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Retro AV Club Thread 2: Classic Gaming Done Right!
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CrashPrime
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So is that to say the PS3 and the PSTV have the same input lag as say something like a raspberry pi running a PS1 game? Has anyone actually measured the lag on various emulation based systems?
Could be more. Could be less. It wasn't to say anything about that specifically, than it was to address the the theory that scaling was the sole source of lag.
Kiddy Dong
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Last week I found a 20" Dell D1626HT PC monitor on eBay for $1 while browsing for multiformat PVMs. Local pickup only, but it was in my state and I figured it would be a good size upgrade from the 16" PC monitors I've been hunching over for 480p gaming. I wasn't expecting a massive improvement in image quality, just a bigger size for more comfortable viewing.
I was dead wrong in the best possible way. This monitor. is. AMAZING. I'm legitimately blown away by how good the picture is compared to the other monitors. I would not be surprised at all if this was PVM caliber 480p. This plus the Garo is a match made in heaven.
I find it a bit puzzling that while multiformat PVMs and BVMs are commanding hundreds or even thousands of dollars on eBay, these excellent 480p Trinitron PC monitors are being given away for pennies with no fanfare. If anyone else is looking for a good 480p gaming rig, don't sleep on these Dell monitors.
I was dead wrong in the best possible way. This monitor. is. AMAZING. I'm legitimately blown away by how good the picture is compared to the other monitors. I would not be surprised at all if this was PVM caliber 480p. This plus the Garo is a match made in heaven.
I find it a bit puzzling that while multiformat PVMs and BVMs are commanding hundreds or even thousands of dollars on eBay, these excellent 480p Trinitron PC monitors are being given away for pennies with no fanfare. If anyone else is looking for a good 480p gaming rig, don't sleep on these Dell monitors.
Triforce141
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Kiddy Dong
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Yep, one dollar. The guy selling it had been trying to give it away for weeks to no avail, so as to avoid the $20 recycling fee. The catch was that it was located in the middle of nowhere in central Wisconsin.
Eklipsis
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Found a genesis and a gameboy at a yard sale. Genesis had three games with it but the gameboy didn't have any. Got it all for 30 bucks.
Genesis needs a av cable because I got excited and didn't make sure everything was there. I popped in some batteries into the gameboy and it's got some dead lines in it. Now I'm bummed.
Genesis needs a av cable because I got excited and didn't make sure everything was there. I popped in some batteries into the gameboy and it's got some dead lines in it. Now I'm bummed.
Great pick up! pc CRTs <3 couple it with an OSSC for line doubling and you're good for a fair bit of 240p gaming too. (except for those pesky titles that switch between 240p/480i).
Laevateinn
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Kiddy Dong
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Are you using the latest popstarter build with an internal HDD? That's what I've been using and SotN doesn't seem to have issues. USB HDD on the other hand...That is miserable indeed.
PumpkinSpice
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The pops emulator for PS2 has a long list of issues even with an internal hard drive, so many that it's really not worth bothering with imo.
Just got myself a PVM last week, just a little 14L3, to replace a borrowed 24" Trinitron TV. Since they were both Trinitrons, I wasn't expecting such a huge difference in picture quality, especially through a SCART splitter, but boy oh boy was I wrong. It really is like night and day, especially with Megadrive/Mega CD and Saturn. My SuFami is a modded Model 1, and so has its own issues wrt RGB output, but compared to the old TV, it's sogood.gif at worst. Even the composite output from my Core Grafx shits all over the old TV's horribly fuzzy mess.
I can honestly say that, aside from the Switch and Zelda, and maybe my Persona 5 Take Your Heart Edition, and perhaps my Battle Garrega 2016 Limited Edition (yeah, I'll stop now), this is the best gaming investment I've made so far this year. And it's been a great year for games.
I can honestly say that, aside from the Switch and Zelda, and maybe my Persona 5 Take Your Heart Edition, and perhaps my Battle Garrega 2016 Limited Edition (yeah, I'll stop now), this is the best gaming investment I've made so far this year. And it's been a great year for games.
I don't need a PVM
I don't need a PVM
I don't need a PVM
I don't need another console just for 1 game
I don't need another console just for 1 game
I need that console for that 1 game
I need a PVM
I will be broke
I can't manage another purchase this month
You can manage another purchase this month
Help
I don't need a PVM
I don't need a PVM
I don't need another console just for 1 game
I don't need another console just for 1 game
I need that console for that 1 game
I need a PVM
I will be broke
I can't manage another purchase this month
You can manage another purchase this month
Help
davidwhangchoi
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you need it! buy it now =)
This reasoning...
So familiar, lol
You mean you haven't bought it already?!
PumpkinSpice
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I got all excited about the gscartsw lite. I mean, same thing but costs way less? Sounds great! Like if it's even sub-$100 that would be enough, preferably lower, right?
superg said:
+$35 shipping. So factoring in conversion into CAD it's almost $300. Without getting into customs fees.
Thanks, I'll check those out. I ended up buying cables from Amazon. They only have the SVIDEO no Composite. I will test those out and update. If they don't work. I'll try the ones you guys linked to.
Shin Johnpv
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I got all excited about the gscartsw lite. I mean, same thing but costs way less? Sounds great! Like if it's even sub-$100 that would be enough, preferably lower, right?
+$35 shipping. So factoring in conversion into CAD it's almost $300. Without getting into customs fees.
I do wonder how much it would shave off the cost of the switcher if it wasn't a x2 one, and just had one single scart out.
