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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That a newly released console is outselling a 4 year old one? No, we shouldn't be shocked.
But here we are.
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Right now, the PS5 Pro is the best selling console on Amazon
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That a newly released console is outselling a 4 year old one? No, we shouldn't be shocked.
But here we are.
Cakeboxer
Member
That's not twisting of a defnition, that's common sense and you are 100% acting stupid. I think we can stop this here and this point also stands: 0 people who called it dead on arrival meant 0 sales, they meant doing wrse than the PS4 Pro.
clarky
Gold Member
I'm sorry to inform you your son is dead on arrival. I meant he might live to 50, less than his sibling.
Cakeboxer
Member
Now it's getting sad. I wish you a nice Saturday.
RetroGamingUK
Member
That a newly released console is outselling a 4 year old one? No, we shouldn't be shocked.
But here we are.
A 4 year old console should be having its peak (or close to peak) year, not falling off a cliff.
It’s being outsold 4:1 by PS5, so that means by the end of the year Xbox Series will have sold about 5 million consoles this year.
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clarky
Gold Member
Turn it in mate. Thats not what he's saying and you know it.
Anyone with more than 3 braincells would not predict a Sony console would be DOA, litterally.
It just means, and I can speak for everyone I think, it would struggle to shift numbers at that price.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, but it isn't "DOA" even in a hyperbolic sense. No one predicted it would jump frog all the other consoles out of the gate like this. Pro isn't going to maintain that level at its price, but initially the sales are good.
That a newly released console is outselling a 4 year old one? No, we shouldn't be shocked.
But here we are.
That's easy to say now. Who here was making claims that Pro would outsell other consoles in the first few days on Amazon?
poodaddy
Member
I don't know, I'm genuinely surprised that an Xbox gift card is number three on that list.
asdasdasdbb
Member
To me, DOA would be like the PSVR2 where they basically forgot it existed soon after release.
I'm sure Sony's Pro expectations of sales are low but not that bad.
People might not be buying new XBoxes but that doesn't mean they aren't using the ones they have. You know, half of Sony's userbase is still on PS4. There's probally a ton of people playng F2P games on the XBone.
I'm sure Sony's Pro expectations of sales are low but not that bad.
People might not be buying new XBoxes but that doesn't mean they aren't using the ones they have. You know, half of Sony's userbase is still on PS4. There's probally a ton of people playng F2P games on the XBone.
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clarky
Gold Member
True. Its a "new" Playstation. Sony make good quality products and have a large following. Like Apple, just not as big. It is/ was never going to completely tank.
I think that report I posted earlier is about right, slightly less than the 4 pro, but still a success and achieves what it sets out to do.
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XXL
Member
I said this would sell 15M+ LTD. I'm still feeling good about that.
It's time for people to start deleting their YT videos. Lol.
Fahdis
Member
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Its kind of a surprise just based on its priceThat a newly released console is outselling a 4 year old one? No, we shouldn't be shocked.
But here we are.
Total side note I am "guessing" but Xbox HQ is watching very closely how well this machine does indeed sell at its price.
Topher
Identifies as young
I think that is a fair assessment. Without having to price with market share in mind, Sony can utilize a traditional supply/demand pricing strategy.
I said this would sell 15M+ LTD. I'm still feeling good about that.
It's time for people to start deleting their YT videos. Lol.
I think Sony would be very pleased with those numbers.
XXL
Member
Lol. No bets. But you can come back at laugh and me.
I will also add this is based on GTA VI being a substantial upgrade on the Pro, which I'm confident in at this point.
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I'm anticipating the Pro simply being the best console I've ever owned. In some ways, I even wish this was what they launched in the first place. Though price will always clip its wings in terms of volume. I reckon the Pro is going to surprise some with its success.
RetroGamingUK
Member
It’s the most powerful it so it will be.
After this year consisting of AstroBot, Final Fantasy Rebirth and Silent Hill 2 I’m a lot happier with PS5.
