item of mine is to go to each province and territory in Canada)
Just wondering... Any of you retro-AV people - switching from CRTs to digital, thanks to devices such as the Framemeister and the OSSC - also switched from classic analog scanline goodness to pure, 100% unfiltered pixels/IQ?
Last night I was having some fun with my OSSC and LineX5 mode and... I don't know, for the first time, I felt genuinely pleased while looking at my Mega Drive's and Saturn's RGB output, with no post-processing at all. I always thought it would've horrified me, giving me nothing but sterile emulators' vibe... So, I'm only being curious here. Any of you plays their retro stuff like that, on a regular basis?
Last night I was having some fun with my OSSC and LineX5 mode and... I don't know, for the first time, I felt genuinely pleased while looking at my Mega Drive's and Saturn's RGB output, with no post-processing at all. I always thought it would've horrified me, giving me nothing but sterile emulators' vibe... So, I'm only being curious here. Any of you plays their retro stuff like that, on a regular basis?
cyborgnumberblue
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It's weird, I have scanlines dialed in pretty heavy on my gf's AVS, which is hooked to my main TV, but on the LCD I'm using for the OSSC, I have them at like 20 percent or so just to fake out some sharpness. When I first got it, i was in the 80 percent range but it darkens the picture so much that it's hardly worth it. Plus it looks pretty weird, nowhere near what CRTs appear with real scanlines.
Another oddity, when I did have my OSSC outputting to my main TV, the horizontal scanlines looked like absolute garbage. However, the vertical ones helped give it a pretty good look, strangely enough. Something about the vertical vs horizontal res, I guess.
I don't know if its a residual effect of modern games utilizing "retro"-inspired art direction, but I have been using my OSSC with my Saturn in LINEX3 without scanlines as of late (specifically when playing SOTN) and it looks very, very good! When playing stuff like NBA JAM, and some 3D polygonal games, I find myself using scanlines as sort of a poor man's AA.
vMagix
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I switched from a 29inch Trinitron (decent consumer model - UK/RGB SCART) and a 20L2 to a 32inch Samsung flatscreen with an OSSC.
Don't regret it at all. With Scanlines at 12-18% it looks good enough, and my TV has approx 10ms of lag.
Save space, get to run the Switch through it as well... All golden.
Yeah as much as I love CRTs and my PVM, the big issue is screen size for me. I just don't love being three feet away from my TV at all times. I moved my setup to my 42" Panasonic Plasma via FRAMEMEISTER and haven't looked back.
sixteen-bit
Member
I'm a CRT lifer.
Barrel Cannon
Member
Will probably eventually get an OSSC or something similar way down the line but I will always keep a CRT or two(at least 1 for sure). The Nostalgia and just the stupidly insane response time will make it deserve some space in my setup.
Yeah, I'm liking the OSSC, advent of FPGA systems... and I'll probably fall in love with how games look on my future 20ms~ OLED... but I see myself keeping at least a couple of CRTs for as long as possible. There's nothing quite like it yet.
Whats your capture hardware / software like?
It's simple: USB3HDCAP externally connected to my living room PC. I unplug my system from my AV receiver and into the nearby capture box and fire up the software on the PC for a few screenshots. I would never play on it normally. Adds too much lag on top of what I already get from my display.
I have an OSSC on the way and I'm very excited for it - I anticipate using it with old systems for a long time. I also plan on keeping at least one CRT for as long as it holds up - zero lag is great and original hardware on high-end gear that was contemporary during the original lifespan is interesting to me. We also always mention space regarding CRTs but man I love the aesthetic of a Sony PVM (or Olympus, as mine are branded) - the cube-like shape makes it an interesting piece of furniture. Looks great with vintage audio gear.
polyh3dron
Banned
Yeah I've used the degauss function a number of times, didn't do the trick. Guess I'll try the magnet thing?
PumpkinSpice
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Have you been using a CRT for a while or did you decide to go for one due to the mode switching slowness of the FM/OSSC? I remember you were pretty concerned about that for Silent Hill specifically
Can't say I've ever experienced a dust storm. Sounds a lot better than an ice storm.
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BTW I'm considering getting a new framemeister. My old one broke due to being fried. Only problem with my current setup is I can't play my PC Engine Duo R on it at all (composite's too awful to use) and I found that Master System via Genesis has the same problem (I think my TV does not like whatever they're outputting) and also the picture's a bit muddy due to the TV handling the scaling. It'd also be nice to get something that could scale my PSP go.
Kind of a lot to spend (for a 2nd time) but I mostly don't want to be burned by a new XRGB model coming out in like a year as Micomsoft has hinted. I can... kinda... live without the PC Engine 'till then... I guess..., I mostly got it when I did because prices keep getting worse in the PCE scene. But it's a bummer to have it sitting there, all set up ready to go now even with an Arcade Card Duo and not ever using it.
I saved for it only to have it go out of stock and get expensive as all get out. so I said fuck it and spent my money on gaming consoles.
Middle Eastern, I just love how the world goes Warm 2 when a dust storm passes by lol.
FTFY
lilralphie
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Apart from the Ataris, which are finishing the RGB mods, I've got my setup up and running. =)
Bigger version:
http://i.imgur.com/t9L3IXZ.png
Bigger version:
http://i.imgur.com/t9L3IXZ.png
lilralphie
Member
This is a little old but gives an idea. The turboduo, 2600, Xbone and Nintendo Switch aren't in there and the model 1 snes is subbing in for my RGB-modded snes mini.
It looks like things are not hooked up, but everything is. Hundreds of velcro ties. Hundreds. Awesome to play all the retro stuff on both sets (can be simultaneous) without swapping any cords.
Bigger:
http://i.imgur.com/uyfAJ0p.jpg
davidwhangchoi
Member
This is a little old but gives an idea. The turboduo, 2600, Xbone and Nintendo Switch aren't in there and the model 1 snes is subbing in for my RGB-modded snes mini.
It looks like things are not hooked up, but everything is. Hundreds of velcro ties. Hundreds. Awesome to play all the retro stuff on both sets (can be simultaneous) without swapping any cords.
Bigger:
http://i.imgur.com/uyfAJ0p.jpg
that's beautiful
lilralphie
Member
With 30 systems hooked up (or more if you count things like jaguar and jag cd separately), I had to do a wiring diagram or I was getting confused. It's been nice to have since the setup has required a lot of revisions to get everything working how I want it.
Triforce141
Member
This is a little old but gives an idea. The turboduo, 2600, Xbone and Nintendo Switch aren't in there and the model 1 snes is subbing in for my RGB-modded snes mini.
It looks like things are not hooked up, but everything is. Hundreds of velcro ties. Hundreds. Awesome to play all the retro stuff on both sets (can be simultaneous) without swapping any cords.
Bigger:
http://i.imgur.com/uyfAJ0p.jpg
What marvel that setup truely is.
lilralphie
Member
Thanks for the feedback everyone! Once I get the ataris and everything done I was thinking of making a video!
Well, good work man - it was worth it! Know that a man you don't know in England, is going to have trouble sleeping tonight due to seething jealousy.
This is a little old but gives an idea. The turboduo, 2600, Xbone and Nintendo Switch aren't in there and the model 1 snes is subbing in for my RGB-modded snes mini.
It looks like things are not hooked up, but everything is. Hundreds of velcro ties. Hundreds. Awesome to play all the retro stuff on both sets (can be simultaneous) without swapping any cords.
Bigger:
http://i.imgur.com/uyfAJ0p.jpg
4 Wave Bird controllers at the ready? RESPECT.
That setup is AMAZING .
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