CharlesDangus
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I picked this exact model from Goodwill a few years ago before I did a deep dive into hi fidelity retro gaming. It has component input which is great. My Sega Genesis using HDRetrovision's component cables looks really good. I've also played Castlevania: Sotn on my PS2 with component cables which also looks great, but it made me notice something about the TV's geometry. With side scrolling 2D games you can see warping in the image when the character moves to the edge of the screen. I know there are some ways to open up CRTs and adjust the geometry but that's way above my pay grade and I'm not looking to get electrocuted. Maybe there's a service menu I'm not aware of where these adjustments can be made but my set didn't come with a remote. But overall it's a great set for 240p/480i content.
CrashPrime
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Pretty top notch for CRT. Keep in mind it is a flat screen CRT which I personally don't like. FS120 or KV300/KV310 are my preference for consumer CRT grails. My 36" FS120 treats me right until I have to move it. I always keep an open eye for the 300/310 to show up locally tho.
sixteen-bit
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I have a similar model (KV-27FS120) and don't have any complaints. I got mine for $20 if it matters maybe you can haggle it down.
socksfelloff
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The FS100/120 will do a great job for retro games. I recently went from a 27FS120 to a 32FV310 and the difference is staggering.
socksfelloff
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I have a 20" BVM but the 310 is basically a 32" bvm!
I enjoy playing retro games with friends and cramming 4 people around a 20" monitor isnt happening!
Good point, I'm gaming by myself so I can't justify screen size for space. I gamed on a 13" for a year or so before lucking into getting a 20" so it still feels like a big upgrade. The geometry is much better as well.
I feel like this is going to be the next big monitor boom honestly. I'm going to pick up a GDM-FW900 in 2 days after I saw it pop up on Craigslist.
What are the specs to look for besides 480p capability? I know nothing of PC monitors pre-flat panel displays.
Honestly the one Im grabbing I intend to use with PC gaming but I will try a Frameister on it once I get an HDFury HDMI > VGA. I know most computer monitors won't work with the retro consoles most of us are talking about without an upscaler / converter for VGA. So I'm not sure what base specs to suggest! Pretty much any of them will look good with VGA stuff like Dreamcast if they aren't broken / busted in some way.
socksfelloff
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LUCKY! To the others wondering, the appeal to the fw900 is its the BVM equivilant of VGA monitors as well as 16:9!
Component - vga is a straight conversion so 480p will look godlike on that monitor!
Kiddy Dong
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Damn dude! That is probably the most well known of all the 31khz+ monitors. Perfect for anything gen 7 or beyond.
Yeah, I wonder if more console gamers will start to catch on to some of the lesser known PC monitors, like the one I picked up. These are Trinitrons after all.
Dot pitch: lower number is generally better.
Tube type: I prefer the Trinitron aperture grill look, found in Sony and many Dell models.
Size: 16" viewable size is extremely common, 20"+ and/or widescreen monitors seem to be much tougher to find.
Customizability: some monitors allow you to extensively tweak color temperature, convergence, etc...And some barely allow any customization at all.
Cabling: some monitors have the VGA cable built into the monitor. Might seem convenient but if the cable frays you might end up with a paperweight. I try to look for ones with the female VGA port on the back as opposed to integrated cable.
Inputs: my D1626HT has BNC ports for RGBHV in addition to VGA. Nice to have options.
Console compatibility: only PC, Xbox 360, and Dreamcast support VGA natively to my knowledge. I use the Garo (component to VGA transcoder) to expand that to OG Xbox, Wii, and GameCube. If you use Nintendont on a homebrewed Wii you can force 480p on tons of gamecube games that didn't support it originally.
Are you me?
sixteen-bit
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I've seen 21" consumer trinitron and wega tvs with component inputs a few times at yard sales and the like. In retrospect I should've grabbed one.
socksfelloff
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There is a 14" and 20" of the fs100 series! I grabbed a 20fs100 for a friend. I calibrated it for him which gave me some time to play around with it and I thought it was a great little TV and it's light as a feather (for a crt)
Is anyone reading about this GCVideoX? Seems to be a plug and play version of GCVideo from what I can tell.
There's not much documentation yet, but Bad Ass Consoles does make an appearance on the Retro RGB show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1AleCk06cU&t=25m25s
There's not much documentation yet, but Bad Ass Consoles does make an appearance on the Retro RGB show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1AleCk06cU&t=25m25s
Found out why he stopped calling it Plug n Play, someone started making these already. Seems to be lesser in quality in terms of the plug, GCVideo X will almost certainly be the nicer finish of the two. And currently theres no way to bring up the GCVideo menu with this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CqTddnBCeY
He doesnt have any in stock, so yeah.
He doesnt have any in stock, so yeah.
This needs to be in stock right away!!!Found out why he stopped calling it Plug n Play, someone started making these already. Seems to be lesser in quality in terms of the plug, GCVideo X will almost certainly be the nicer finish of the two. And currently theres no way to bring up the GCVideo menu with this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CqTddnBCeY
He doesnt have any in stock, so yeah.
PumpkinSpice
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Did he say it would actually support menu?
The digital port does not have a pin that connects to the controller (which GCVideo uses to do controller stuff) so it shouldn't be possible with a fully external model.
In the interview he mentioned either a button on the connector itself or IR sensor that would support a remote as the method for menu support.
polyh3dron
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PVM-20M2U or 20M4U is what you should try and find.
Supports S-Video, Composite (w/BNC Adapter), 240p, RGB and YPbPr via BNC as well.
CaptainSmirnov
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Picking up a Sony KV24FV12, anyone know how it is?
You can't play 240p or 480i on them if I'm not mistaken. That's why they're so cheap. Plus, they came with old computers for free a lot of the time. They're not broadcast tools.
I agree they are great quality though and worth picking up for 480p gaming if possible.
PumpkinSpice
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If you have the NESRGB enabled the NES composite is disabled and the output composite is encoded from RGB inside NESRGB. However if you install a palette switch you can set it up so one of the options is to completely disable NESRGB and have composite from directly from the NES PPU.
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