Really needs a couple of Naughty Dog games, Devil May Cry 6, Ace Combat 8 and a new WipEout to be up there with PS4 for me though.
They’ll probably get there by 2028.
I hope they understand that PlayStation upped their brand's value in the last few years while Xbox brand has lowered & they shouldn't price themselves by PlayStation lol.
He's saying it's not twisting the definition of DOA though when it clearly is, he's suggesting what it actually means is predicting it selling less than PS4 Pro.
DOA means on arrival it will not sell well at all. Nothing else. On arrival it has sold better than all the consoles though. Any prediction or comparisons you do over its lifetime in units based on price is not the definition of DOA unless you're talking hyperbole. I could have gone and said Steamdeck is DOA. If somebody questions my take when it hits number 1 on steam charts I say what I meant is it will sell less than Switch, DS and Vita due to price and I'd even be right. It's a stupid definition of DOA and initially he didn't even say it was hyperbolic, he jumped in on somebody else who said those predicting dead on arrival were wrong by saying that's not what DOA means. No mention that those who said it might not be using its literal meaning and were in fact hyperbolic and exaggerating.
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RetroGamingUK
Member
For Xbox to compete with PlayStation sales they’d need to drastically lower the console sale price, but they can’t because their software sales are so low now.
This is before you factor that Xbox Series X costs more to make than PS5 despite offering the same performance.
I just see no way out for the Xbox console, it’s no longer a viable business.
clarky
Gold Member
I'd go with that definition.
Its too early to tell, after what 1 day of pre orders where it will end up. Both camps are jumping the gun imo.
Like i said earlier it'll land in the same ball park as the last pro, probably a bit less. I think the 4 Pro did 1.3m in its launch window. Hardly DOA.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Yeah, exactly. Sony, like Apple have enough die hard fans that would pick up any device no matter the level of support or cost. Look at psvr2 etc.It gives an indication of initial sales, that is all.
It's the first factual data point we have.
But yeah let's see if now that it is clearly not doa like people claimed during the reveal, maybe it will bomb later, hopefully
I think the pro will do fine but I do feel it will perform worse than the ps4 pro, which isn't a hard take to have considering its nearly double the cost of entry.
When Switch 2 outsells the PS5 pro, you think we'll get topics like this ?
I think we will but we will have legit spin that it's the new console from Nintendo etc. So not surprising etc.
Zacfoldor
Member
My brothers in Christ, I love you all. There’s no need to be upset. All the PS5 Pro is, is a significant GPU upgrade for PS5. Who wouldn’t want that? I’m sorry the price has excluded you, I know it is disappointing, but there’s no need to ridicule the device. The price is not Sony’s fault. 2 TB cost a lot nowadays. The 2 TB Xbox series X is only $100 cheaper and it doesn’t even have a GPU upgrade at all. It is just a launch Xbox series x. All this shade is unnecessary. The Switch 2 will be $400, will you be upset and disappointed with that price too? Shall we again suffer this plague of disappointment then?
The quality will be remembered long after the price is forgotten. An extra $100 here or there on a device one will use for several years, many hours a day, that directly improves your quality of life, is not a decision most people would live to regret.
It’s like not upgrading to OLED to save $100. What a shame. Over time, the financial stress will ease and more people will see the wisdom in this upgrade.
The quality will be remembered long after the price is forgotten. An extra $100 here or there on a device one will use for several years, many hours a day, that directly improves your quality of life, is not a decision most people would live to regret.
It’s like not upgrading to OLED to save $100. What a shame. Over time, the financial stress will ease and more people will see the wisdom in this upgrade.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't know, who was?
Even PSVR2 sold decently at launch, pretty much all new hardware does. This is a topic to revisit half a year or more later.
clarky
Gold Member
RetroGamingUK
Member
There does seem to be an air of untouchability for these 3 companies in these areas…
Apple - smartphones
Sony - home consoles
Nintendo - handheld consoles
…there aren’t many companies that have that kind of global brand loyalty in the world. McDonald’s, Coca-Cola, Toyota maybe?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I didn't notice the topic title got changed, much more sensible now.
Every console on the market is in decline right now. Some, more than others.
…and this doesn’t make it clear how strange it is that the thread tries to use the Xbox performance to talk up the preorder performance of the PS5 Pro?
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clarky
Gold Member
Nobody is saying that.But the narrative was that it bombed because it
RetroGamingUK
Member
I think PS5’s 2023, 24, 25 will be pretty close in terms of sales, GTA6 giving them by far the biggest software year next year.
Switch’s decline is understandable, but Switch 2 (unless Nintendo pull a Wii U) will be every bit as popular as Switch.
MS will be lucky to sell 5 million consoles this year.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Did PSVR2 sell this well at launch? I don't recall anything but negatives about its sales, but I could be wrong.
MisterXDTV
Member
It's not that strange.
When it was announced, everybody on YouTube and on the whole internet posted angry videos about how nobody was going to buy PS5 Pro because it's too expensive...
Now we find out that a $700 console is the top selling product while Microsoft sells TWO consoles that are MUCH CHEAPER
If price is so important, why Series S is not the top selling product since 2021?
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clarky
Gold Member
Not selling but still outselling every other competition eh. Interesting.
MisterXDTV
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Killer8
Member
There are entire articles talking about it.
There wouldn't be responses like that if nobody was saying that.
Markio128
Member
clarky
Gold Member
Who said that? Or did you just make it up?"Playstation fans are like Apple fans, they buy anything"
Concord sold next to nothing.....
Keep the reasons coming. This is hilarious. Lol.
Oh i thought you meant in the thread, carry on. Sorry.
XXL
Member
"PS5 Pro will run MH Wilds at an unstable 30fps" - Wrong
"PS5 Pro can't do 8K" - Wrong
"PS5 Pro won't sell" - Wrong
"PS5 Pro can't do 4K 120fps on AAA games" - Wrong
"PS5 Pro costs more than an equivalent gaming PC" - Wrong
"PS5 Pro won't improves framerates" - Wrong
"PS5 Pro can't do 4K 60fps and RT with AAA games" - Wrong
"PS5 Pro won't improves Dragon's Dogma's Frame Rate because of the CPU" - Wrong
"PS5 Pro won't run GTA VI at 60fps" - ???
This is the running list of what the PS5 can't do.
If anyone else has anything to add, feel free. Lol.
Topher
Identifies as young
"PS5 Pro will run MH Wilds at an unstable 30fps" - Wrong
"PS5 Pro can't do 8K" - Wrong
"PS5 Pro won't sell" - Wrong
"PS5 Pro can't do 4K 120fps on AAA games" - Wrong
"PS5 Pro costs more than an equivalent gaming PC" - Wrong
"PS5 Pro won't improves framerates" - Wrong
"PS5 Pro can't do 4K 60fps and RT with AAA games" - Wrong
"PS5 Pro won't improves Dragon's Dogma's Frame Rate because of the CPU" - Wrong
"PS5 Pro won't run GTA VI at 60fps" - ???
This is the running list of what the PS5 can't do.
If anyone else has anything to add, feel free. Lol.
"PS5 Pro can't mow your lawn for you"
Dang thing is on a roll so thought I'd sneak that one in......just in case.
Peak year for PS5 hardware was 2023. Unless we see a significant price cut.
Sony themselves have cut the sales outlook for console, and tell investors it’s moved to the latter half of its lifecycle.
GTA6 will sell consoles, but it remains to be seen if it’s enough to offset the impact of a Switch 2 launch.
Yeah, that’s precisely what ‘some more than others’ means.
i thought you were all about talking up consoles that were having a 4th year decline?
MisterXDTV
Member
No pal, "some more than others" suggests that there's actually competition
PS5 is outselling TWO Xbox consoles COMBINED by a landslide....
And it will get worse and worse in the coming months as Sony will finally have a second PS5 model on the market just like Xbox has since November 2020
The worst is yet to come...